10:04:26 #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting 10:04:26 Meeting started Wed Apr 3 10:04:26 2013 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:04:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 10:04:26 The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting' 10:04:35 welcome all 10:04:38 #topic Introductions 10:04:39 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:04:46 please introduce yourself with #intro 10:04:49 #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England 10:04:54 #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA - Italy 10:04:54 oh #info 10:04:57 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 10:05:00 #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12 10:05:02 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 10:05:07 #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT 10:05:10 #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:05:11 #info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software, USA 10:05:13 #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd. 10:05:16 #u 10:05:17 #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina 10:05:18 #info Stefano Bargioni, Pontificia Università della Santa Croce - Rome 10:05:18 #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 10:05:20 #info Chris Hall, Catalyst It, New Zealand 10:05:31 #info Bob Birchall, Calyx 10:05:35 #info Franziska Wallner, The American University of Rome 10:05:37 #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France 10:06:08 #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, UNC, Argentina 10:06:31 question: shoudl we do the elections first? 10:07:05 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:07:06 fine by me 10:07:14 fine with me 10:07:19 yes, for me 10:07:24 sure 10:07:25 #topic Roles for 3.14 10:08:16 #agreed we will ask for objections, if none, the candidate is elected 10:08:21 #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14 10:08:22 was not sure how to prhase that 10:08:25 hope it sounds about right :) 10:08:33 kf: 'tis fine 10:08:34 sounds perfect. 10:08:49 ok, let's start with the most important role 10:09:04 we have gmcharlt as candidate for release manager 10:09:07 #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France 10:09:17 are there questions about his proposal? 10:09:26 #info paul Poulain BibLibre, France 10:09:31 sorry for being a little bit late 10:09:37 probably too late for questions? that was last meeting? 10:09:42 #info Ian Walls, former QAM 10:09:43 right 10:09:49 are there any objections? 10:10:00 * oleonard wouldn't dare 10:10:03 heh 10:10:03 * wizzyrea either 10:10:07 no 10:10:10 if you object you have to do it 10:10:15 :-) 10:10:18 speak now or forever hold your peace 10:10:22 gmcharlt++ very well written proposal 10:10:33 yep, no objections, happy we have you volunteering 10:10:52 no objection as well 10:10:55 yes, very happy you are volunteering, thank you (and your wife. And your cats.) 10:11:01 #agreed Galen Charlton is declared Release Manager 3.14 10:11:10 thanks everybody; I shall endeavor to repay your trust 10:11:11 woohoo! 10:11:14 may god have mercy on his soul 10:11:19 hehe 10:11:24 heh 10:11:25 good luck :) 10:11:27 Amen. 10:11:32 hahaha 10:11:59 next is translation manager 10:12:13 druthb / D Ruth Bavousett has offered to continue 10:12:19 Hi mib_4fnx1g, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 10:12:44 any objections? 10:12:53 no 10:12:54 I think the problem with the objectiosn is that I am not sure how long to wait :) 10:13:03 maybe a countdown? 10:13:04 kf: 1 minute IMO 10:13:04 no objections from here 10:13:04 3 10:13:05 2 10:13:06 1 10:13:08 done 10:13:09 ? 10:13:10 heh 10:13:13 i think if someone is objecting they'd do it quickly. 10:13:18 1 min is a good time 10:13:22 wizzyrea: yeah, but IRC lags. 10:13:37 wizzyrea: the co-op's rough practice has been 1 minute of silence 10:13:42 #agreed D Ruth Bavousett is elected Translation Manager for 3.14 10:13:54 yay! 10:13:55 wizzyrea: although members can plead net.fun later 10:13:59 druthb++ 10:14:02 yay! 10:14:11 next is Nicole Engard /nengard for documentation manager :) 10:14:16 and druthb++ :) 10:14:24 I thought she was elected for life 10:14:27 any objections to that? :) 10:14:28 No objection BTW. I'm curious about the translation infrastructure, but that's going on in email. 10:14:33 heh 10:14:51 no objection to nengard... glad she continues 10:15:10 gmcharlt++ and druthb_away++ (sorry, not-enough coffe lag) 10:15:19 #agreed Nicole Engard is reelected for Documentation Manager 10:15:26 please stop me when I am too fast :) 10:15:29 nengard++ 10:15:38 ok, next we have 2 candidates for installation documentation manager 10:15:39 nengard++ druthb++ 10:15:50 nengard++ :) 10:16:07 Samuel Desseaux /samuel and Mason James /mtj 10:16:16 any objections? 10:16:24 None from me. 10:16:27 they are sharing the role? 10:16:50 do they want to share? 10:16:52 wizzyrea: yes 10:16:59 no problem for me to share :-) 10:17:04 mtj: ping? 10:17:07 yay 10:17:17 wizzyrea: yes, manager and "will help" 10:18:10 hm bit difficult as mtj is not here 10:18:18 he was here just a bit ago! 10:18:19 I think common practice so far was sharing the role 10:18:30 I had understood that mtj's intention was sharing the role. 10:18:34 yeah, we can force him to share 10:18:37 likewise 10:18:50 i have no objections to however they figure out they want to do it :) itd be good to get it done though 10:18:58 yup 10:18:59 :) 10:19:08 ok, i suggest we make them share the load then ;) 10:19:18 +1 10:19:19 #agreed Mason James and Samuel Desseaux will be Installation Documentation Managers for 3.14 10:19:23 mtj++ samuel++ 10:19:26 want to get this moving :) 10:19:27 mtj++ 10:19:28 samuel++ 10:19:40 next is database documentation manager - nicole again 10:19:44 :-) 10:19:45 should have done that with the other :) 10:19:52 samuel++ mtj++ from me too 10:20:00 binary search for objections? ;-) 10:20:05 that role should be decreasing 10:20:11 which is good 10:20:24 ie, nengard is catching up 10:20:45 aside, I feel like we should make a rule that the dev who adds a new column be required to add the doc for it. 10:20:52 yep 10:20:53 most do 10:20:55 Don't we? 10:21:00 i mean formalise that. 10:21:08 we can put it in the coding guidelines 10:21:15 that. 10:21:22 Huh. It's msising. 10:21:23 *missing 10:21:25 Fixing that now. 10:21:28 cool 10:21:30 #action add to coding guidelines: devs have to document changes to the database schema 10:21:31 jcamins++ 10:21:35 jcamins++ 10:21:44 * kf assumes 10:21:46 #agreed Nicole Engard elected for Database Documentation Manager 3.14 10:21:47 We can go ahead and vote. 10:21:49 no objections to nicole doing it 10:21:52 wizzyrea++ good spot 10:22:00 nengard++ 10:22:06 but its super easy for anyone else to do whenever they are looking at kohastructure.sql too 10:22:12 nengard++ 10:22:17 yep, super ez 10:22:24 so lets try and have her manage, not have to write everythign too 10:22:29 ^ this 10:23:03 ^^ this this 10:23:10 wizzyrea rangi++ 10:24:02 ok, next is QAM 10:24:12 morning drojf ;) 10:24:26 #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late 10:24:32 hu kf :) 10:24:35 hi 10:24:35 bonjour, drojf 10:24:58 * gmcharlt jumps in 10:25:05 thx gmcharlt 10:25:19 any objections to kf's proposal to continue as QAM? 10:25:42 who could object after 101 passed qa in march ! 10:25:49 ikr! 10:25:50 indeed! 10:26:05 for reals we'd be mad to object. 10:26:08 kf++ 10:26:09 a week of hackfest certainly helped there - sadly there is not one every month :) 10:26:10 kf++ keep up the magic 10:26:47 * gmcharlt calls it 10:26:48 #info Katrin Fischer continuing on as QAM for Koha 10:26:53 kf++ 10:26:54 kf++ 10:26:58 kf++ 10:27:05 thx :) 10:27:09 kf++ 10:27:10 cait++ # and since you're really two people, we get twice the work! ;) 10:27:12 kf++ 10:27:23 ok, quickly moving on - quality assurance team! 10:27:30 hackfest_every_month++ 10:27:37 the proposed QA team looks awesome 10:27:44 totally awesome 10:27:54 any objections? 10:27:57 cept that chris guy, i object to him 10:28:06 yeah, I hear he is pretty sloppy with QA. 10:28:07 rangi: your objection is marked invalid 10:28:07 Nice try. 10:28:12 dang 10:28:28 it's a sad state to be in if you find yourself objectionable. 10:28:33 anyone got a wiki link for me? 10:28:38 drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14 10:28:39 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.14 10:28:42 thx :) 10:28:54 Hi mib_5x4kfi, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 10:29:14 * kf hopes for a bright future with short QA queues :) 10:29:15 seriously tho, no objections 10:29:22 ok, let me type that then 10:29:50 bag++ khall++ first timers :) 10:30:05 #agreed Marcel de Rooy, Chris Cormack, Jonathan Druart, Brendan Gallagher, Mason James, Paul Poulain and Kyle M Hall are going to be the QA team for 3.14 10:30:08 hope no typos :) 10:30:13 i think im the only person to get fired from QA 10:30:21 lol 10:30:28 noe we can move on to the release maintainers, can we do them in bulk? 10:30:29 by yourself! 10:30:35 rangi: you will have to try very hard to make that happen :) 10:31:39 no objection to voting on the RMaints all at once 10:32:01 ok, so I am asking for all of them - any objections? 10:32:10 very glad to see so many first timers myself! 10:32:19 my gf objects 10:32:20 None from me. 10:32:28 lol tcohen 10:32:31 ouch 10:32:38 none from me 10:32:39 lol 10:32:57 lol from me 10:32:58 i mean, really? tell her we will send her um........ cookies and... fudge 10:32:59 none from me 10:33:11 none from me as well 10:33:24 and... um.... gah I don't know what she likes. Flowers? 10:33:33 cookies wizzyrea 10:33:41 wizzyrea: do all objections get cookies? 10:33:42 except, maybe : welcome south-america ;-) 10:33:50 only if they are partner related 10:33:57 i won't object if i get cookies 10:33:58 :) 10:34:01 cjh: don't think about it! 10:34:23 #agreed Release Maintainers will be: Tomás Cohen Arazi (3.12.x), Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (3.10.x) and Chris Hall (3.8.x) 10:34:39 packaging manager: Robin Sheat /eythian 10:34:44 any objections? 10:34:57 nope 10:34:58 he's the best, no objections. 10:35:08 no objections 10:35:17 well you're all the best. 10:35:22 no objections from me, eythian++ 10:35:23 any objection is considered volunteering :P 10:35:34 kek 10:35:45 #agreed Robin Sheat named as Packaging Manager 3.14 10:35:49 ah thats why mine didnt work, i got in a recursive loop 10:35:58 lol rangi 10:35:58 hehehe 10:36:30 ok, live cd and vm manager 10:36:43 hm question from me - are those really different things? 10:36:59 no objections, but i am not sure what those roles are supposed to do :) 10:37:00 i wanted to ask... what is a avm manager? 10:37:03 I believe so, yes. 10:37:04 *vm 10:37:40 if they are willing to do it, I'm willing to let them 10:37:55 * magnuse imagines the vm manager making vm "images" that can be downloaded and loaded into e.g. virtualbox 10:37:58 different things 10:38:10 it wouldn't hurt to give a short description of the role if it is newly introduced, i think 10:38:15 I think the idea is that the VM manager is responsible for packaging the VM, and the live CD is manager is responsible for packaging the live cd/dvd, which require different tools, skillsets, and possibly configurations. 10:38:31 what he said 10:38:49 jcamins: "the VM" as in "the official Koha VM"? 10:38:53 drojf: I suspect no one is sure what the roles were for, since the people who added them in 3.10 never showed up to explain. 10:38:54 so we think both are valid - do we have objections? 10:39:05 "the VM" as in "a demo VM that includes Koha." 10:39:10 sorry, but I have to leave now to grab some food for lunch before an important meeting. se ya ! 10:39:27 do we want to postpone the discussion and ask for proposals? 10:39:32 jcamins: ok. i won't stop anyone from doing that 10:39:34 No. 10:39:37 naw 10:39:52 nah 10:39:53 +1 to ask for details, but no need to postpone 10:39:54 it'd be really good to have someone responsible for keeping the Koha Live CD/DVDs up to date 10:40:00 ok, so no objections, I am starting to type the agreeds :) 10:40:04 ^ 10:40:10 #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy 10:40:27 #agreed VM Manager: Samuel Desseaux 10:40:30 also I think it should be understood that this person is in charge of the canonical live CD/DVD 10:40:41 and the canonical VM 10:40:48 #action ask on mailing list for details about roles of live cd/dvd manager and vm manager 10:40:50 sekjal: it would be cool if that someone would frequent the irc though 10:40:59 drojf: agreed 10:41:12 that did not really happen with the last dvd manager i think 10:41:41 ok 2 more to go people 10:41:50 Bug Wrangler: magnuse 10:42:11 yay, last bug wrangler standing 10:42:11 any objections? 10:42:15 * gmcharlt removes magnuse's wiki editing privileges for now ;) 10:42:16 * wizzyrea really appreciates slef's emails about bugs to check 10:42:21 no objections 10:42:27 no objections 10:42:28 wizzyrea: I agree! slef++ for those 10:42:33 and no objections about magnuse 10:42:33 slef++ 10:43:02 sorry that was kind of random. 10:43:04 magnuse++ 10:43:09 #agreed Magnus Enger is Bug Wrangler for 3.14 10:43:18 do we have some other last minute candidates? :) 10:43:19 magnuse++ 10:43:24 magnuse++ 10:43:30 magnuse++ 10:43:38 * magnuse blushes 10:43:45 else... last but not least: Newsletter Editor: Daniel Grobani 10:43:48 any objections? 10:43:55 he does fantastic newsletters. 10:43:55 and yeah, more bug wranglers would be good 10:43:58 none from me 10:44:09 danielg++ 10:44:33 danielg++ 10:44:52 #agreed Daniel Grobani to continue as Newsletter Editor 10:45:15 The new Koha team is awesome! 10:45:16 ok, I will mess with the sequence a bit today 10:45:17 :) next old bugs email in a bit, but rangi suggested a few 10:45:28 and ask for news about kohacon next 10:45:31 so I held off, to hope people will look at them 10:45:35 do you select those by hand? 10:45:43 #topic Kohacon2013 10:45:53 nah it's a script I probably ought to put on the wiki now it's stable 10:45:59 cooooool 10:46:02 or in our public git 10:46:03 someone here for kohacon? 10:46:12 putting_things_on_the_wiki++ :-) 10:46:13 call for presentations deadline is 15 april 10:46:15 2 weeks! 10:46:16 somebody said 2 weeks was not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 10:46:20 submit your talks 10:46:23 Waaay too early for the west coast 10:46:24 hurry up 10:46:27 i know where you live 10:46:30 etc 10:46:33 #info only 2 weeks until presentations deadline! 10:47:08 is that a definitive deadline kf? 10:47:16 How many presentations have proposed currently? 10:47:25 * oleonard solicits suggestions for UI/template/frontend presentations they might like to see 10:47:32 hi dcook 10:47:38 not many i think around 7 or 8 thd 10:47:47 Hey BobB 10:47:54 ppl always wait until the last minute tho 10:47:55 tcohen: They set a deadline to make it possible to plan, if you are not sure about it, maybe contact Nancy directly? 10:47:56 * magnuse needs to figure out if he will be able to go to reno or not... 10:48:00 thats why you have to make deadlines 10:48:07 oleonard: eradicating yui, the bootstrap path to zen. 10:48:08 yep 10:48:09 or something. 10:48:11 thanks kf 10:48:24 otherwise you get to october and ppl are still procrastinating :) 10:48:29 hehe 10:48:35 yeah, and noone can plan their trip because no program :) 10:48:39 yep 10:48:52 you can always unconference! 10:48:55 * wizzyrea runs away giggling 10:49:15 ok, I think wemove on now :) 10:49:16 magnuse: comiserations. Pretty sure I won't, as another non-profit client seems to have gone nuts. They just offered to pay like a third of their bill :-/ 10:49:18 I'm up for presenting something. I just don't know what yet. Something for newbs 10:49:19 actually I like unconferences 10:49:39 #topic Updates on 3.8 and 3.10 10:49:48 rangi? still awake? 10:49:49 Hi jransom 10:49:49 wizzyrea: we might try to co-host a UK unconference this year. Tips welcome! ;) 10:49:54 ;) 10:49:57 slef: ouch! 10:49:59 oo fun 10:50:08 hi jo! 10:50:13 waves sleepily at everyone :) 10:50:21 hi jransom 10:50:38 hey jransom 10:50:40 jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-) 10:50:49 hi jransom 10:50:52 wahanui botsnack cookie 10:50:53 thanks kf :) 10:51:03 and hi jransom 10:51:08 yep 10:51:09 (slef: the ouch was for the nutty client, not for the unconf, of course) 10:51:16 both will be released on time 10:51:21 Hey jransom. Good to see you again 10:51:26 on the 22nd of april 10:51:27 magnuse: (I guessed.) 10:51:30 nothing more to add really 10:51:32 rangi++ 10:51:34 rangi++ 10:51:37 congrats galen yoy miver and shaker you - well deserved 10:51:42 rangi++ 10:51:47 jransom: thanks! :) 10:51:48 #info 3.8.x and 3.10.x releases on schedule 10:51:57 jransom: and now also our next RM :) 10:52:00 rang++ many years of hard work, not enough karma in the world to make up for it 10:52:10 * kf hands wizzyrea an i 10:52:13 too true 10:52:19 rangi++ there we go 10:52:22 Rangi++ 10:52:27 ok, last 10:52:28 rangi++ 10:52:33 #topic Update 3.12 10:52:35 I saw that on twitter - and thus swung on by 10:52:42 I offer beer in Reno :p 10:52:43 3.12 is on schedule. 10:52:54 #info String freeze for 3.12 starts May 1 10:53:16 I am currently reporting a blocker which will result in the reversion of bug 7740 if it is not fixed with alacrity. 10:53:18 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7740 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC 10:53:24 * magnuse tries to inspire himeself to translate 3.12 10:53:27 dcook: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try! 10:53:50 As we get closer and closer to release time, I will revert faster and faster, so if you find a blocker, fix it before I do! 10:54:04 And that's about it. 10:54:06 @quote add slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try! 10:54:06 wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #239 added. 10:54:25 On the first try even wizzyrea! 10:54:29 * tcohen hears voices in his head, saying "unit teeeeestssss" 10:54:32 * wizzyrea made sure it would work 10:54:47 Any questions? 10:54:49 jcamins++ 10:54:59 jcamins++ 10:55:02 jcamins++ 10:55:06 jcamins++ 10:55:09 jcamins++ 10:55:40 jcamins++ 10:55:49 ok, no questions :) 10:55:57 3.12 gonna be the best yet! 10:56:08 do we have anything else on the agenda that I missed? or can we set the date for the next meeting? 10:56:24 and please someone help to figure out the time correctly 10:56:37 kf: 02:00 UTC 10:56:54 ew 10:57:01 looks like all of the action items from the previous meeting have been handled 10:57:02 jcamins: please could you use the summary box on wiki edits? 10:57:10 slef: if I remember, sure. 10:57:21 hmm little issue with 3.12 10:57:24 #info reminder: use summary box when editing wiki pages 10:57:25 we should use more marc 10:57:26 http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 10:57:44 ok, date 10:57:47 lol 10:57:48 looool 10:57:48 next meeting will be in may 10:58:07 what about... 10:58:11 maybe we could store the borrowers as marc records? 10:58:20 7th? 10:58:20 it has been said that 7th is worth a try 10:58:27 magnuse: yay! 10:58:31 magnuse: there are systems that do that, actually 10:58:32 magnuse: lol 10:58:33 thx wahanui 10:58:33 yw 10:59:08 * kf watis for objections 10:59:09 +1 Tuesday, 7 May 10:59:12 a marcalendar would always know when to do a meeting 10:59:15 gmcharlt: moahahaha 10:59:36 #agreed Next Koha IRC Meeting will be Tuesday 7 May - 02:00 UTC 10:59:44 yay 10:59:45 #endmeeting