02:01:13 #startmeeting 02:01:13 Meeting started Wed May 11 02:01:13 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:01:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 02:01:27 Haere Mai 02:01:40 Welcome to the Community Meeting 02:01:45 #topic Introductions 02:02:03 * wizzyrea is Liz Rea, NEKLS 02:02:06 * druthb is D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions. 02:02:14 Shelley gurney, 02:02:23 Catalyst 02:02:23 Catalyst are funding template refactoring 02:02:30 * jcamins_away = Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions 02:02:59 rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO, USA 02:03:29 * slef = MJ Ray, software.coop member 02:03:57 = mason james, kohaaloha, nz 02:05:19 chris c, on his phone walking 02:05:30 anyone else? 02:05:31 Ditto 02:05:35 be at my desk soon 02:05:44 = Jesse Weaver, occasional koha programmer, lurking 02:05:50 (please watch out for busses and cars) 02:06:40 #topic Roadmap to 3.2 02:06:54 I'm thinking we might have to skip that 02:06:57 I notice that chris_n isn't about 02:07:14 did he appoint a minion? 02:07:38 not that I'm aware of :/ 02:07:51 right we can always come back should he arrive. 02:08:01 #topic Roadmap to 3.0 02:08:10 possiblay the same 02:08:41 hdl sent an email today saying he was going to stop support of 3.0, unless someone else picked it up 02:09:10 and I'm sure we all appreciate the two years he spent as release maintainer - hdl++ 02:09:24 indeed 02:09:27 hdl++ 02:09:38 Hdl++ 02:09:50 hdl++ 02:10:22 I suppose we should formally ask if there is anyone willing to take up RMaint for 3.0? 02:10:22 Are there any objections to formal closure of 3.0? That has been a topic of conversation for some time now. 02:10:25 indeed!, thanx hdl 02:10:37 or adopting formal closure 02:10:55 I would think formal closure if it's not adopted. 02:11:45 we'll see what interest there is 02:11:49 Brooke: i agree 02:11:56 are you interested slef? 02:11:59 but I'll be surprised 02:12:29 so, should we vote to delay formal end-of-life for 3.0 til next meeting, pending a month for people to decide if they want to pick up maintenance? 02:12:39 don't mind. depends what clients will fund 02:12:57 but I'll be surprised 02:12:59 right, back at my desk 02:13:07 ditto 02:13:09 wiz: we've done that for like 2 months now. 02:13:26 fair enough 02:13:29 we've only one lib on 3.0 with no upgrade plan yet 02:13:45 if 3.4 is stable, and 3.2 is old-stable, whats 3.0? ..... very-old-stable? 02:13:56 ancient stable 02:13:57 Irma Birchall - CALYX - Sorry for arriving late 02:14:03 well it's currently without a RMaint, as hdl resigned today ;) 02:14:08 a late irma > no irma :) 02:14:13 so I think that might be it's death knell 02:14:28 okay 02:14:32 here is what I propose 02:14:46 we vote to kill it effective next meeting should no one step up in the interim 02:14:49 is that amenable? 02:14:54 yep 02:14:54 why did hdl resign? Did he feel that it's time had passed, or is he just too busy? 02:15:07 bit of both afaict 02:15:11 ^^ 02:15:14 and i agree 02:15:19 I think the time has come 02:15:40 any objections to a kill as of next meeting? 02:15:48 nope 02:15:53 nope 02:15:55 +1 to kill as of next meeting 02:15:55 none 02:16:02 +1 02:16:09 +1 02:16:15 +1 02:16:52 reading none, motion carries 02:17:11 #action Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot. 02:17:28 #topic Roadmap to 3.4 02:18:21 again no chris_n :/ 02:18:25 oh re 3.2.8 02:18:31 its in string freeze 02:18:37 we should carry a nonsense motion to larn im ;) 02:18:38 will be released on the 15th 02:18:52 oh sweet 02:18:52 nice :) 02:18:53 3.4.1 will go into string freeze then 02:19:00 and released on the 22nd 02:19:12 timed_releases++ 02:19:26 after 3.2.8 depending on if any patches come in, a 3.2.9 and 3.2.10 may follow 02:19:36 * rangi is reading from chris_n's email 02:19:56 3.4.x will be released on the 22nd of every month 02:20:11 up until october, when 3.6.0 will be released 02:20:18 (and barring any security issues) 02:20:27 thats all i know 02:20:33 you can track progress from here 02:20:49 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4 02:22:08 thats all i know :) 02:22:42 lovely, thanks 02:22:54 cool, nice work chris 02:22:54 that's a lot :D 02:23:18 #topic Roadmap to 3.6 02:23:23 chris_n++ #for maintaining 2 versions at once 02:23:30 indeed 02:23:35 chris_n++ 02:23:36 ok, thats on track 02:23:46 http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/ 02:24:25 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.6 02:24:32 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 02:24:38 nothing more to report really 02:24:43 just sign off :) 02:24:54 rangi ++ 02:25:04 rangi++ 02:25:12 rangi++ 02:25:19 rangi++ 02:25:30 rangi++ 02:25:51 rangi++ 02:27:00 #topic KohaCon 2011 02:27:05 not seein kmkale. 02:27:18 nope... 02:27:38 Bueller? 02:28:23 hrm 02:28:30 moving on? 02:28:38 I'm going to go with 02:28:46 there were several sponsorships so far 02:28:49 #idea ask kmkale to email the list with an update 02:28:51 which is fortunate 02:29:01 and there have been a few proposals 02:29:05 which is also fortunate 02:29:05 okay, Brooke. 02:29:14 but no sponsorships from bigger koha users 02:29:21 stay posted over at http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 02:29:22 to 02:29:23 o 02:29:47 #topic KohaCon 2012 02:30:04 exciting. Are we still bullying people? 02:30:17 ? 02:30:48 I prefer "convincing". 02:30:51 we were trying persuade some people south america would be good for 2012 last meeting... 02:31:02 persuade is also a good word 02:31:15 * druthb suggests Lawrence, KS, just to hear wizzyrea scream a little. 02:31:18 yeah, persuasion, that's the ticket. 02:31:24 ! 02:31:27 I support that! 02:31:43 Cheap airfare for me. 02:31:55 i think north is probably due 02:32:02 can we use sparkly red shoes in the logo? 02:32:06 lol 02:32:14 there's no place like home, they tell me 02:32:21 * druthb enjoys making wizzyrea go "!" 02:32:25 pfft Europe'd due before North. 02:32:29 prince edward island... 02:32:29 ^^ 02:32:32 thats what i mean 02:32:33 :p 02:32:35 maybe 2013 ;) 02:32:37 real north 02:32:39 my typing is atrocious, sorry. 02:32:43 not north america 02:32:51 canada? 02:33:06 (is still north america) never mind 02:33:15 but really, there should be no convincing needed, someone should volunteer if they want to 02:33:25 ^^ 02:33:30 tyres might have been kicked 02:33:49 just as there were some Africans kicking tyres >:) 02:33:54 that's some heavy persuasion there, Brooke 02:34:05 * Brooke looks innocent. 02:34:33 magnus_away did say may 2013 as well... 02:34:38 maybe* 02:34:41 well, we thought about it, and nengard's not here to pester us about acting on it 02:34:51 true 02:35:08 oooh there's a thought. I'd only mind if it conflicted with eg 02:35:13 which I think would be a bad idea. 02:35:48 can we call for dates before next meeting? 02:35:50 UK - since their nat archives will be on Koha... 02:36:06 There was some talk at KUDOS last week about having a joing EG and KUDOS con starting in 2013. Most of the enthusiasm came from the two or three folks who attended both... 02:36:12 not to mention we had UK last bid round :D 02:36:28 we did... 02:36:34 what are we hoping to achieve discussing Kohacon 2012 at this stage? 02:36:47 bah it's unethical to go round announcing your clients 02:36:53 a shortlist by the time koha2011 finishes 02:37:13 and it ought give people a wee bit more prep time than they've had in the past. 02:37:22 preferably the next conference venue 02:37:42 Is it time then to call on the e-list for expressions of interest? 02:37:54 yep, let's do that 02:38:00 you'll need a set of dates for that... 02:38:06 otherwise, good idea. 02:38:06 #idea listserv eoi for KohaCon 2012 02:38:18 nah, that's part of the eoi 02:38:22 sponsor decides dates methinks 02:38:25 ^^ 02:38:41 * Space_Librarian nods 02:38:54 look 02:38:56 re dates: we need to look at an international list of library events ... 02:39:10 yeah. 02:39:13 last time, ppl complained about collisions with other events 02:39:35 got that problem in NZ this year 02:40:02 I don't know where to find dates for events in Aus or India... let's get some boundaries 02:40:19 it's always going to collide with something, just hopefully that something is not something that would sap attendance 02:40:48 hope and two quid will buy you a coffee :-/ 02:40:53 the IFLA website has events info 02:41:20 so does ALIA... for international conferences 02:41:42 cool, are there gaps? 02:41:43 ALA mid-June... 02:42:28 (for just a min) 02:42:45 I suggest we ask on the e-list and produce a Doodle survey for the best month 02:42:55 Irma++ 02:42:58 good idea 02:43:09 and the sponsor makes the last decision 02:43:17 Irma: good idea. can you? 02:43:20 sponsor/host 02:43:38 I can slef if you like ... 02:43:47 #idea doodle survey for best month for KohaCon 02:43:48 I like 02:43:52 Brooke? Do you wish me to prepare that? 02:43:54 Irma++ 02:43:57 Do I ever :D 02:44:00 Irma++ 02:44:05 I shall be your minion if necessary. 02:44:14 #action Irma to doodle for best month 02:44:19 Ok then "watch that space" 02:44:20 Irma++ 02:44:39 #action Brooke to provide general minioning 02:45:00 tough act to follow, but does anyone else have any bril ideas on this topic? 02:45:15 pfft, not general minioning, minioning to Irma :P 02:45:28 hehe 02:45:33 hehe 02:46:17 righto 02:46:19 er... will get back to you. 02:46:26 we had a good list last meeting 02:46:27 #topic DB Documentation Management 02:47:00 no nicole 02:47:09 i propose we save this for next meeting 02:47:20 tabled barring objections 02:47:28 +1 to table 02:47:51 +1 to table 02:47:55 +1 to table 02:47:56 +1 02:48:23 right DB Documentation Management may now kiss the bride. 02:48:27 +1 to shelve 02:48:44 #topic Miscellaneous Olde Business. 02:48:49 ;-) 02:48:52 MJ 02:48:56 ba dum cha 02:49:57 nuffin? 02:50:18 not yet, not prepared 02:50:33 * Space_Librarian watches the tumbleweed roll past 02:50:46 k 02:50:53 #topic time of next meeting 02:51:58 this time didn't seem to promote a good turnout 02:52:08 8 hours from now 02:52:14 continue on the 8 hour rotation 02:52:15 ? 02:52:20 yep 02:52:23 yep 02:52:36 14 June? 02:52:38 so 10:00 UTC 02:52:50 and consult the elaborate spreadsheet prepared after last meeting 02:52:58 oh god, do we have to? 02:53:00 :) 02:53:09 spreadsheets make me vomit 02:53:14 i think im allergic 02:53:20 me only if xlsx 02:53:37 all is good guys ... I was just kidding! 02:53:54 phew :) 02:54:01 Real Community are here 02:54:03 ya mean http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Meeting_Starting_Times 02:54:05 ? 02:54:55 10:00 UTC an issue? 02:55:12 yes Brooke but it was to inform us of the past to make the future easier and as fair as possible 02:55:22 a yep 02:55:27 ya, +8h from now 02:55:30 that was a yep to Irma 02:55:41 when? 02:55:51 +8 hours from now is good for me too 02:55:53 it is also nice because it doesn't screw Europe, who was screwed this go. 02:55:53 okay, Brooke. 02:56:01 forget it 02:56:01 wizzyrea: I forgot it 02:56:18 Wasn't it 10:00 UTC last month? 02:56:29 what time would that be for you wizzyrea? 02:56:33 oh maybe we need to go -8 then 02:56:34 5am is early for me, with luck i'd have insomnia ;) 02:56:35 lemme look 02:56:47 * jcamins_away has no objection, just confused 'cause he thought he remembered being up super-early last time. 02:56:50 yes it was 02:56:54 should be -8 02:56:58 6am for us... 02:57:01 so this one should be -8 02:57:05 thats ok 02:57:13 im never asleep past then ;) 02:57:22 1pm in CDT 02:57:27 it'd be nice if ppl would send apologies if they won't be here ;) 02:57:27 good for europe and the US 02:57:36 4am for me then a bike ride ... OK! That works! 02:57:37 * wizzyrea curses daylight savings 02:57:47 * jcamins_away sends his apologies for June's meeting. 02:57:49 do we have a date? 02:58:04 you cant make 1pm jcamins_away ? 02:58:10 rangi: I can't make June. 02:58:13 ahh 02:58:21 I think he'll be away somewhere exotic :) 02:58:27 note it on the wiki page ;-) 02:58:29 jcamins_away: to the wiki is best, when it's there 02:58:34 snap! 02:58:40 Space_librarian Good question! 02:58:46 it'd be 2 for him, he's in eastern ^.^ 02:58:46 i thought so. :) 02:59:05 14 is fine by me 02:59:07 Holdin' it down on the East Siiiiidie. 02:59:24 keepin the middle from blowin awayeeee 02:59:33 yeah boy. 02:59:34 bg's kickin it on the WC 02:59:39 * Brooke is officially punchy. 03:00:08 Brooke++ # see, someone else *does* use the word punchy 03:00:17 :) 03:00:18 so 03:00:28 so 6am on the 15th (NZDST) for moi 03:00:34 14 ok afaict 03:00:53 "A motion to adjourn is always in order." 'specially with the chair-being getting punchy. 03:01:02 can't 03:01:09 jcamins_away: what about snuck and frit? 03:01:12 I am chained to the gavel until we've a proper time and vote. 03:01:15 * druthb is close enough to Brooke to get punched....so.... 03:01:16 ok so 14 June 18:00 UTC 03:01:16 Brooke June 15th? 03:01:26 rangi++ 03:01:35 argh conflicting motions 03:01:36 theres the proper 03:01:37 there it is 03:01:40 14th 03:01:40 vote you scoundrels 03:01:42 traffic copping Rangi first 03:01:50 +1 #rangi 03:01:59 14 june 18:00 UTC 03:02:03 +1 03:02:04 * rangi may have had a couple of beers at lunch 03:02:05 14th June 18:00 UTC +1 03:02:05 +1 03:02:10 he did too 03:02:19 slef: nah, those're Englishisms. ;) 03:02:24 Brooke do you want me to add May and June to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Meeting_Starting_Times ? 03:02:28 doo eet 03:02:37 Irma I'll do eet 03:02:40 move to get back to your regularly scheduled koha bidniz 03:02:42 that's yeoman's woik. 03:02:49 thanks Brooke 03:02:50 k 03:02:50 oh, can we short out wiki email validation things yet? 03:03:00 barring objections 14 June 1800 UTC it is. 03:03:03 no gmcharlt tonight :( 03:03:10 d'oh 03:03:33 fine 03:03:36 Space_Librarian: in what way JOOI? 03:03:44 #action 14 June 1800 UTC Next Meeting 03:03:55 #endmeeting