18:04:15 #startmeeting 18:04:15 Meeting started Tue Jun 14 18:04:15 2011 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:04:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:04:22 I also have them :) 18:04:37 let's start with introductions 18:04:38 OOOOO, huginn has had an upgrade... nice... 18:04:43 #topic introductions 18:04:56 * nengard Nicole C. Engard, Documentation Manager & ByWater Solutions 18:04:58 * wizzyrea Liz Rea, NEKLS (Kansas USA) 18:05:01 * slef MJ Ray, software engineering specialist, software.coop 18:05:01 * magnuse Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (will have to run in an hour) 18:05:09 * cait Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:05:22 Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:05:23 Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany (first time lurker;) 18:05:29 err I'm going to get a kick... why don't we #info these? 18:05:38 then they'd appear in the minutes 18:05:53 #info MJ Ray, software engineering specialist, software.coop 18:05:54 Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy 18:05:56 good idea, slef 18:05:57 #info Liz Rea, NEKLS, KS USA 18:05:58 so you want us to put #info in front of our names? 18:06:02 why not 18:06:03 Ricardo Dias Marques... from Portugal (occasional translator and patch submitter) 18:06:05 like that 18:06:09 #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (will have to run in an hour) 18:06:10 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:06:10 #info Nicole C. Engard, Documentation Manager & ByWater Solutions 18:06:14 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:06:34 #info Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany 18:06:36 one less job to do :) 18:06:40 welcome drojf ;-) 18:06:41 :) 18:06:44 yay 18:06:47 slef++ :) 18:06:50 thx magnuse :) 18:06:55 slef++ 18:07:14 #info Zeno Tajoli, Italy, translation and patch 18:07:15 ok, let's start with the first item on the agenda 18:07:20 #info Waylon, Mandumah.com (arabic digital library archive), based in Saudi Arabia... I am in New Zealand 18:07:24 #info Ricardo Dias Marques... from Portugal (occasional translator and patch submitter) 18:07:40 ready? 18:07:50 #topic Formally Close 3.0? 18:07:58 do it 18:08:09 ok, i think hdl said he will not be able to attend the meeting 18:08:15 yup 18:08:20 Have there been any offers to adopt it? 18:08:26 he's gone on record stating it's his intention to close it 18:08:28 +1 to closing 18:08:29 * magnuse has not seen any 18:08:37 How much work is involved in adopting it? 18:08:53 #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-11-02.01.html "Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot" 18:09:06 Waylon: I think another release only makes sense if you have people writing bug fixes for it 18:09:07 Waylon: you would want to consult any of the release maintainers 18:09:27 Waylon: I would say ONLY to offer to fix / accept fixes for any outstanding bug that gets reported. 18:09:41 Waylon: depends how many bugs are reported against it, but I think a minimum would be backporting the security fixes from late 3.2 18:09:45 and we currently do 3.2.x and 3.4.x bugfix releases 18:10:27 slef++ 18:10:32 hello, sorry to be late, i've problems with my internet access 18:10:33 Waylon: difficulty/risk of having to rewrite things yourself would increase as current development gets further away 18:10:45 paul_p: welcome. Sorry to hear that. 18:10:46 Jane Wagner Liblime/PTFS (chiming in a bit late) 18:11:01 * paul_p Paul Poulain, BibLibre 18:11:16 Welcome Paul... Jane 18:11:26 the digital library archive im working for, has used it as the base.. so i am quite familar with at least the auth, search, branches and member modules and scripts. 18:11:38 paul_p: add #info in front of your information 18:11:43 but.. yeah.. sounds like alot of work for a dead parrot. 18:11:50 #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre 18:12:23 Galen Charlton, Equinox 18:12:31 ok, so how can we proceed on this? 18:12:43 I admit I'm still running a 3.0.x installation. That's the problem of having many other non-Koha related tasks where I work (few time to test / do an upgrade) 18:12:45 Colin Campbell, PTFS Europr 18:12:52 gmcharlt: add #info in front of your information for autominutes 18:12:57 #info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Library of Joensuu, Open Library 2013 18:13:03 Waylon: do you need to fix security/serious bugs anyway? If so, it would be a great give-back to share 18:13:06 #info Galen Charlton, Equinox 18:13:07 I formally propose to close version 3.0, until such time as it has an adoptive RMaint 18:13:15 +1 18:13:23 +1 18:13:26 Colin, jwagner: can you please do the #info too? for the minutes 18:13:30 the last minutes said "Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot." there is no new RM so it's dead 18:13:32 #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe 18:13:33 Waylon: but planning an escape to 3.2 or 3.4 would be my advice. 18:13:47 wizzyrea: +1 18:13:56 magnuse: +1 18:14:28 so it's dead unless someone steps forwards to propose themselves in a future meeting 18:14:29 ok. so let's have a last vote - vote +1 for closing 3.0 18:14:32 +1 18:14:34 slef: agreed. as it is, im not up to date on security fixes and bugs and such. the git tree's been sawn in half and burned. 18:14:38 +1 18:14:38 +1 18:14:39 +1 18:14:40 +1 18:14:41 +1 18:14:42 +1 18:14:42 +1 18:14:45 I'd say "+1" (but I would like to have some link with some text to invite future Release Maintainers) 18:14:55 +1 18:15:00 ricmarques: that's easy enough. 18:15:01 (we still have a few libraries running 3.0, but plan to move them to 3.4 asap) 18:15:13 ricmarques: I think there was one 18:15:14 ricmarques++ 18:15:19 #info Vote is to formally close 3.0 18:15:23 thd: thanks :) 18:15:46 #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-May/035542.html 18:15:55 "If anyone is interested in taking that action, please step in onlist and ask for access" 18:15:57 thx slef 18:15:58 #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 18:16:01 This vote could never stop anyone from volunteering 18:16:16 safe to say no naysayers, vote carries? 18:16:26 move on cait! ;-) 18:16:28 ok 18:16:38 #info proposal to close 3.0 passed with no naysayers 18:16:40 #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.2 18:16:45 chris_n: ping 18:17:08 wizzyrea: Yep...The text that hdl put seems in the Link slef put looks great to me ("If anyone is interested in taking that action, please step in onlist and ask for access.") 18:17:08 as chris_n seems not to be around, can someone else say something about this? 18:17:46 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.2#Release 18:17:48 ok, I think there was a message on the translator's list 18:18:15 there is some translation work to do and a release can be postponed if necessary 18:18:16 Looking at that, I think there are 2 blockers still needing attention 18:18:21 does someone have the link to the mail perhaps? 18:18:29 In fact the last commit of 3.2 was done for a marc21 fix 18:18:37 bug 3624 18:18:37 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3624 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Basket group delivery place 18:18:48 bug 5449 18:18:48 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x 18:19:18 I sponsor the bug Bug 3013 18:19:18 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3013 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, RESOLVED FIXED, Value builder for 006 and 008 need choices for all format types 18:19:45 is a feature of Amicus, not present in Koha 18:20:01 #link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-3-2-8-is-now-available-td4398256.html 18:20:04 cait: do you mean http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-translate/2011-June/001584.html ? 18:20:25 The biggest italina Koha user is an ex-Amicus 18:20:27 hm no, it's ok 18:20:49 there was an announcement in the 3.2.8 release notes 18:20:57 But I have done the new translation, as I know 18:20:58 "Important announcement concerning 3.2.cx EOL 18:21:02 " 18:21:09 at the link I pasted above 18:21:17 #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-translate/2011-June/001605.html 18:21:31 #link http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-8/ 18:21:32 ok 18:21:50 #info "After 3.2.10 or 04/15/2011, a motion will be made at the August 2011 general IRC meeting to officially announce EOL" 18:22:34 Already near killing 3.2.x?! Gee... You move fast. 18:22:35 was repeated in 18:22:42 #link http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-9/#more-2321 18:23:02 ricmarques: a motion. We can persist if enough people want it. 18:23:22 ricmarques: given the changes to templates, maybe there will be some libraries willing to fund life-support for 3.2? 18:23:30 ricmarques: with new versions coming every 6 mo, there seems little reason to keep a lot of back versions 18:23:35 wow. We just killed 3.0.. now we're killing 3.2? 18:23:42 in AUGUST. 18:23:58 Waylon, nope, we PLAN to "kill" 3.2 in AUGUST 18:24:16 no, we PLAN to PLAN killing 3.2 in AUGUST :) 18:24:23 slef: LOL! 18:24:26 slef lol 18:24:33 ok, want to #info something? 18:24:38 but that bureucracy 18:24:48 I admit I'm more of a fan of ... err... "longer-lived" releases 18:24:49 #info the plan is to plan to talk about possibly EOL'ing 3.2 in AUGUST. 18:24:50 cait, plan to plan is a good info I think ;-) 18:24:56 yep 18:24:59 ok. let's move on 18:25:01 wizzyrea: :P 18:25:02 #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.4 18:25:07 Close, and depreciate the RM for 3.2, or just cease active work on it? 18:25:08 slef ;) 18:25:24 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4 18:25:29 Waylon: to be decided 18:25:33 Waylon: No need to depreciate the RM for 3.2... He's a good fellow! ;-) 18:25:40 Waylon: think about what you would prefer 18:25:43 as usual, if someone volunteer to be RMAint for 3.2, then no end 18:25:44 should there be a volunteer to rmaint, I imagine it could be managed 18:26:14 rangi: ping 18:26:33 #info As with 3.0, if there is a volunteer to take over RMaint for 3.2, that release can live on. Even so, that discussion will happen in August 2011. 18:26:49 cait: I'm guessing rangi is still sleeping? Current time in NZ? 18:26:51 hello 18:26:56 ah 18:26:58 My mistake! :) 18:26:58 there he is 18:26:59 about 6:30.. 18:27:00 nope 18:27:05 cait are you back? 18:27:17 hi meeting started? 18:27:25 yes 18:27:32 can you say something about 3.4? 18:27:36 ajmalkhan: hi yes. See http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-14-18.04.log.txt 18:27:57 wanna do the topic thing? 18:28:05 or not bothering with that ? 18:28:06 she already ddi 18:28:07 did 18:28:25 how to copy this link in this applet 18:28:25 for 3.4 - but we can move on to 3.6 18:28:41 ahh, yeah 3.4 is chris_n 18:28:55 ok, let's talk about 3.6 zhrn 18:28:57 then.. 18:29:02 #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6 18:29:38 its in progress, 18:29:47 #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/ 18:29:48 you can track the progress at http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/ 18:29:49 sorry for late checkin - rhcl = Greg Lawson @ Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 18:29:51 Tomas Cohen, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 18:30:03 #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl 18:30:31 Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager (sorry I'm late, I'm on a bus) 18:30:53 late comers, plz use #info - thx :) 18:31:11 if you want the raw data for that table 18:31:14 http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl?type=json 18:31:15 Meeting attending... on a bus... incredible what the worlds done. 18:31:33 rangi: what is most helpful for others to do? 18:31:49 #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager (sorry I'm late) 18:31:53 marking bugs resolved and signing others off 18:32:10 Waylon: I'm sure I've done IRC meetings from sat on the sand in Miami Beach :) 18:32:19 #info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 18:32:23 on this topic - we have planned a global sign off day for today/tomorrow june 15th 18:32:35 #info global sign-off day for today/tomorrow june 15th 18:32:48 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15 18:32:52 * paul_p think this global sign-off day is a GREAT idea. 18:33:01 I agree with paul_p 18:33:03 paul_p++ 18:33:16 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Global_sign_off_day,_2011-06-15 18:33:28 oops 18:33:32 ;) 18:33:33 #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba, Argentina 18:33:44 we hope a lot of people will attend... I will once my laptop is talking to me again 18:33:46 I've already told here, and sent a mail to cait&magnus to say that BibLibre just wanted to announce that we will have half a day every 2 weeks where everybody at BibLibre will just work on community things. 18:33:57 we will start in july. 18:34:01 biblibre++ 18:34:02 biblibre++ 18:34:17 paul_p: community or koha-community? 18:34:17 biblibre++ 18:34:26 biblibre++ (I just can't resist jumping on the bandwagon! ;-) 18:34:59 slef, community things, so sign-off or anything usefull for the koha community 18:35:07 paul_p++ I always assume that BibLibre works on community things all day every day :) 18:35:11 (not sure I understand the question in fact) 18:35:16 #info Elliott Davis, University of Texas at Tyler 18:35:17 paul_p: yeah, but I mean just koha or all community projects? 18:35:21 is there a good test data for koha to be tested against, that everyone can use? Would like to, on occasion, bugfix/signoff, but have no full data 18:35:48 Waylon: i think most of us make it up as we go along... 18:35:48 paul_p: More seriously, I applaud that great initiative from BibLibre :) 18:35:52 Waylon++ 18:35:52 Waylon: there are some test data sets linked on the wiki IIRC. I think it's fine to ask for test data if it doesn't fail with that. 18:36:00 Waylon: there are some sample files that can be installed with koha (patrons, item types, etc.), no records and items so far 18:36:36 slef: Your question makes a distinction for the ambiguity but I am assuming the Koha community in the context. 18:36:42 cait & waylon = on git.biblibre.com, there is a repo with a test database we used during april hackfest. feel free to download & use it 18:36:47 Hmm... there needs to be a complete data set, so people don't need to hunt.. 18:36:55 paul_p: unimarc? 18:36:55 unimarc is, like, translated I think 18:36:57 #link http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=summary 18:37:04 forget unimarc 18:37:04 cait: I forgot unimarc 18:37:05 Ah.. there we go, thankouy paul_p. 18:37:11 http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=summary 18:37:17 paul_p++ 18:37:19 cait, I think it's marc21 18:37:19 one of my goals for this release cycle is to get one or more VERY robust sets of test data built, so one can test all sorts of different aspects of the codebase 18:37:38 thd: assumption is the mother, sadly. 18:37:39 mmm... nope, it's unimarc 18:37:45 Waylon: for most thigns you can make up data as you go - create some items and records for the thing you test, sometimes you don't need any of that 18:37:49 sekjal: yay! 18:37:54 sekjal++ 18:38:07 sekjal++ 18:38:21 we'd need at least marc21 and unimarc setups... multiple language support, as well 18:38:48 but we could manage the SQL data in a git repo, so as new database revisions came out, you could use the appropriate data set to match the code you're using 18:39:07 this calls for an #action ;) 18:39:09 #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions 18:39:18 also, making date's relative to the current date, not absolute (so overdues will always be "3 days over", not some specific date) 18:40:22 I'd like to ask on 'Work for 3.6.x' if bug 5166 is worth it or if I should abandon that work 18:40:22 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library 18:40:37 tcohen: its been signed off 18:40:49 so its passed that 18:40:57 its up to qa to check it now 18:41:04 ok, I get it 18:41:20 tcohen: That is important work for many people. 18:41:37 it's on my list to push through QA. 18:41:43 I apologize to everyone; I'm behind on that 18:41:44 Newbie question: Doesn't "Signed-Off" (also) mean "checked by QA"? 18:41:58 thd: its fine, i'm just asking in case something more is needed for it 18:42:08 tcohen: no, passed qa means that 18:42:16 ricmarques: no, they're different steps. 18:42:45 sorry ricmarques :) 18:42:47 http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl 18:43:00 the headings are basically the life of a patch 18:43:02 ricmarques: patch is written, then signed off my someone else, then QA'ed, then pushed (assuming everything works as expected) 18:43:12 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 18:43:13 rangi / sekjal: Thanks... Is there some "git" entry in the Log for the QA? Or is it "just" an additional "Signed-Off"? 18:43:14 (it could go, does not apply, or failed qa as well) 18:43:20 tcohen: Thanks... Reading 18:43:33 ricmarques: bug status changes, and an additional sign off 18:44:03 we can condense those steps for smaller patches... a simple, one-line template change is extremely easy to test, and doesn't need as many eyes on it 18:44:17 rangi: "An additional sign-off"... Right, that's what I was thinking now. Who does that typically now? Sekjal? 18:44:20 sekjal++ 18:44:31 (and rangi does that already, for trivial patches) 18:45:09 #info margo duncan, university of texas at tyler 18:45:38 sekjal: is there an rfc for relative dates proposal? 18:46:29 tcohen: no, I was just proposing to use relative dates in the SQL dataset, instead of absolute ones 18:46:36 ricmarques: yep sekjal is qa manager so thats him, and he is looking at coding guidelines, as well as does it work 18:47:04 rangi: Right. Thanks :) 18:47:11 ok, ready to move on? 18:47:27 I also try to throw as many weirdo, fringe cases at a patch as I can, in the hopes of catching bugs before they're newly introduced 18:48:20 cait: yep, thats all from me for 3.6, keep the patches coming 18:48:28 sekjal: "Fringe cases"? That's cool. I guess we could call the next release of Koha "Olivia Dunham" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fringe_characters#Olivia_Dunham ;-) 18:48:28 next items are KohaCon11 and KohaCon12 18:48:35 == D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater (apologies for the lateness.) 18:48:56 druthb: plz use #info for the minutes :) 18:49:11 #topic KohaCon11 18:49:12 #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater 18:49:43 kmkale is not here, but I have some information I think I can give you about KohaCon11 18:50:11 "it will rock"? ;-) 18:50:15 sekjal: (I'm joking of course... what you said is exactly what a good tester does :) 18:50:16 There are already 128 registered ppl from 19 countries 18:50:22 #info chris cormack, 3.6 RM 18:50:53 There are 8 proposals for speaking so far. 18:51:04 and kmkale still hope to have rangi attending ;-) 18:51:29 nope not gonna happen 18:51:34 ah, to attend a con... missed my chance when it was in NZ. 18:51:34 well, I make at least one proposal soon, so 9 (or 10) in fact 18:51:42 im at 2 other conferences at the same time 18:51:53 :) 18:52:04 rangi: Which two? 18:52:06 Waylon: I suspect it will be back one day. Just need to keep going long enough. 18:52:16 access in canada, then lianza in nz 18:52:18 con going to be streamed live? 18:52:24 rangi, 2 or 3, that's not a problem: if you can be divided in 2, you can be divided in 3 :D 18:52:26 they both overlap slightly with kohacon11 18:52:32 but not each other 18:52:34 (kidding) 18:52:45 #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-June/035775.html 18:52:48 i may try to 'phone' in a presentation though 18:52:58 rangi++ 18:52:58 #info to vote for the time of the next kohacon11 volunteers meeting 18:53:05 rangi: +1 :) 18:53:07 paul_p: LOL 18:53:13 err, that link doesn't work any more for me 18:53:39 ah, delete the . that the archive includes in the link 18:53:39 About the subject of proposed papers, I think we still lack things for complete newbies, like "what is OpenSource", "demo of Koha", "history of Koha" 18:54:01 i could do the history remotely 18:54:04 #info oh and delete the . that the archive includes on the end of the link 18:54:07 depending on the internet 18:54:36 rangi++ if you do the history, i could do the demo itself then. 18:55:07 (I plan to attend, with another person, depending on money...) 18:56:40 my presentation at access kinda overlaps, and i have most of the history written down so it wont be too hard to do 18:57:34 rangi, I think the "10 years in 10 minuts" is definetly a "must show" ! 18:57:46 (well, 11 years in 11 minuts for KohaCon11 ;-) ) 18:57:59 yup, andrew and I can remake it 18:58:11 cool 18:59:07 cait, ? anyone ? anything to add to KohaCon11 ? 18:59:13 not from me 18:59:13 s/to/about/ 18:59:19 moving on? 18:59:45 yeah 18:59:47 #topic KohaCon12 19:00:21 I see there is a link to a doodle poll 19:00:22 cait: sure, move ahead (I'll consider attending a KohaCon if/when it takes place in Portugal ;-) 19:00:45 #link http://doodle.com/n2ikfyxexc3ukb2d 19:01:32 #action Everyone fill out that poll for KohaCon12 timing, please! 19:01:34 4 people have taken the poll, including me 5 seconds ago 19:01:40 #info Doodle poll to decide about dates for KohaCon12 19:01:48 well, I voted, but I think it's up to the organizer to decide. 19:02:11 you don't show, paul_p... 19:02:40 i see him 19:02:41 magnuse, refresh ;) 19:03:13 i'd suggest opening up for proposals so places can put themselves forward, with preferred times 19:03:20 thanks, paul_p ;-) 19:03:30 just like we did for kohacon11 19:03:41 I'd like to mention that many US libraries apply for grant money to attend conferences. That process can take months sometimes, so we need as much lead time as we can possibly get. 19:03:41 proposals on the wiki with date suggestions 19:03:56 nengard: yeah 19:04:17 #link http://doodle.com/mobile/participation.html?pollId=n2ikfyxexc3ukb2d 19:04:28 rhcl, same thing for french libraries, and I think for most countries too 19:04:48 probably 19:05:15 ok, so we want to call for proposals? 19:05:30 from last meeting "IDEA: listserv eoi for KohaCon 2012" 19:05:32 Hmm.. to get my library to pay my way.... 19:05:33 did that happen yet? 19:05:39 i don't think it's too early for proposals 19:05:49 eoi? 19:05:56 eoi is expressions of interest 19:05:56 All information may be helpful but sponsors need to find dates which work for the sponsor's proposal. 19:06:03 thanks, slef 19:06:07 I think ill pick my savings and attend kohacon12 on my own 19:06:07 magnuse: Didn't know that one, as well 19:06:51 ok, should we vote? someone volunteering to start a wiki page / write an email to the list? 19:08:03 ? 19:08:15 slef: Considering the idea of a special listserv for KohaCon ... 19:08:19 I think we will bid again (probably with London or Edinburgh this time) so I don't want to volunteer. 19:08:31 thd: you trolling me? ;-) 19:08:38 A special listserv is too easy to ignore 19:08:47 slef no :) 19:08:47 yeah, i don't want another list to watch 19:08:47 slef++ 19:09:09 oh I thought that just mean "send a call for expressions of interest to the koha list" 19:09:15 s/mean/meant 19:09:16 nengard++ 19:09:19 slef: good to hear that 19:09:21 sorry folks, i gotta run, if noone else volunteers i can try to set the ball rolling 19:09:27 magnuse++ 19:09:42 slef: sorry, I misunderstood. 19:09:49 #action magnuse volunteers to send a mail to the mailing list about proposals for KohaCon12 19:09:56 thd: hard to say. Brooke wrote it and she's not here to clarify. 19:10:42 slef: Getting attention is the problem but still easiest on the koha mailing list. 19:10:59 yeah, I think koha mailing list has most subscribers 19:11:12 easy to miss another new mailing list 19:11:19 s/the/a major/ 19:11:31 cait++ 19:12:17 let's move on, shall we? 19:12:24 yep 19:12:25 #topic DB Documentation management 19:12:39 nengard? 19:12:39 nengard is fast 19:12:44 I am? 19:12:51