05:04:15 #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014 - part 1 05:04:15 Meeting started Wed Nov 19 05:04:15 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:04:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 05:04:15 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1' 05:04:23 #topic introductions 05:04:23 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 05:04:30 hi, please all introduce yourself with #info 05:04:53 #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian contributor. 05:04:58 #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 05:05:08 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 05:05:10 #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 05:05:12 #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems 05:05:33 ok, small meeting :) 05:05:39 * mtompset pokes RTerrenal and manny 05:05:44 hi all, I just came in 05:05:53 * cait waits for a moment 05:05:55 #info Manny, I am Koha- Philippines 05:06:00 #info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan 05:06:15 heya BobB 05:06:23 :) 05:06:32 * mtompset pokes RTerrenal 05:07:04 hi clint_ - here for the meeting? 05:07:11 * cait waits a moment longer for #info s 05:07:13 yes 05:07:28 #info Clint Anact 05:07:41 * BobB pokes mtj 05:07:48 :) ok movig on 05:07:55 poked people can do their infos later :) 05:08:02 #topic Announcements 05:08:26 #info Ryan Terrenal National library of the Philippines 05:08:28 #info Mason James, NZ 05:08:38 any announcements? :) 05:08:59 #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18) 05:09:01 tcohen did an awesome video? 05:09:12 right :) 05:09:13 yes! 05:09:26 does someone have the link for an #info? 05:09:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be 05:09:58 * dcook isn't sure how you want to add that officially :) 05:10:14 #info Koha, a community - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday 05:10:21 [off] But rangi has a great facial expression at 3:02 05:10:21 me neither, hope that's ok 05:10:51 [off] don't get me started thinking about my facial expressions and broken english again 05:11:06 ok, do we have any release managers or maints around? 05:11:07 [off] you were fine, Katrin. 05:11:18 cait++ 05:11:25 #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 20th this week 05:11:39 #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week 05:12:21 #info There is a list of critical bugs to be solved before release on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 05:12:45 ... and also 3.18 is gonna rock :) 05:12:52 Amen. 05:13:17 anything else? 05:13:23 I'd like it if someone could look at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 05:13:24 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 05:13:41 #info bug 11998 is waiting for sign off - syspref caching issues 05:13:42 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 05:13:55 that should maybe be the last thing that we need for perhaps running the staff-side safely on plack 05:13:58 would it be ok if we did the elections next? 05:14:31 #info Eugene Espinoza House of Representatives Library 05:14:40 i'd like to get those done before discussing the other topics 05:14:47 sure thing 05:14:50 go for it cait 05:14:57 ok :) 05:15:01 #topic Elections! 05:15:14 Is there a page listing people? 05:15:27 #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:15:45 you will all notice... we still lack a 3.16 rmaint 05:16:21 #info Wanted: 3.16 Release maintainer 05:16:34 but as the release is next week ... I think we should still vote :) 05:16:43 any preference on how to vote? 05:17:01 the usual? i put the names and everyone +1 -1? 05:17:08 sounds good to me. 05:17:21 so let's get started then :) 05:17:28 yes. raising hands won't work sadly. 05:17:37 First, I am very happy that we got tcohen to do it again :) 05:17:39 +1 for them all - no objections 05:17:44 tcohen++ 05:17:50 tcohen++ 05:17:51 yes 05:17:57 tcohen++ 05:17:59 Vote for Release manager please - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi 05:18:06 tcohen++ # most assuredly. 05:18:07 +1 ! 05:18:08 +1 05:18:09 +1 05:18:11 +1 05:18:14 +1 05:18:27 +1 05:18:32 +1 05:18:57 +1 05:19:04 #agreed Meeting part 1 elects Tomas Cohen Arazi for release manager of 3.20 05:19:35 Please vote for the listed Release Maintainers - we got 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 Fridolin Somers (cont.) 05:20:09 +1 for both. 05:20:19 is that ok, if we do a group vote? 05:20:28 +1 +1 for me as well, no objections :) 05:20:34 Unless someone objects, I don't see why not. 05:20:41 +1 +1 05:21:08 +1 +1 05:21:24 +1 +1 05:21:25 +2 :) 05:21:53 #agreed Release Maintainers: 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 - Fridolin Somers 05:22:06 Next are the module maintainers, please refer to the wiki for those :) 05:22:21 any questions for comments before we vote? 05:22:50 Who is PP? 05:22:50 siileeence :) 05:22:55 paul_p 05:23:37 no objection 05:23:40 Please vote on the module maintainers as listed on the wiki (auth, sip, holds, patron privacy) 05:23:59 +1 to all 05:24:14 no objection 05:24:18 +1 05:24:25 +1 to all from me too 05:24:32 +1 to all 05:24:33 especially happy about patron privacy and sip :) 05:24:45 What other work has Colin done? 05:24:53 (sip tends to get stuck a bit) 05:25:10 colin has done a lot with SIP 05:25:26 colin works for ptfs europe, he has some plumbing/architecture patches in too, improving code 05:25:29 he was a QA person awhile ago too 05:25:35 yep, even qa manager 05:25:42 yeah 05:26:07 he usually comments on the sip patches too 05:26:08 Okay, then I'm all in. :) +1 to all. 05:26:24 #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy) 05:26:27 moving on 05:26:36 Translation manager - comments or questions? 05:26:41 +1 to all also no objection 05:27:12 Please vote on Translation manager - Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 05:27:17 +1 :) 05:27:23 +1 go bernardo ! 05:27:26 +1 to everything... until we hit QA team. :) 05:27:32 oh? 05:27:34 +1 05:27:59 I have a question about the QA team, that's all. nothing negative. :) 05:28:34 BobB, mtj - where is Australia? :) 05:28:57 next to NZ :p 05:29:04 hey cait, i would be happy to do 3.16 RMaint role 05:29:11 mtj++ 05:29:14 awesome 05:29:15 That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag 05:29:15 Really?! 05:29:17 +1 05:29:24 mtj++ # stepping it up nicely! 05:29:25 +1 05:29:26 +1 05:29:27 #agreed Translation manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 05:29:39 mtj: do you want to add yourself to the wiki? 05:29:52 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:29:55 yes, will do cait 05:30:08 i can do it so mtj can focus on the meeting? 05:30:17 i will just continue and put you at the end - in case you change your mind ;) 05:30:29 * mtompset laughs. 05:30:32 ok for me Oak :) 05:30:33 i'd like to vote documentation togehter, that ok? 05:30:39 ok :) 05:30:56 nicole is the queen of documentation. +1 05:31:01 So please vote for (Database) Documentation manager, candidate is Nicole Engard 05:31:01 +1 05:31:04 +1 05:31:13 +1 05:31:16 +1 05:31:27 +1 05:31:28 very much +1 for Nicole Engard 05:31:35 +1 05:31:47 +1 05:31:48 #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard 05:31:53 #chair bag 05:31:53 Current chairs: bag cait 05:32:03 * cait hands voting for qa over to bag ;) 05:32:14 umm ok 05:32:53 * cait pokes bag 05:32:57 Good procedure Koha, ++ 05:33:00 Please vote on the Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer 05:33:05 cait++ # nice removing conflict of interest. 05:33:08 +1 05:33:09 [off] was typing 05:33:12 +1 05:33:24 +1 -- like that is hard to vote on. :) 05:33:25 +1 05:33:50 +1 05:34:09 +1 05:34:50 #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer 05:35:13 please vote for the whole team for --> Quality Assurance (QA) Team 05:35:19 i saw some of the QA in the very nice video produced by UNC (Argentina) 05:35:23 (pasting in names - one sec) 05:35:36 Just a quick question. 05:35:37 Marcel de Rooy (continuing) 05:35:38 Jonathan Druart (continuing) 05:35:39 Paul Poulain (continuing) 05:35:41 Christopher Brannon (would like to be considered) 05:35:42 Brendan Gallagher (continuing - some months stronger than others ;) ) 05:35:44 Martin Renvoize (continuing) 05:35:45 Kyle M Hall (continuing) 05:35:46 yes go ahead mtompset 05:35:56 The "would like to be considered" 05:36:17 What does it take to be considered for QA? how long should you have worked on/with Koha? 05:36:28 ah forgot bag is also on the list - so much for the plan :) 05:36:43 i think we don't have a strict rule currently 05:36:56 * rangi is sorta here dealing with kids 05:37:01 IMO mtompset I think as long as you volunteer - then lets give it a shot 05:37:10 i think a decent amount of sign offs before would be good 05:37:17 but we all shoudl do sign offs... right? :) 05:37:23 AMEN! 05:37:28 We should all do signoffs. 05:37:29 I've learned more when I vounteered to be a QA person 05:37:51 All the qa team including Christopher Brannon have my vote 05:38:08 Bbiab 05:38:21 he wants to start small - not QAing the large patches - but the smaller ones 05:38:25 Okay, given that clarified criteria, and rangi's vote of confidence... I'm +1 for all. 05:38:34 and RM has final call 05:38:43 no vote 05:38:43 I am quite happy with the list 05:38:50 :) 05:38:57 i think i can? +1 :) 05:39:04 yes you can :D 05:39:10 QA team +1 05:39:11 objections? 05:39:20 Nope. :) 05:39:23 i will start typing :) 05:39:26 no objection 05:39:37 no objections 05:39:44 +1 for all 05:39:57 #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Team (all listed on the wiki) 05:40:02 #agreed QA team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall 05:40:05 #chair cait 05:40:05 Current chairs: bag cait 05:40:10 i am still :) 05:40:14 oh yeah :P 05:40:27 then how do you unchair? 05:40:34 Please vote on Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 05:40:42 +1 05:40:43 mtompset: i odn't know, but you can have a list of people chairing 05:40:46 +1 -- eythian rocks. 05:40:47 +1 05:40:48 +1 05:40:48 +1 05:40:49 +1 05:41:08 #dechair 05:41:15 HA! 05:41:21 #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 05:41:24 #standup? 05:41:34 BobB++ 05:41:46 Last but not least before we go back to the top: Bug Wranglers 05:41:59 Plase vote: Bug Wrangler - Magnus Enger 05:42:06 oh yeah!!! +1 magnuse! 05:42:08 +1 05:42:10 +1 05:42:11 +1 :) 05:42:13 +1 05:42:14 magnuse +1 05:42:45 #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger 05:42:51 +1 05:42:54 Reading the job description, every so often, I guess I feel like one. 05:43:05 mtompset: that might be right :) 05:43:09 do you want to add yourself? 05:43:20 Nah. I can't commit. 05:43:25 aah, # unchair -> http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html 05:43:27 + 1 mtompset 05:43:42 Conflict of interest, manny. :P 05:44:05 hm don't see mtj on the wiki yet? 05:44:24 I do. 05:44:28 added him here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:44:39 ok, my browser was being werid 05:44:42 all good 05:44:45 :) 05:44:56 so please vote on rmaint for 3.16 - candidate is Mason James 05:44:59 +1 for mtj for 3.16 05:45:01 And yes... +1 for mtj as 3.16 05:45:03 +1 05:45:06 +1 05:45:11 +1 05:45:14 +1 05:45:14 +1 05:45:22 +1 05:45:27 Because it would be super weird to not have a 3.16 RM. :) 05:45:34 #agreed Release Maintainer 3.16: Mason James 05:45:41 yeah that would 05:45:49 heh, indeed mtompset :0) 05:45:50 first part of the meeting is done with elections now :) 05:45:54 we almost got a release team! 05:46:11 koha++ 05:46:20 #topic Establish a roat map for Koha 05:46:24 sec 05:46:33 #topic Establish a road map for Koha 05:46:38 ^roat^road^ 05:46:39 can't leave that typo in 05:46:49 :) 05:46:56 BobB: do you want to explain a bit? 05:46:59 this arose on the sidelines of KohaCon14 05:47:14 we used to have release specific roadmaps, like this: 05:47:19 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 05:47:31 but if features were held up it got messy 05:47:42 so now 05:47:48 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 05:48:13 #info the idea is to have a road map that is not time linked, 05:48:21 #info not linked to any one release 05:48:40 so it becomes a bit of a strategic plan for the code, if you like 05:49:02 #info so people can see what is coming up, but not necessarily when it might get there 05:49:59 so more.. general things we work towards to than a schedule? 05:50:10 functionality plans? 05:50:11 #info The suggestion is to include both proposed new features and also plumbing improvements 05:50:46 #info It was suggested the Road Map could have just a brief description of each proposal ... 05:51:09 #info with a link to a separate page where the full RFC might be 05:51:37 that's it 05:51:46 an aerial view :) 05:51:55 the idea is its reevaluated after each major release 05:52:09 oh yeah, thx rangi 05:52:20 #info It was also suggested .. 05:52:22 #info the idea is to reevaluate after each release 05:52:29 * dcook likes this idea 05:52:31 so its not fixed, always moving, more of a aspirational list than a roadmap 05:52:32 sorry BobB 05:52:41 #info that the meeting after each major release could consider updates to the road map 05:52:46 I'd like to try it :) 05:52:56 #info but that its maintenance can also be a continuous process 05:52:57 +1 05:53:04 but i think then the next question would be - how do we get started? 05:53:24 from bugzilla? 05:53:37 hm I think as we are collectiing more general ideas, there might not be bugs 05:53:44 or many bugs :) 05:53:50 cait: we dont have to decide that til after the release 05:54:03 there might be big bugs, but certainly not every bug, or even close 05:54:06 thought we could collect some ideas 05:54:23 for now, lets focus our energy on it, and people can write notes and we can look at them post release 05:54:32 sounds good to me 05:54:58 so part of the release process can be a retrospective meeting 05:55:06 yes! 05:55:09 what went well, what didnt, what can we do better 05:55:16 #idea Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process 05:55:16 and update the roadmpa at that 05:55:17 +1 05:55:21 +1 05:55:22 i like that 05:55:33 #idea so we could endorse the idea today, and list it for more discussion at the next meeting? 05:55:48 sounds good to me BobB 05:55:49 maybe at the next meeting - we do it 05:55:54 Actually won't the next meeting be after the release? 05:55:55 i think the general response was positive - souns good tome too 05:56:05 exactly mtompset 05:56:12 So it aligns nicely. 05:56:18 :) 05:56:19 first retro and road map meeting than? 05:56:31 moving on? 05:56:50 yep, ok 05:56:57 #idea use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map 05:57:12 * mtompset likes that idea. 05:57:21 #topic Establish new roles within the release team 05:57:40 #info This arose from the same discussion 05:58:05 #info the proposal is to establish a Wiki Maintainer as a member of the release team 05:58:16 #info and a Communications Manager 05:58:32 The agenda says curator nor maintainer. ;) 05:58:37 #info peeps thought these might be available to Librarians rather than developers ... 05:58:42 ^nor^not^ 05:58:48 #info who are busy enough already 05:59:19 oops big correction, gives a whole different sense of, thx mtompset 05:59:24 i like the idea, finding volunteers would be the trick, but we can ask and see if anyone does volunteer 05:59:39 #info /Wiki Manager/ Wiki Curator/ 05:59:48 What is the idea for a communication manager? 06:00:12 pretty much what coms do at any organisation 06:00:29 press releases, get info out about the releases to places like librarytechnology.org etc 06:00:38 I mailed the list about it but don't have that to hand .... 06:00:55 nudge people to get their news into the newsletter.. on the blog... write something up etc 06:00:56 they dont have to write it, but they can learn who to ask to write things, and then where to send them 06:01:05 liaise with the newsletter eds, bash people to write articles, etc 06:01:14 Isn't that part of what the newsletter folks are doing? or is that something more than that? 06:01:17 rangi ++ 06:01:33 mtompset: i think reaching into other media/places a bit more 06:01:42 its broader imo 06:01:55 A Koha Evangelist? 06:02:02 no 06:02:13 thats a whole other thing 06:02:34 help us do good things AND actually talk about it? :) 06:02:43 a coordinator of stuff that is already happening, and a stirrer to make more stuff happen 06:02:48 yes 06:02:49 Public Relations person? 06:02:50 but not to do stuff, oneself 06:03:18 necessarily 06:03:23 when you choose that person, i can be his/her assistant. 06:03:40 Oak +1 06:03:47 Oak +1 06:04:10 #info, if agreed to, these roles would be defined and advertised on the list: a call for nominations 06:04:19 you know when you see somethign come across the list, 1000 libraries in turkey using koha .. someone who follows that up, finds out more info, gets it more widely circulated etc 06:04:35 more like a journalist than a pr person ... we dont expect them to actually lie ;-) 06:04:42 Okay, I think I got it. 06:04:43 i feel like i can do that. 06:05:06 both journalists and pr people lie, rangi. Fox News. ;) 06:05:06 :) 06:05:24 Fox News.... really bad example 06:05:26 awesome Oak !!! 06:05:27 i think calling people on fox news journalists is a huge disservice to journalists :) 06:05:36 thats pr people and pr people :) 06:05:37 true, true. :) 06:05:49 Oak++ :) 06:06:04 should we agree on the positions? 06:06:13 minute that at least 06:06:16 but back on topic... yes, let's put that out on the list for a call for nominations. 06:06:27 if we find people to fill them its a win, if we don't nothing is lost 06:06:32 *nod* 06:06:33 +1 06:06:37 media as in TV, newspaper and radio? 06:06:52 *other media 06:06:59 ok, any veto? 06:07:02 I think part of the call for volunteers - will be they get to help create and shape this role too 06:07:29 good point bag 06:07:34 yes! i was thinking same thing. 06:08:10 what can i put in the agreed? 06:08:34 #agreed Look for a Wiki Curator and Communication manager 06:08:47 yep 06:08:53 is somonewilling to write to the ml ?:) 06:09:26 yes I can 06:09:39 #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles 06:09:41 BobB++ thx 06:09:46