02:02:40 #startmeeting General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013 02:02:40 Meeting started Wed Nov 6 02:02:40 2013 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:02:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 02:02:40 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013' 02:02:56 #info Agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_6_November_2013 02:03:01 #topic Introductions 02:03:02 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 02:03:12 Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 02:03:19 #info gmcharlt = Galen Charton, Equinox Software, Inc. 02:03:21 sorry 02:03:23 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 02:03:30 #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina 02:03:33 #info Ed Veal w/ ByWater Solutions 02:03:34 #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 02:03:38 #info rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 02:03:45 #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 02:03:45 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 02:04:06 #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek Library System MN USA 02:04:55 #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 02:05:17 #info, Mason James, NZ 02:06:58 ok - latecomers can continue to introduce themselves 02:07:03 #topic Announcement 02:07:07 #info clintD 02:07:18 #info 3.14 beta is out; folks are encouraged to test 02:07:23 any other announcements? 02:07:24 #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 02:08:26 going once 02:08:37 going twice 02:08:58 #topic Update on Koha 3.8 02:09:10 #info Koha 3.8.19 was released on 29 October 2013 02:09:40 clrh_: around? any further update? 02:09:49 #info there is a volunteer to continue as RMaint for 3.8 02:09:50 cjh: ? 02:10:05 cait++ # oops 02:10:47 BobB_: not officially, yet. Paul A. has discussed doing so on koha-devel but has not to date put his name on the wiki 02:10:50 cait: I am not yet sure if I will continue on as rmaint. 02:11:06 ok 02:11:51 OK, moving on 02:11:55 #topic Update on 3.10 02:12:03 All well on 3.10, no news. Last release a litle bit late, waiting for 3.12 02:12:24 bgkriegel++ 02:12:35 charging forward 02:12:38 #topic Update on 3.12 02:13:01 #info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society 02:13:27 #info 3.12.6 released on 28 October 2013 02:13:34 I don't see tcohen here, so moving on 02:13:38 #topic Update on 3.14 02:13:54 #info 3.14 beta is available for testing 02:14:07 gmcharlt++ 02:14:28 gmcharlt++ 02:14:29 #action All the people will test the beta 02:14:57 #agreed 02:15:10 #info gmcharlt will branch 3.14.x later this week, thereby allowing enhancements to continue to go into master 02:15:19 any questions for me? 02:15:38 no more string changes? 02:16:03 bgkriegel: no more string changes for 3.14.x, correct 02:16:10 ok then 02:16:21 good morning #koha 02:16:36 bgkriegel: will there be any problem for you to switch branches from master to 3.14.x for Pootle? 02:17:00 not at all 02:17:07 great 02:17:16 bgkriegel++ :) 02:17:25 #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late 02:18:05 ok, moving on 02:18:28 #topic Elections for 3.16 02:18:40 #info List of roles and candidates proposed for 3.16 is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16 02:19:25 OK, so, I guess let's do this 02:19:32 I'll start from the bottom of the page up 02:19:56 so, Chad Roseburg has volunteered to be Newletter Editor, and Joanne Dillon has volunteered to assist 02:20:25 floor is open: please indicate your position with +1, 0, or -1 02:20:30 +1 02:20:33 +1 02:20:35 +1 02:20:36 +1 02:20:38 +1 02:20:39 +1 02:20:44 0 02:20:47 +1 02:20:47 +1 02:20:49 +1 02:20:50 +1 02:20:51 +1 02:21:01 +1 02:21:21 #agreed Chad Roseburg is elected Newsletter Editor, with Joanne Dillon assisting 02:21:26 next up 02:21:41 Samuell Dasseaux has volunteered to be a meeting chair 02:21:58 he's located in France, so presumably will cover the UTC+10:00 timeslot 02:22:06 floor is open for voting 02:22:16 +1 02:22:23 +1 02:22:24 +1 02:22:25 +1 02:22:27 +1 02:22:34 +1 02:22:40 JDatTeTakere you just missed being elected official assistant to the newsletter editor 02:22:45 +1 02:22:46 +1 02:22:55 +1 02:22:56 It was a glorious victory 02:23:04 +1 02:23:05 :) 02:23:15 #agreed Samuel Desseaux elected as a meeting chair 02:23:22 next up, bug wranglers 02:23:35 Joanne Dillon and Chris Cormack have volunteered to serve in this capacity 02:23:42 floor is open for voting 02:23:51 +1 02:23:53 +1 02:23:54 +1 02:24:01 +1 02:24:02 +1 02:24:02 +1 02:24:07 +1 02:24:08 +1 02:24:09 +1 02:24:11 +1 02:24:15 #idea Is there any controversy about any nomination? Should we take them as a set? 02:24:36 BobB_: good question, hold on a second 02:24:53 #agreed Joanne Dillon and Chris Cormack elected as bug wrangler 02:25:14 * oleonard votes for all the things 02:25:15 we could vote on voting for the set 02:25:16 OK, adopting BobB_'s idea, I'll put the question 02:25:38 +1, 0, or -1 for adopting the remaining project position proposals as per http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16? 02:25:49 +1 02:25:52 +1 02:25:53 +1 02:25:55 +1 02:25:57 +1 02:25:59 +1 02:26:08 +1 02:26:10 +1 02:26:13 +1 02:26:14 +1 02:26:27 +1 02:27:03 +1 02:27:19 * gmcharlt will hold the floor open for two more minutes in case anybody wants to express an objection 02:28:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Obmnz_1hZk 02:29:04 :) 02:29:34 OK, the two minutes are up, so I'm calling the result 02:29:36 For thornier issues there's this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyN-vvFIkE 02:29:47 please bear with me as I do a bunch of #agreeds 02:30:01 #agreed Samuel Desseaux elected as VM manager 02:30:11 #agreed Robin Sheat elected as packaging manager 02:30:30 #agreed Jared Camins-Esakov elected as module maintainer for authorities 02:30:39 #agreed Kyle Hall elected as module maintainer for holds 02:30:56 #agreed Tomas Cohen Arazi elected as module maintainer for the Debian scripts 02:31:14 #aggree Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as release maintainer for 3.10.x 02:31:19 #agreed Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as release maintainer for 3.10.x 02:31:32 #agreed Tomas Cohen Arazi elected as release maintainer for 3.12.x 02:31:45 #agreed Fridolyn Somers elected as release maintainer for 3.14.x 02:32:29 #agreed Ruth Bavousett, Kyle Hall, Paul Polain, Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, and Jonathan Druart elected as members of the QA team 02:32:40 #agreed Katrin Fischer elected as QA manager 02:32:57 #agreed Joy Nelson elected as database documentation manger, with Samuel Desseaux assisting 02:33:08 #agreed Nicole Engard elected as documentation manager 02:33:25 #agreed Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as translation manager 02:33:36 #agreed Galen Charlton elected as release manager 02:33:43 gmcharlt++ :) 02:34:11 my fingers have now filed a petition to secede from the union 02:34:12 ;) 02:34:19 indeed! 02:34:25 congratulations to everyone on that list :) 02:35:00 Especially those who hold office for the first time! Welcome! 02:35:31 the position of 3.8.x release maintainer is unfilled. given that there is some interest from folks to continue that branch, I propose that we postpone the question of whether to fill that role to the December IRC meeting 02:35:45 +1 02:35:52 +1 02:35:56 +1 02:36:03 +1 02:36:06 +1 02:36:11 Hello, this is chad roseburg. I missed the voting, but am here to discuss the fate of the newsletter if anyone is interested 02:36:12 +1 02:36:14 +1 02:36:17 +1 02:36:20 +1 02:36:32 crose: your election as newsletter editor has been confirmed, by the way 02:36:42 crose, you have been elected Newsletter editor, congratulations! 02:36:51 congrats :) 02:37:02 Here here!! 02:37:04 Sounds good. I'm looking forward to it. Thanks! 02:37:07 and you have an assistant - JD from NZ 02:37:17 #agreed whether to continue the 3.8.x branch and elected an rmaint for it to be decided by the December IRC meeting 02:37:34 Glad to have help. I have a baby on the way any day now 02:37:53 congrats again :) 02:38:07 crose++ # increaing the number of future Koha hackers ;) 02:38:13 Thanks 02:38:27 And hack we will 02:38:53 We need a gallery of Koha babies somewhere. 02:39:31 #topic Debrief on KohaCon 13 02:39:35 Where can I get an infant sized koha onesie? 02:39:55 congrats! 02:40:02 crose: via CafePress, actually 02:40:10 Ok thanks 02:40:19 Didn't bag show off one? 02:40:28 oleonard: now that you mention it, I think so 02:40:41 future koha developer 02:40:51 * oleonard does not mean to imply that bag himself modeled the onesie 02:40:58 heh 02:40:59 lol 02:41:02 lol 02:41:05 as far as the conference goes, first, I'd like to extend kudos to Nancy Keener and the rest of the folks at the Washcoe County Library for doing a wonderful job 02:41:19 :) 02:41:23 here, here, very well done 02:41:23 +1! 02:41:26 Many many thanks go to them 02:41:27 +1 02:41:28 +1 02:41:30 er, Washoe County 02:41:41 +2 even! 02:41:44 Jolly good show! +1 02:41:53 +1 02:42:32 #agreed the community thanks Nancy Keener and the other staff at the Washoe County Library system for hosting KohaCon13 02:42:32 I have to expand: this was the most helpful and successful conference I've ever had the privilege to take part in, and I've attended plenty. 02:42:51 and kudos to all of the other folks who volunteered for the conference 02:42:59 it was great. 02:43:44 many kittens were saved 02:43:47 any other comments regarding KohaCon 13? 02:43:58 amenities (snacks) were good 02:44:25 As a first-timer, I would respectfully suggest that the nature of the event might have been explained with a bit greater clarity. 02:44:30 #info Daniel Grobani listed info sources in the last community newsletter - very helpful reference 02:44:49 Those who have attended before need only "KohaCon", others might need more. 02:45:00 Bruce_: Beyond the program listing? 02:45:09 Bruce_: what would you have liked to know? 02:45:40 Yes. The program listing was fine, but I had no idea what level the hackfest would be conducted on. I was most happy to discover that I could contribute, but I almost left after Saturday. 02:45:57 #info Joy Nelson ByWater solutions 02:46:35 Bruce_ : we are glad you did not :) 02:46:44 Me too. 02:46:45 indeed 02:47:11 I plan to give this question some thought and contact the hosts of KohaCon14 with my suggestions. 02:47:25 Bruce_++ 02:47:28 ... assuming they don't call me first! 02:47:33 Bruce_ ++ 02:47:33 also, a nice seque to ... 02:47:39 #topic KohaCon 14 and 15 02:48:33 We are beginning the organization and found raising (for KohaCon14) 02:49:28 Idea: Ask those who will not be able to attend to contribute an "absence fee" in an amount of their choosing. 02:49:53 hmm, the idea has merit 02:49:53 Ok 02:50:43 Even a small amount sent by all those who *wish* they could attend might do wonders. 02:51:06 another idea, via feedback from KohaCon12 that I got from slef: consider offering an "enhanced ticket" as a way for libraries who want to sponsor, but who are not allowed to directly give funds for such a thing, to pay extra 02:51:29 At a conference here, they call them high-rollers. 02:51:40 They get better chairs :) 02:51:55 heh 02:51:57 business class? 02:52:52 any other questions/comments for bgkriegel? 02:52:56 * talljoy just needs extra legroom 02:53:14 * talljoy is now known as shortjoy 02:53:15 fixed. 02:53:43 bgkriegel, it will be good to set the date as soon as you can 02:53:51 reason #1 to avoid an outfit calling itself the Procrustean Hotel 02:53:52 yes indeed 02:54:01 Ok 02:54:54 regarding KohaCon 15 -- an observation: Africa is the one continent that has not yet hosted a KohaCon 02:55:21 (I'm making the wild assumption that an Antarctic one is never going to be practical any time soon) 02:55:49 so move on 02:55:51 gmcharlt: I had to Google procrustean - very funny (and apt) 02:55:53 what about Asia, particularly the far east? 02:56:14 It was suggested that for KohaCon 15 the voting be limited to proposals from Africa. 02:56:37 rhcl: that's also a region not yet represented, but there was a KohaCon in India a couple years ago 02:56:38 we can't mandate that, but the sentiment is out there 02:57:01 agreed, and one that I for one am inclined to reinforce 02:57:30 I would think we could vote on that proposal at some time in the future 02:58:08 indeed 02:58:09 Cons need hosts, and it may be that those most likely have little experience in organizing such events. Perhaps a group of former hosts could be formed as a support group? 02:58:48 Bruce_: yes; that has happened anyway; most/all of the KohaCons to date have had volunteer help from folks who were involved in previous ones 02:59:17 I'm sure that's so, but is that offer of help advertised? 02:59:32 and two potential bidders (Nigeria and Zambia) were at KohaCon12, so know the format 03:00:01 yes -- and to be clear, there have already been viable bids from Africa; I don't think there are any particular reservations concerning that 03:01:05 #topic Action items from the October IRC meeting 03:01:23 #info the one action item from the October IRC meeting, creating the 3.16 project roles wiki page, was completed by rangi 03:01:40 rangi++ 03:01:50 any last minute agenda items before we do the final one, setting the date of the next meeting? 03:02:29 Should have done this at the top but I have a quick announcement. 03:02:37 * edveal and nengard created an XSLT Library page on the wiki. I have added a few snippets and I am sure the group can edit them and add to them. Just wanted to get the page up and running. 03:03:22 #info Announcement: edveal and nengard have created an XSLT library page on the wiki - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Library 03:03:24 edveal++ 03:03:27 nengard++ 03:03:34 yay! 03:03:37 OK, moving on 03:03:44 #topic setting time of next meeting 03:03:54 18:00 UTC is the next one up, 4 December? 03:04:09 we go 2-18-10? 03:04:18 we go backwards 03:04:23 ok 03:04:24 i think 03:04:49 cait1, that's consistent with the previous meeting 03:05:02 OK, so putting the question: shall the next metting be at 18:00 UTC on 4 December 2013? 03:05:20 +1 03:05:21 +1 03:05:22 sounds right, but eek, it'll be 5am here 03:05:28 +1 03:05:28 +1 03:05:29 +1 03:05:30 +1 03:05:39 BobB_: it's 4am here now :P 03:05:40 +1 03:05:44 +1 03:05:53 +1 03:05:56 +1 03:05:56 droif, point taken' 03:05:59 :) 03:06:22 #agreed the next general IRC meeting will be held at 18:00 on 4 December 2013 03:06:24 @later remind someone to change the topic to reflect the next meeting date and time 03:06:25 oleonard: I suck 03:06:39 +1 03:06:42 sorry, sleepy :) 03:06:49 +1 03:06:52 OK, thanks everybody 03:06:53 #endmeeting