19:00:32 <rangi> #startmeeting Kohacon13 19:00:32 <huginn> Meeting started Tue Jan 22 19:00:32 2013 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:32 <huginn> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:00:32 <huginn> The meeting name has been set to 'kohacon13' 19:00:48 <rangi> #topic introductions 19:00:48 <wahanui> #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:01:07 <rangi> #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, RMaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x 19:01:22 <oleonard> #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 19:01:22 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer 19:01:23 <libsysguy> #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, QAA 3.12, Houston Tx 19:01:28 <nancyk> #chair nancyk 19:01:45 <jcamins_away> #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12 19:02:19 <slef> #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England, kohacon12 co-host 19:02:28 <druthb> #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions, TM 3.12 19:02:35 <melia> #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions 19:03:00 <rangi> that everybody? 19:03:16 <slef> rangi: do you need to #addchair nancyk? 19:03:19 <nancyk> shall we start? 19:03:20 <drojf> #info Mirko Tietgen 19:03:27 <drojf> i accidentally into a meeting :D 19:03:39 <slef> drojf: ErrNoVerb 19:03:44 <rangi> #addchair nancyk 19:03:52 <rangi> i dont think that does anything slef 19:03:55 <nancyk> #addchair nancyk 19:04:04 <nancyk> ok 19:04:07 <rangi> #topic what needs to be done? 19:04:10 <rangi> over to you nancyk 19:04:13 <slef> rangi: hrm... I thought it let nancyk use #topic and so on 19:04:19 * slef RTFMs 19:04:21 <nancyk> #topic 19:04:37 <nancyk> #topic What needs to be done? 19:04:45 <cait> :) 19:05:24 <nancyk> #topic how about an update? 19:05:40 <cait> hm looks like only the one starting the meeting can do it? 19:05:53 <rangi> im going off the agenda here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_22_January_2013 19:06:10 <slef> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_22_January_2013 19:06:10 <rangi> so we are at what needs to be done .. do you want to talk about that nancyk ? 19:06:35 <nancyk> #info we are still waiting on the contract, but the days are set. 19:07:00 <nancyk> I am a slooow typer so please be patient 19:07:14 <cait> take your time :) 19:07:25 <rangi> i wont move on to the next topic until you say you are done :) 19:07:46 <nancyk> The first item on the agenda is what needs to be done, next 19:08:29 <rangi> yep thats the current topic 19:09:46 <nancyk> I sent an email that the venue is the Atlantis, the dates are Oct 16-22. 19:10:03 <rhcl> #info rhcl=Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 19:10:26 <rangi> #info dates are set october 16-22 2013 at the Atlantis reno check the wiki for more info 19:10:30 <nancyk> information is posted on the wiki 19:10:39 <cait> nancyk++ 19:10:49 <nancyk> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon13 19:10:54 <rangi> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 19:11:01 <rangi> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon13 19:11:30 <nancyk> So now I need a committee to create the structure and get the ball rolling 19:12:03 <nengard_lunch> #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions 19:13:01 <rangi> so that brings us on to who can do what? 19:13:47 <nancyk> We need people to work on screening presentations 19:13:58 <cait> not sure I can attend yet, but if there is something that can be done online ... 19:14:07 <rangi> #topic Who can do what? 19:14:14 <nancyk> We need people to help with registration, at the site 19:14:38 <nancyk> We need people to handle logistics 19:14:55 * druthb is willing to help with international hospitality--making sure non-US people have the info they need on visa logistics,etc. 19:14:58 <nengard> I can put up the proposal form again 19:15:05 <nengard> and help with the screening 19:15:12 <Brooke> yeah me too 19:15:22 * Brooke lives in the right place to bug people. 19:15:53 * druthb lives in the right place to bug Brooke. 19:16:16 * jcamins_away is the RM, making him an expert on bugs. :P 19:16:37 <rangi> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Volunteers#Roles_to_Fill 19:16:40 <nancyk> #action brooke and nicole screen presentations 19:16:41 * cait is qam.... gets to see all the bugs before RM does :P 19:16:47 <rangi> perhaps people could sign up here 19:16:57 <rangi> and put their name under the roles they could do 19:17:10 <nancyk> nice idea 19:17:36 <nancyk> #action I'll flesh out the vol page on the wiki 19:18:05 <rangi> cool 19:18:22 <nengard> I think Brooke wanted to help druthb with bugging ;) 19:18:34 <nancyk> #topic What kinds of presentations do we want? 19:18:37 <rhcl> Maybe someone could fill in just a couple of brief bullets on the duties? For example, "International visitors help" would entail what, generally? 19:18:45 <rangi> #topic what kind of presentations do we want? 19:18:56 <rhcl> disregard, just answered 19:19:29 <rangi> rhcl: etsa .. gotta remember to apply for that BEFORE you take off or yoink! :) 19:19:57 <nengard> Presentations on how libraries are using Koha are always cool 19:20:00 <rangi> #info librarians/libraries telling their stories 19:20:05 <rangi> what she said :) 19:20:06 <nengard> hehe 19:20:07 <nengard> :) 19:20:08 <rhcl> we are going to send some librarians, so some "library topics" would be of more interest to them than dev or tech presentations exclusively 19:20:15 <nengard> sorry I should have used the #info 19:20:19 <slef> ah! I guess you mean "filter/review presentations", not as in prepare them for projection on a screen! 19:20:26 <nengard> right 19:20:35 <nancyk> #info I might be able to get something on virtualizing Koha 19:20:41 <slef> two peoples, divided by a common language... 19:20:56 <rangi> rhcl: we usually save tech stuff for the hackfest, we are pretty good about that 19:21:16 <rangi> i think that works well usually? 19:21:45 <nancyk> #info lost of new libraries, how about newbie tips? 19:21:48 <rangi> #info panel discussions are sometimes good too 19:21:56 <cait> I think some presentations that mix in a bit of tech are ok, but not too technical 19:22:21 <rangi> newbie tips are great, sometimes old hands learn new tricks that way too 19:22:27 <nengard> yeah super techie stuff is for the hackfest 19:23:02 <rangi> #info how about a slot for lightning talks? a cool tricks .. you have 7 mins to show you cool trick 19:23:04 <nengard> i think that last year was great, not to structured - not forcing everyone in to 30 or 45 min slots 19:23:19 <drojf> yeah for lightning talks 19:23:20 <nengard> and then the tech talks weren't there to confuse, but to enhance 19:24:11 <nancyk> #info new features in acquisitions 19:24:44 <nancyk> #info coolest OPACs 19:25:11 <rangi> #info i like "What we did wrong" talks too 19:25:16 <cait> maybe something like koha used in other countries? 19:25:18 <rangi> those can be really really useful 19:25:21 <slef> nengard++ 19:25:26 <Brooke> cait++ 19:25:31 <rangi> oh yeah, overseas stories 19:25:33 <William> ++ 19:25:38 <Brooke> Those are super important 19:25:38 <rangi> #info international stories 19:25:39 <nancyk> boy we have lots of those! 19:26:06 <rangi> im hoping to get someone from NEU to come 19:26:13 <cait> that would be cool 19:26:17 <rangi> to talk about the 1112 branches moving/moved to koha 19:26:24 <rangi> ill keep pestering them :) 19:26:29 <cait> rangi++ 19:26:49 * Brooke gets out the dead horse whip 19:27:00 <rangi> philipines converted all their public libraries to koha 19:27:05 <Brooke> I wish we had scholarships to prod folks to get there by taking the cost of travel out of the equation 19:27:06 <rangi> there is a good story there too :) 19:27:20 <nancyk> Ok, send me your late, but good ideas 19:27:25 <rangi> :) 19:27:29 <cait> maybe have another question and answers session? 19:27:30 <drojf> i wish we had scholarships to take get me there ;) 19:27:37 <cait> and some history of koha is always good too 19:27:37 <rangi> next topic nancyk ? 19:27:40 <drojf> err. without the "take" 19:28:03 <nengard> #info history of koha/what is koha for the new newbies 19:28:08 <cait> drojf: we could revive the *build a boat out of old books* plan 19:28:14 <drojf> hehe 19:28:18 <nancyk> #topic hackfest 19:28:34 <nancyk> what is it really? 19:28:43 <nengard> it's been a few things 19:28:44 <rangi> #topic hackfest 19:28:52 <rangi> its a combination of presentations and coding 19:29:12 <cait> we had a bug squashing session in scotland, and some tutorials about how to do certain things like using git and writing unit tests in nz 19:29:18 <nengard> I'd love less talking and more coding :) 19:29:23 <Brooke> hackfest is usually a bunch of nerds in a room with lappies. Magic crap happens if you feed them cheetos and chocolate. :) 19:29:24 <rangi> imho the talking to each other is of far more value than the sitting quietly and working on code 19:29:27 <rangi> i can do that here :) 19:29:32 <jcamins_away> Much more valuable. 19:29:32 <cait> helping newbies who want to help out programming get started, show people how to test bugs, use bugzilla, git, the tools 19:29:41 <Brooke> Beer is another good nerd fuel. 19:29:48 <nengard> rangi - oh yes! talk to each other - but the presentations aren't always necessary I feel 19:29:49 <druthb> wahanui: hackfest? 19:29:49 <wahanui> hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) 19:29:51 <cait> coming up with bigger ideas and how things shoudl be done 19:29:54 <cait> or could 19:29:54 <Brooke> it's a whole lot of over the shoulder learning 19:30:03 * druthb likes Brooke's definition better. 19:30:06 <cait> because can't really make decisions there, but can note down ideas 19:30:12 <nancyk> #info will they bring a server? 19:30:21 <rangi> don't need one 19:30:22 <jcamins_away> nancyk: a server? 19:30:23 <wahanui> rumour has it a server is installed 19:30:23 <cait> everyone will bring a laptop :) 19:30:24 <rangi> laptops suffix 19:30:28 <rangi> suffice too 19:30:29 <drojf> or two 19:30:32 <jcamins_away> wahanui: forget server 19:30:33 <wahanui> jcamins_away: I forgot server 19:30:33 <drojf> and tablets 19:30:34 <drojf> lol 19:30:39 <cait> can run lots of kohas on a laptop :) 19:30:45 <cait> but internet is a big requirement 19:31:22 <nancyk> will people who want to be bug testers go? 19:31:31 <rangi> i hope so 19:31:32 <cait> :) 19:31:37 <rangi> thats why i ran the scoreboard last year 19:31:46 <rangi> #link http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ 19:32:18 <drojf> aaaw all those kittens we saved 19:32:21 <oleonard> nancyk: Wireless internet is a big big requirement for conference *and* hackfest 19:32:44 <nancyk> got that ;) 19:32:50 <cait> :) 19:33:05 <cait> I think if there are people who want to learn about testing, there can be a session about that 19:33:18 <rangi> nancyk: making new developers is far far far far far far far far far more important than the existing ones working on code 19:33:18 <cait> the hackfest is normally less strictly planned than the conf 19:33:27 <nancyk> #topic donations 19:33:47 <nancyk> how do we go about that? 19:33:48 <rangi> so imo the hackfest is great for helping people new to testing/translations/etc to come up to speed 19:33:52 <rangi> #topic donations 19:33:57 <Brooke> you ask, folks give 19:34:09 <nancyk> method of asking? 19:34:11 <Brooke> sometimes you don't even ask, and Magnus and folks show up with money anyway 19:34:12 <rangi> make it as simple as possible to give 19:34:13 <Brooke> :) 19:34:28 <Brooke> cause magnuse is quick like that 19:34:41 <jcamins_away> E-mail to the list with how much you need for what, and the simplest possible way to send money. 19:34:41 <cait> magnuse++ 19:34:48 <libsysguy> donate button on the koha site? 19:34:57 <rangi> nancyk: we beat the streets, knocked on doors, and looked outside of just the koha support companies for sponsorship 19:34:59 <cait> I think there were problems with paypal last time 19:35:12 <slef> nancyk: email to the list, then if you need to raise more, direct mail based on the support list, then if you need to raise more, beg on IRC and in person. 19:35:15 <libsysguy> I was wondering if paypal would work…I guess not 19:35:28 <libsysguy> what is the donation goal? 19:35:32 <slef> libsysguy: arrrrrgh paypal froze kohacon12 donations at an awful time 19:35:34 <jcamins_away> Last year we had a Paypal button on the website, I think, but there were some problems with getting money out of it. 19:35:49 <libsysguy> figures…paypal is a pita sometimes 19:35:58 <drojf> most of the time 19:36:02 <jcamins_away> So if an easier option can be found, that'd be good. 19:36:03 <Brooke> paypal works, you just have to figure it out ahead of time 19:36:08 <slef> no 19:36:13 <slef> paypal is a complete loose cannon 19:36:25 <slef> I think the US may have other options. Let me check our research 19:36:29 <drojf> paypal basically decides when you can get your money. or if you can at all 19:36:34 <rhcl> if you just ask for donations, we won't be able to give (politics), but if you have a suggested donation, we might be able to request that 19:36:44 <nancyk> #info donation method needs work, I get it 19:36:47 <slef> I think there were services we found but couldn't use because they only paid out to the US. 19:37:02 <slef> #info use paypal if you like, but try not to rely on it behaving 19:37:12 <cait> I think for in the US it might be fine 19:37:15 <jcamins_away> slef: yeah... there are two or three. 19:37:23 <cait> but better check 19:37:31 <libsysguy> https://merchant.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=merchant/donations 19:37:32 <slef> cait: I think they serve the US from a Singapore-based subsidiary 19:37:39 <cait> how nice 19:37:50 <rangi> if you can get sponsorship from outside the community too 19:37:50 <libsysguy> oh kickstarter or indegogo 19:37:52 <slef> cait: I feel it's to avoid the regulators 19:37:53 <rangi> its much better 19:38:04 <slef> libsysguy: they take an extra % 19:38:28 <nancyk> #topic Anything else? 19:38:38 <slef> #info indiegogo was 3+(4 or 9)% + $25 + exchange rates 19:38:47 <slef> #info 33needs looked like 8% 19:39:10 <slef> #info Crowdrise looked liked 5%+$2.50; other options: Kickstarter, Profounder 19:39:21 <libsysguy> slef you're right I just saw at that 19:39:26 <slef> just checking for anything else 19:39:37 <slef> #info above are as at April 2012 or so 19:39:46 <rangi> #info hit up restaurants, print shops etc also 19:39:49 <jcamins_away> nancyk: don't use Kickstarter, or something where the payment _must_ be done through them, because at least some of the donors won't be able to donate through a venue like that. 19:40:02 <slef> ok I'm done 19:40:36 <nancyk> #topic Anything else? 19:40:38 <jcamins_away> (or use Kickstarter, but in such a way that donations can also be taken directly) 19:40:41 <jcamins_away> Okay, I'm done. 19:40:44 <jcamins_away> :) 19:40:45 <rangi> #topic anything else? 19:40:51 <slef> rhcl: would you be able to buy "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? 19:41:01 <rhcl> yes, I'd guess 19:41:20 <slef> I think some "our policy is not to make donations" libraries suggested that to us. 19:41:21 <drojf> enhanced… by a pricetag? :) 19:41:24 <rhcl> and I'd (personally) fully support that type of thing to raise $$ 19:41:38 <libsysguy> high_roller_package++ 19:41:39 <nancyk> What's that? 19:41:39 <wahanui> rumour has it that is in march 19:41:39 <nengard> +1 19:41:46 <rhcl> we used to pay a fortune to send people to Sirsi conf 19:41:55 <slef> drojf: front-row seats? Oh wait, it's a tech conference... back-row seats? 19:41:59 <nengard> hehe 19:42:00 <drojf> hehe 19:42:02 <nengard> table seats 19:42:11 <drojf> with power outlets 19:42:18 <nengard> nancyk that's something to be sure of - lots of tables - lots and lots of tables 19:42:20 <William> What are "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? 19:42:23 <libsysguy> n-band wifi 19:42:33 <nengard> the idea being that some libraries can't donate, but they can pay to attend the conference 19:42:41 <nengard> actually there is nothing enhanced about it 19:42:46 <rangi> William: the conference is free, but some libraries can not make donations, so we could have sepcial non-free tickets 19:42:46 <nengard> it's just a way to get more $$ for the conference 19:42:49 <rangi> for them 19:42:49 <nancyk> #topic next meeting time 19:42:58 <rangi> #topic next meeting time 19:43:05 <slef> I'd say just the ticket is enhanced. Printed on card instead of a sticker, maybe? ;) 19:43:16 <slef> and maybe get stickers that actually stick :-/ 19:43:19 <nancyk> #info Feb 19th same time? 19:43:20 <slef> ahem 19:43:47 <rangi> heh 19:43:50 <nengard> what stickers didn't stick? 19:43:52 <rangi> nancyk: works for me 19:44:01 <slef> nengard: the ones at kohacon12 19:44:10 <rhcl> will there be tables where we can leave stuff set up to demo? I'd like to show our OPAC (kiosk) software running. 19:44:14 <Brooke> that would be after Valentine's Day, so should be good :) 19:44:21 <nancyk> #info thanks all, I have a to do list for sure 19:44:30 <slef> nengard: on the plus side, they were very good in that they didn't mark clothes! ;-) 19:44:30 <cait> nancyk: thx for the meeting and info :) 19:44:42 <cait> slef: bcause they didn't stay there long enough ;) 19:44:43 <nengard> oh! the name stickers 19:44:45 <nengard> those never work 19:44:46 <nengard> ever ever 19:45:03 <jcamins_away> That's why I bring my own hanger. 19:45:13 <nengard> yeah i'll do the same this year 19:45:15 <nengard> i have a few 19:45:40 <nancyk> #action next KohaCon planning meeting Feb. 19 19:00 UTC 19:46:12 <nancyk> #endmeeting 19:46:20 <cait> rangi? :) 19:46:23 <slef> cait: maybe we should staple them on? 19:46:41 <cait> slef: I think I wouldn't like a stapler that close to me - thx 19:46:50 <slef> cait: or we could use a legbone to spear them on... 19:47:05 <rangi> #endmeeting