02:01:06 <Brooke> #startmeeting 02:01:06 <wahanui> if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 02:01:06 <huginn> Meeting started Wed Aug 8 02:01:06 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:01:06 <huginn> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 02:01:28 <Brooke> #topic Introductions 02:01:29 <wahanui> #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 02:01:41 <Brooke> Welcome, welcome please introduce yourselves with #info 02:01:55 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 02:01:56 <slef> #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Miami 02:02:08 <kathryn> #info 02:02:09 <libsysguy> #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Tyler Tx 02:02:14 <jwagner> #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 02:02:35 <dcook> #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems 02:02:36 <kathryn> #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT, NZ 02:04:36 <mtj> #info mason james - kohaaloha 02:05:39 <Brooke> okie dokie, Chris is at a different meeting. Magnus is sleeping (as I'd hope most Europeans are doing.) 02:05:59 <mtj> hi all 02:06:00 <Brooke> movin' on 02:06:05 <Brooke> #topic announcements 02:06:14 <Irma> #info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia 02:06:34 <Brooke> anyone have any neato nifty keen announcements? 02:08:28 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.6 02:08:28 <slef> not I 02:09:30 <libsysguy> maybe next time ;) 02:10:15 <Brooke> hi cait 02:11:07 <Brooke> anyone want to chime in on 3.6? 02:11:24 <mtj> i've been 'prettiying' chris' koha-dashboard -> http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/ 02:11:46 <mtj> re: neato, nifty, keen 02:12:34 <thd> mtj: That link did not work for me. 02:12:51 <kathryn> nor me 02:12:55 <libsysguy> me either…maybe we ddosed it 02:13:24 <Brooke> I get an it works without the 1 02:13:31 <Brooke> so the test page does XD 02:13:57 <Brooke> so we'll look forward to seeing that soon :D 02:14:15 <kathryn> thanks mtj look forward to prettier kittens :) 02:14:16 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.8 02:14:31 <Brooke> I'm just going to read directly from the agenda 02:14:52 <Brooke> Still plan to release 3.8.4 on schedule, I am picking patches that have passed qa, and that fix bugs, directly into 3.8.x. But leaving them set passed QA so paul can push them to master when he gets back. Please continue signing off and doing QA, especially bug fixes. 02:15:13 <Brooke> for those that do not know 02:15:19 <Brooke> since it's so under the radar 02:15:24 <Brooke> Paul is actually French 02:15:35 * libsysguy gasps 02:15:57 <Brooke> (and there was another Frenchie just like him at WikiMania, and I had to do my best to not swallow my teeth when he used the same introduction XD) 02:16:10 <Brooke> Frenchie national holiday now 02:16:10 <slef> So takes a long holiday:-) 02:16:18 <Brooke> ^ what that guy said 02:16:34 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.10 02:16:48 <Brooke> #info read the RM notes and agenda for progress on 3.8 and 3.10 02:16:50 <slef> and doesn't work from it like us crazy anglos 02:17:39 <Brooke> #topic KohaCon2013 02:17:57 <Brooke> it's in Reno for folks that weren't here last time 02:18:17 <libsysguy> are there still casinos in Reno? 02:18:28 <slef> Anything more known yet? 02:18:50 <Brooke> I just checked the provisional site, and there's naught up there 02:19:01 <thd> Yes, and casinos mean cheap air fare, at least from the US. 02:19:02 <Brooke> and yes as far as I know libsysguy 02:19:03 <slef> Shall I send them am invite to the next irc meeting? 02:19:16 <rangi> back 02:19:18 <Brooke> sure why not 02:19:21 <Brooke> it's supper time there 02:19:24 <Brooke> so perhaps eating 02:19:26 <rangi> #info chris c - late because of another meeting 02:19:39 <slef> Next meeting time ok for them? 02:19:43 <Brooke> yep, read your apology and your agenda note :) 02:19:49 <Brooke> slef: not sure 02:20:00 <slef> he he I'm slow typing on phone here 02:20:35 <Brooke> #info watch http://kohacon2013.wordpress.com/venue/ or wherever else the Reno folks decide to update stuff. 02:20:47 <rangi> actually 02:20:49 <Brooke> I'm not #linking that 02:20:54 <rangi> watch 02:20:57 <Brooke> cause that might not end as their official site 02:21:08 <rangi> http://koha-community.org/kohacon13/ 02:21:15 <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 02:21:20 <rangi> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 02:21:26 <Brooke> hooray 02:21:29 <rangi> #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/ 02:21:55 <mtj> [off] oops, teh correct url was http://dash.kohaaloha.com 02:22:16 <Brooke> sweet! 02:22:20 <Brooke> mtj++ 02:22:23 <rangi> nice! if you push that mason 02:22:33 <Brooke> that is totally going in info :P 02:22:41 <rangi> ill change the logos, and get it running on the actual url 02:22:42 <Brooke> #info new dashboard 02:22:51 <Brooke> #link http://dash.kohaaloha.com/ 02:22:54 <rangi> ack 02:23:15 <rangi> mtj: did you want that linked? 02:23:40 <mtj> pass, either/or is ok :) 02:23:45 <thd> Is there an unlink command? 02:24:29 <thd> ... or merely manual editing of the summary. 02:24:53 <mtj> thd: nope -> http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 02:25:01 <rangi> if mtj doesnt care thats fine, its just that it wont ever update :) 02:25:22 <rangi> but once he commits the code to git, ill merge and get it running on the server that talks to the live db 02:25:50 <Brooke> so things will be prettier soon 02:26:23 <rangi> just need a little koha logo, and change the background to not be twitter :) but it looks awesome 02:26:24 <Brooke> #topic Roles for 3.12 02:26:35 <Brooke> I'm going to assume this is a let's talk about this a little 02:26:44 <Brooke> cause it's the first time in a bit I've seen summat like this 02:27:00 <Brooke> as in "Heads up, 3.12 is a coming!" 02:27:15 <rangi> hmm im sure its been on the mailing list 02:27:20 <BobB> #info Bob Birchall, Calyx - just joining, sorry I'm late 02:27:30 <rangi> and yep, in the newsletter 02:27:41 <rangi> http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-3-issue-7-july-2012/#roles 02:28:09 <rangi> its more a, sign up if you want to do something, or else ill just volunteer you anyway 02:28:24 * Brooke nods. 02:28:25 <libsysguy> Koha draft 02:28:41 <Irma> #info sorry I must run ... Cheers all. 02:28:46 <Brooke> it's just Jared so far, so more thinking, but thinking must turn into doing 02:29:38 <rangi> just one volunteer for RM is fine 02:29:54 <rangi> you have to be a nutjob to want to do it anyway 02:30:20 <thd> However, jcamins should have an actual proposal at some point. 02:30:25 <Brooke> yep, but RM is not the only post 02:30:26 <rangi> he does 02:30:27 <Brooke> *hint hint* 02:30:32 <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 02:30:34 <rangi> did you look? 02:30:36 <mtj> you definitely speak from experience there, chris 02:30:36 <rangi> :) 02:30:57 <slef> Organised is not the only fruit 02:31:01 <thd> oops, wrong link. 02:31:12 <mtj> -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jcamins_Proposal_for_RM-3.12 02:31:21 <slef> Love this predictive text... 02:31:42 <rangi> its a very very good proposal imho 02:31:47 <Brooke> Kiwi wavelength, Bru. 02:32:00 <Brooke> 0200 is psychic! 02:32:19 <thd> It is a fantastic proposal, and much better than his identity page :) 02:33:04 <rangi> we need a rmmaint for 3.10 and maybe 3.6 02:33:05 <Brooke> *cough* meeting chair is vacant *cough* 02:33:14 <rangi> and we need lots and lots more bug wranglers 02:33:18 <rangi> and meeting chair 02:33:21 <rangi> and QAM 02:33:40 <rangi> so spread the word 02:33:45 <rangi> or mtj will be doing all of them 02:33:47 <rangi> :) 02:33:52 <Brooke> will a kitten in fact die if no one adopts 3.6? 02:34:08 <thd> Does wahanui volunteer to chair meetings? 02:34:22 <rangi> nope Brooke 02:34:26 <Brooke> waha would prolly do a better jorb 02:34:38 <slef> I didn't want to code that 02:34:49 <Brooke> anything else about roles for 3.12? 02:35:02 <rangi> normally you get a year out a stable series, but if someone was really attached to 3.6.x 02:35:09 <mtj> hay - now about 2 meeting-chairs - for better timezone coverage? 02:35:14 <rangi> and wanted to continue it for longer than the year, wouldnt hurt 02:35:23 <rangi> mtj: if you can find 2 ... 02:35:26 <BobB> Brooke are you serious about stepping down from meeting chair? 02:35:45 <Brooke> BobB I was serious last time until I was drafted to dictate :P 02:36:01 <BobB> :) 02:36:06 <mtj> no-one wants the 4am meeting-char slot :/ 02:36:53 <Brooke> #topic Miscellaneous 02:37:08 <Brooke> random stuff goes here 02:37:56 <slef> Can't get more random than predictive text 02:38:31 <slef> Except it types that fine:-) 02:38:42 <mtj> i've got some koha+bootstrap stuff that i plan to show-off soon-ish... 02:39:09 <mtj> bootstrap == http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap 02:39:31 <thd> We have overlooked rangi's proposal from the previous meeting. 02:39:54 <rangi> what was that? 02:40:17 <thd> Using a tool such as gerrit. 02:41:02 <thd> rangi: You were not present for the previous meeting so there was no real consideration in your absence. 02:41:03 <rangi> ahh, that came up at kohacon 02:41:33 <rangi> there wasnt a huge amount of enthusiasm 02:42:04 <thd> rangi: Why was enthusiasm lacking? 02:42:07 <rangi> i think itd be something an RM could propose as part of their proposal in the future perhaps 02:42:23 <mtj> hmm, at the meeting perhaps not - but most devs are very keen for gerrit? 02:42:49 * Brooke smells a survey waiting to happen. 02:42:51 <rangi> not at the hackfest nope 02:43:10 <mtj> wow, thats very surprising to me ?! 02:43:11 <rangi> i think a survey without people trying it 02:43:18 <slef> Looked good but up g torm 02:43:39 <rangi> would promote a lot of uniformed decisiosn, ie people really need to see it in action first 02:43:49 <rangi> what slef said 02:43:51 <slef> Maybe a small risk of becoming a popularity contest? 02:44:06 <Brooke> one would hope that folks wouldn't take a survey they didn't know a drop about, or would be screened out XD 02:44:14 <slef> Stuck it and see 02:44:21 <rangi> the RM would have to deal with it on a daily, nay hourly basis, so I really think its their call 02:44:24 <thd> The issue which confused me is the relation between gerrit and mahara. 02:44:24 <slef> Brooke 02:44:31 <rangi> thd: none at all 02:44:34 <rangi> mahara use gerrit 02:44:45 <slef> You know that don't always work 02:44:46 <rangi> its like the relationship between koha and apache 02:45:43 <thd> Koha does not do much without apache or some other webserver. 02:45:43 <rangi> their gerrit is nice and open so its an easy one to look at, to see it in action 02:46:25 <mtj> thd: like the relationship between koha and git? 02:46:36 <rangi> thd: its a tool that the project uses, like we use tools 02:46:40 <rangi> thats it 02:46:46 <mtj> one uses the other.... optionally 02:46:55 <slef> Yeah agree with rangi 02:46:56 <kathryn> oh like me and my cake mixer :D 02:47:03 <slef> Rm call 02:47:07 <rangi> +1 02:47:38 <thd> mahara is a project which happens to use gerrit? 02:47:42 <rangi> gotta go 02:48:07 <mtj> thd, yep - you've got it 02:48:47 <thd> mtj: Thanks for the clarification. I had been trying to find some deeper association which did not exist. 02:49:08 <Brooke> bingo 02:50:00 <mtj> i agree with slef and rangi - the RM makes the call for/against gerrit 02:50:32 <Brooke> movin' on 02:50:56 <Brooke> I assume this will resurface if folks want to pursue it between now and next month, but I expect it might die in a back alley 02:51:13 <Brooke> #topic Time of Next Meeting 02:51:41 <mtj> Brooke: i think gerrit has some champions within Koha... 02:51:49 <Brooke> could be 02:52:03 <Brooke> and hopefully they step up and convince the RM to take it on or no 02:52:21 <mtj> yep, thats the one :) 02:53:19 <mtj> ok, who is the best here at next-meeting math? 02:53:40 <mtj> slef or thd usually :) 02:53:58 <Brooke> so it's 18 UTC I think 02:54:03 <Brooke> unless I'm going the wrong way again 02:54:16 <Brooke> which is quite possible with 3 hours of exercise and this hour of night XD 02:54:21 <slef> I van never remember which easy it goes 02:54:32 <jwagner> next one should be 18 02:54:49 <slef> Cool 02:55:54 <mtj> so, 18 utc, in one month, on sept 8th ? 02:55:55 * thd is uncertain which way the clock is turning. 02:56:42 <jwagner> Should be Sept 5, if we're sticking to Wednesday 02:56:46 <Brooke> I've the 8th as a Sat 02:57:17 <mtj> oops, ok ... sept 5th , 18 UTC it is then :) 02:57:32 <slef> Cool 02:57:51 <mtj> cheers #koha 02:57:59 <Brooke> proposal is 5 Sep 18 UTC 02:58:02 <Brooke> +1 if that works 02:58:05 <libsysguy> +1 02:58:17 <thd> +1 02:58:38 <mtj> +1 02:59:08 <jwagner> +1 02:59:23 <slef> +1 03:00:05 <Brooke> clearly your silence is a sign of assent 03:00:17 <Brooke> #info next meeting is 5 Sep 18 UTC 03:00:20 <Brooke> #endmeeting