13:05:13 <tcohen> #startmeeting General IRC meeting 22 October 2014 13:05:13 <huginn> Meeting started Wed Oct 22 13:05:13 2014 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:05:13 <huginn> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:05:13 <huginn> The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_22_october_2014' 13:05:22 <tcohen> #topic Introductions 13:05:23 <wahanui> #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 13:05:28 <oleonard> Someone must have thought this was a good time for a meeting :| 13:05:33 <tcohen> Please introduce yourselves, using #info name 13:05:40 <paul_p> #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre 13:05:42 <tcohen> #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 13:05:45 <oleonard> #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 13:05:54 <barton> #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville KY USA 13:05:59 <jwagner> #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 13:06:32 <magnuse> #info Magnus Enger, Oslo Public Library 13:06:38 <khall> #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 13:06:53 <edveal> #info Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions 13:07:10 <tcohen> ok, moving on 13:07:12 <dani> #info Dani Elder, ByWater Solutions 13:07:23 <fridolin> hie all 13:07:27 <tcohen> will wait for frido 13:07:42 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 13:07:42 <fridolin> tcohen: here I am 13:07:51 <meliss> #info Melissa Lefebvre, ByWater Solutions 13:08:37 <tcohen> moving on 13:08:41 <tcohen> #topic Announcements 13:08:42 <magnuse> good turnout from bywater :-) 13:08:53 <tcohen> any announcements? 13:08:56 <tcohen> paul_p? 13:08:56 <wahanui> hmmm... paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee. 13:09:31 <magnuse> and has a beard! 13:09:32 <paul_p> mmm... not that I see (am I forgetting something ?) 13:09:59 <paul_p> (STRONG wind in Marseille today, but that's not an announcement for this meeting ;-) ) 13:10:12 <tcohen> heh 13:10:13 <bgkriegel> #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba 13:10:57 <cait> tcohen: you found msaby :) 13:11:00 <cait> oh 13:11:09 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 13:11:11 <tcohen> heh 13:11:16 <tcohen> cait: no 13:11:35 <tcohen> #topic Update on old releases 13:11:48 <tcohen> khall: 3.12? 13:11:49 <wahanui> rumour has it 3.12 is due to be released on May 22, 2013. Master entered a feature slush on March 15, 2013, and will enter a feature freeze on March 22, 2013 and a string freeze on May 1 13:12:00 <cait> #link : http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_22_October_2014 13:12:36 <tcohen> fridolin: comments on 3.14? 13:13:03 <khall> 3.12 is getting to the point where there are few if any applicable patches 13:13:12 <fridolin> nothing special 13:13:31 <tcohen> #info Kyle says 3.12 is getting to the point where there are few if any applicable patches 13:13:38 <fridolin> I wich I could spend more time on intergrating patches 13:14:15 <tcohen> #info Fridolin says he doesn't have enough time to spend on integrating patches 13:14:32 <tcohen> are there any big bugs on those releases that need our attention? 13:14:39 <tcohen> i.e. help backporting? 13:15:09 <tcohen> remember we are here to help :-D 13:16:52 <paul_p> hey, one annoucement that everybody has probably seen : if you've a "forbiden date" for the Hackfest in Marseille in feb/mar 2015, drop me an email ! 13:16:53 <tcohen> omnipresent bgkriegel 13:17:28 <tcohen> ok, anyone wants to say something about 3.16? 13:17:29 <paul_p> I plan to choose the date in november 13:17:51 <cait> for a moment I read... a date in november :) 13:18:41 <tcohen> #info Marseille's dates will be chosen in November 2014, please answer Paul's email on "forbidden dates" before November 13:18:50 <tcohen> ok, update on 3.18 13:19:11 * tcohen hopes 3.18 shines 13:19:14 <tcohen> :-P 13:19:44 <paul_p> tcohen = any patch needing attention you'd like to see included ? 13:19:52 <paul_p> (for 3.18) ? 13:19:57 <tcohen> that's what i was looking for 13:20:23 <paul_p> I'd like to rise the "hea" patch, it's a very useful addition, no side effect, and will give us a lot of interesting informations about Koha users ! 13:20:42 <tcohen> paul_p: HEA is already integrated in my local branch 13:20:43 <paul_p> i've seen your email about some description, will send 13:20:51 <tcohen> waiting for some wording review 13:20:56 <paul_p> (will add a comment on the bz) 13:20:57 * oleonard is doing so now 13:21:02 <tcohen> oleonard++ 13:21:17 <barton> link to HEA in bugzilla? 13:21:25 <magnuse> are there dates for 3.18 feature freeze etc yet? 13:21:26 <oleonard> Bug 11926 13:21:27 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11926 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , HEA - Render community koha statistic usages 13:21:30 <tcohen> #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11926 13:21:31 <huginn> 04Bug 11926: new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , HEA - Render community koha statistic usages 13:21:36 <barton> oleonard++ 13:22:12 <paul_p> tcohen = anything pending around plack or Unimarc & dom changes ? anything about facets in zebra ? 13:22:21 <tcohen> i was about to say 13:22:41 <tcohen> #info tcohen urges people to look at the plack related patches 13:23:07 <tcohen> #info Zebra facets should be tested a lot :-D 13:23:32 <tcohen> also, there are several UNIMARC patches that recently failed to apply 13:23:43 <tcohen> (my fault, because of the changes I made on the XSLT files) 13:23:50 <cait> thre is also a follow up for facets that needs signoff i think 13:23:50 <wahanui> okay, cait. 13:23:55 <cait> the pref for choosing the number of facets? 13:23:59 <tcohen> yes 13:24:20 <magnuse> tcohen: are there dates for 3.18 feature slush/freeze etc yet? 13:24:40 <tcohen> there will be another nso for warning the user in the about page for conflicting zebra facets configuration 13:24:52 <cait> paul_p: do you thik someon could take a look at the tests failing for bug 10860? 13:24:53 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10860 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , On-site checkouts (was In-House Use) 13:25:39 <paul_p> tcohen you mean someone excluding joubu that is afk for 3 weeks ? I don't think so. everybody too busy at BibLibre 13:26:13 <paul_p> s/tcohen/cait/, sorry 13:26:40 <khall> paul_p: I'll take a look at it. If it's something simple I can take care of it 13:27:08 * paul_p bet the test fail because of some missing data in the db... 13:27:13 <paul_p> thx khall 13:27:28 <khall> np! 13:27:38 <magnuse> khall++ 13:27:57 <barton> magnuse -- he gets that all the time ;-) 13:28:15 <tcohen> magnuse: feature freeze will be friday 31 13:28:26 <cait> or maybe because of the db changes and some test needs adjusting khall++ 13:28:35 <cait> khall: i am very interested in that feature, woudl be nice to see it move 13:29:04 <cait> tcohen: #info? :) 13:29:19 <cait> #info Feature freeze will be Friday 31 October 13:29:29 <tcohen> info Feature freeze for 3.18 is October 31 13:29:32 <oleonard> Wow that's really soon. 13:29:41 <magnuse> it is! 13:29:54 <tcohen> time goes by! 13:30:03 <magnuse> it sure does 13:30:30 <tcohen> i expect you all email me about those features you expected for 3.18 and are close to be finished 13:30:38 <tcohen> so we find the way 13:30:46 <tcohen> we still have a week and a half 13:31:05 <tcohen> and the PQA queue doubles the SO one in amount of bugs 13:31:06 <magnuse> me would like to see bug 11401 go in, but that is only of interest to norwegian libraries... 13:31:07 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add support for Norwegian national library card 13:31:11 <cait> and feature freeze is not push freeze... but we need to have a deadline 13:31:22 <cait> to wrk thorugh the things in pqa i think 13:31:23 <tcohen> magnuse: that one is on the list 13:31:26 <cait> and give tiime for translators 13:31:33 <magnuse> yay 13:31:44 <tcohen> fell free to ask me for any help you might need to make it faster 13:32:21 <tcohen> that's an opt-in feature that wouldn't break any other feature 13:33:07 <paul_p> I'm also really willing to see the updatedatabase improvement, written by me, rewritten by marcel, going in. 13:33:18 <paul_p> will be a wunderbach improvement for sandboxes ! 13:33:26 <magnuse> yeah, that would be cool 13:33:29 <tcohen> paul_p: link? 13:33:29 <wahanui> i heard link was broken. Also, we don't know what tools you're using to create the marc, but there is probably an option in that tool. 13:33:35 <magnuse> and how about the big utf8 bug? 13:33:58 <magnuse> bug 11944 13:34:00 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 13:34:05 <tcohen> i'll be working on it today and tomorrow 13:34:09 <magnuse> woohoo! 13:34:10 <paul_p> bz 13068 13:34:13 <magnuse> tcohen++ 13:34:16 <paul_p> bug 13068 13:34:17 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , New feature for DB update and sandbox 13:34:46 <bgkriegel_> i can add 3.18 to translation server soon, to give more time to translators (after feature freeze) 13:35:01 <tcohen> bgkriegel++ 13:35:33 <tcohen> #action Bernardo will add 3.18 soon on the translation server 13:36:22 <paul_p> tcohen about 13068, I'll sign-off asap (new signoff needed I think, as it's almost a complete rewrite). khall would you be OK to QA it after ? (ill' drop you an email once I've signed off) 13:36:26 <tcohen> #info Tomas has asked people who wrote new features / enhancements to drop some lines for the release notes, please contact him if you have something to say 13:36:55 <tcohen> paul_p: that's fine 13:36:58 <cait> bgkriegel++ :) 13:37:08 <khall> paul_p: absolutely! 13:37:14 <tcohen> it is mostly a change in the updatedatabase maintenance workflow 13:37:28 <tcohen> ok, moving on? 13:37:40 <khall> paul_p: ping me here as well once it's signed 13:37:49 * magnuse gotta run, sorry 13:38:06 <bgkriegel_> If someone has time (magnuse) perhaps a look to Bug 7939 13:38:07 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Separate po files for different MARC dialects 13:38:10 <tcohen> before we move on, PLEASE CONTACT ME for anything 3.18 related, better sooner than later 13:38:52 <tcohen> ok 13:38:53 <cait> also tell me if one of your patches is more important than another, so we can give it prio in qa 13:38:53 <paul_p> tcohen = can I get coffee with my 3.18 please ? 13:38:54 <paul_p> :D 13:39:05 <tcohen> sure :-D 13:39:17 <tcohen> #topic Code of Conduct 13:39:19 <cait> tcohen: alfajores please :) I am running out 13:39:48 <tcohen> #link https://github.com/gmcharlt/koha-code-of-conduct 13:40:26 <tcohen> thd: you proposed some ammendments 13:40:31 <tcohen> #link http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2014-August/040462.html 13:40:58 <tcohen> #info The current code of conduct was distributed to KohaCon14 atendees 13:41:07 <thd> I also submitted a patch against the repository. 13:41:14 <tcohen> and fortunately we didn't need to use it 13:41:33 <thd> We hope that we would always never need to use it. 13:41:55 <tcohen> is your patch applied to the one in galen's repo? 13:42:23 <tcohen> i don't see it 13:42:59 <thd> The patch is against the repo but gmcharlt does not seem to have taken the time to post a branch with the patch. 13:43:17 <tcohen> ah 13:43:28 <tcohen> so we cannot vote on it?? 13:43:41 <thd> The content of the patch is the same as the text changes in my email except: 13:44:27 <thd> I correct a misspelling ant-harassment to anti-harassment and 13:44:51 <thd> the verbose phrase for 24 hours to 24 hours. 13:45:35 <thd> Yes I think that we should be able to vote on it as a whole or the parts in my email individually. 13:47:21 <thd> Does anyone have questions about my proposed amendments or specific amendments to it? 13:48:05 <thd> No had raised any on the mailing list when I had last checked. 13:48:50 <thd> I suggest that we vote on the proposed amendments as a whole. 13:48:57 <tcohen> i have no personal objections to the ammendments 13:49:21 <paul_p> same thing for me 13:49:30 <thd> If it fails we can enquire if there are objections to particular parts which might be changed. 13:49:37 <barton> yep. I'm good with the ammendments -- I really want to be able to harass ants again. 13:49:48 <tcohen> heh 13:49:57 <talljoy> heh 13:50:02 <tcohen> thdta 13:50:05 <tcohen> hi talljoy 13:50:12 <talljoy> hi tcohen 13:50:15 <tcohen> smuxi autocomplete seems, funny 13:50:16 <paul_p> (and my opinion about this code of conduct is that we never had any problem, so adopting a coc may be good, but no need to discuss it for years ;-) ) 13:50:37 <talljoy> #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 13:50:47 <barton> paul_p++ 13:50:53 <tcohen> if there are no objections... 13:51:10 <thd> paul_p: My only concern is that if we would ever have a problem that we should have something more refined than the existing version. 13:51:27 <paul_p> thd = let's fix it when we face it then 13:51:34 <paul_p> "if it work, don't fix it" ;-) 13:51:35 <tcohen> yeah 13:51:47 <tcohen> ok, we agree on the changes 13:51:56 <barton> +1 13:52:00 <paul_p> +1 13:52:01 <thd> paul_p: I actually do not think that the existing language "works". 13:52:10 <dani> +1 13:52:13 <tcohen> +1 13:52:15 <thd> +1 13:52:16 <bgkriegel_> +1 13:52:17 <talljoy> +1 13:52:21 <edveal> +1 13:52:51 <tcohen> #agreed Thomas Dukleth ammendments to the CoC 13:53:19 <tcohen> #info CoC can be improved in future iterations 13:53:26 <tcohen> of course heh 13:53:37 <tcohen> #topic KohaCon14 13:54:08 <tcohen> #info KohaCon14 was a huge success for the local community, lots of universities 13:54:19 <thd> Maybe at some point someone will find some language to apply the wording to the mailing list etc. other than by some ambiguous invokation statement. 13:54:26 <paul_p> kohacon14 was awful. Very poor welcoming from argentinian ppl. Should we say more ? 13:54:28 <paul_p> :D :D :D 13:54:35 <tcohen> :-/ 13:54:36 <talljoy> lol 13:54:47 * talljoy is not sure who paul_p met.... 13:55:18 <tcohen> #actions Tomas will try to upload all presentations for the wiki 13:55:22 <paul_p> very small meat pieces in our plates, very cloudy weather. everything was wrong... 13:55:37 <thd> :) 13:55:39 <talljoy> naughty boy 13:55:46 <paul_p> (and a choir singing, oh my god, it was so awful...) 13:55:51 <tcohen> #action Tomas will try to upload all presentations for the wiki 13:56:14 * talljoy wonders who gave paul_p coffee this morning 13:56:26 <paul_p> talljoy reminder= I don't drink coffee ;-) 13:56:33 <talljoy> that's my point! 13:56:33 <tcohen> #action We are finishing the production of a short film about the Koha project/community history 13:56:34 <paul_p> and it's 4PM here 13:57:05 <tcohen> btw, bgkriegel_ we need to attend that interviews in 5 minutes 13:57:08 <paul_p> ok, back to being serious. 13:57:25 <bgkriegel_> yeah 13:57:25 <paul_p> in case there's any newbie here: I was kidding. It was wonderful ! 13:57:35 <tcohen> :-D 13:57:42 <barton> tcohen: that sounds cool... who is producing it? 13:57:49 <tcohen> barton: :-D 13:58:35 <paul_p> barton = I don't know, all what I know is that we've all been interviewed one by one. and at the end, we had some words to say, they'll probably make a patchwork from them 13:58:54 <talljoy> "I AM THE KOHA" 13:58:56 <paul_p> barton (I've been itw in french. the result will be funny...) 13:59:16 <tcohen> we are putting subtitles to it 13:59:35 <paul_p> I hope ;-) 13:59:46 <paul_p> next topic ? (tcohen: look at your watch) 13:59:48 * barton looks forward to seeing that. 13:59:53 <tcohen> barton: we appointed two proffesionals to make the video 14:00:07 <tcohen> #chair paul_p 14:00:07 <huginn> Current chairs: paul_p tcohen 14:00:10 <tcohen> :-D 14:00:13 <tcohen> already late! 14:00:19 <tcohen> #topic KohaCon15 14:00:21 <thd> :) 14:00:24 <paul_p> hey, no, I don't want to chair! 14:00:31 <talljoy> hahahahaha 14:00:38 <paul_p> (and I really don't know how to do it !!!) 14:00:38 <tcohen> bbl :-D 14:01:06 <thd> paul_p: There is almost nothing left. 14:01:09 <paul_p> KohaCon15, we've only one candidate, no news from them for some months. What should we do ? 14:01:34 <cait> i think write them an email :) 14:01:42 <paul_p> should we drop them an email to ask for confirmation of their application ? 14:01:54 <paul_p> ok, cait, we agree ;-) 14:02:00 <thd> Yes, exactly. 14:02:01 <paul_p> if you want, I'll do that. 14:02:20 <cait> that's ok for me 14:02:35 <paul_p> anyone objecting ? any objection ? 14:03:19 <paul_p> #action paul will drop a mail to nigerian candidate for KohaCon15, to check if they're still voluntering, as they're the only candidate, if they are, they win 14:03:22 <cait> #action paul_p is going to contact the Nigerian KohaCon15 applicants to get confirmation that they will organize KohaCon15 (no vote this year, as only one application) 14:03:32 <cait> heh :) 14:03:35 <thd> paul_p: type #action paul_p will send email asking only submitter about status of application for KohaCon15 14:04:04 <talljoy> i think we got that covered....in triplicate 14:04:13 <paul_p> next topic then: Actions from General IRC meeting 24 September 2014 14:04:53 <paul_p> I don't see any action. Am I missing something ? 14:04:56 <thd> paul_p: use #topic 14:05:03 <paul_p> talljoy I hope I won't forget ;-) 14:05:12 <paul_p> #topic Actions from General IRC meeting 24 September 2014 14:05:45 <paul_p> am I missing something ? 14:05:57 <paul_p> ... 3 14:05:58 <oleonard> I don't see anything paul_p 14:06:05 <paul_p> ... 2 14:06:17 <paul_p> ... 1 14:06:20 <paul_p> ok, next topic then 14:06:33 <paul_p> #topic Removing/amending "Preferably, patch writer and patch signer should not be from the same company or institution." 14:07:02 <paul_p> this topic has been discussed a lot in Cordoba, brendan wrote an email about the discussion on #koha-devel 14:07:18 <paul_p> any objection or comment ? 14:08:07 <paul_p> so let's vote ? 14:08:12 <talljoy> +1 14:08:16 <khall> +1 14:08:17 <barton> +1 14:08:20 <paul_p> +1 (of course) 14:08:36 <meliss> +1 14:08:39 <dani> +1 14:08:44 <oleonard> -1 14:08:51 <cait> 0 - but let's try and see 14:09:42 <edveal> +1 14:10:34 <paul_p> no other vote ? 14:10:47 * thd distracted 14:11:08 <paul_p> ok, adopted then. (someone will have to explain me how to express results in the minutes...) 14:11:34 <thd> paul_p: use #info I think 14:11:43 <cait> or #agreed 14:11:46 <talljoy> yes ^ 14:11:57 <thd> what cait wrote 14:12:06 <paul_p> #agreed amending patch workflow +1 = 7 votes, -1 = 1 vote, 0= 1 vote 14:12:12 <paul_p> (is it OK ?) 14:12:23 <paul_p> (properly written I mean) 14:12:43 <talljoy> try it in french.... 14:13:02 <paul_p> #topic Set time and date of next General IRC meeting 14:13:08 * thd is unclear exactly what the amendment is. 14:13:35 <paul_p> thd = (look at koha-devel, brendan's email) 14:13:38 <thd> adding or removing? 14:13:50 <cait> thd: it will be possible to do an internal sign off on a patch 14:13:53 <talljoy> amending a guideline 14:13:54 <barton> thd: removing. 14:14:05 <cait> thd: so one developer of a company develops the patch, another can sign it off 14:14:16 <oleonard> "Proposal for a change in guidelines for the sign-off process in the Koha-community" was the subject 14:14:22 <thd> That is what I had thought sadly ;( 14:14:50 <talljoy> thd can always be reverted if abused. 14:15:35 <thd> I understand the legitimate motivation for lack of time and attention from others. 14:15:38 <cait> that's what was agreed on 14:15:39 <paul_p> I've been the one promoting this change for the longest time. Believe me, I would be the 1st to propose to revert it if things goes wrong ! 14:15:42 <cait> and to revisit it every release 14:15:47 <talljoy> yes 14:16:09 <talljoy> paul_p how is the next meeting time selected? 14:16:18 <cait> i will also push back patches for a second sign off if i feel it needs another set of eyes (like we do now with big patches too) 14:16:31 <cait> we move by 8 hours backwards i think 14:16:34 <paul_p> talljoy usually -8 hours. So 5UTC 14:16:41 <talljoy> okay and the date? 14:16:47 <talljoy> 1 month forward? 14:16:54 <cait> yep, about a month forward 14:16:59 <cait> with some variation of the day 14:17:00 <paul_p> next meeting 5UTC, at which date ? nov 19th ? 14:17:15 <talljoy> no objection 14:17:18 <cait> close to release :) 14:17:24 <paul_p> yep. 14:17:27 <paul_p> close to release 14:17:31 <cait> sounds goot to me 14:17:32 <oleonard> Is 5UTC a good meeting time for a good number of people? 14:17:41 <talljoy> not i 14:17:43 <cait> need to check 14:17:44 <paul_p> oleonard kiwis like it, others don't ;-) 14:18:03 <paul_p> 5UTC will be 4AM here. 14:18:10 <talljoy> midnight or so for me 14:18:11 <paul_p> (in France I mean) 14:18:18 <cait> eek 14:18:23 <cait> so not a good time for europe 14:18:25 <paul_p> sorry, 6AM. not so bad, but not good either 14:18:36 <talljoy> not good for europe or north america 14:18:37 <cait> hm 6 would be ok, but are you sure? 14:18:40 <thd> When did we decide to rotate instead of two meeting times in the same day? 14:18:58 <oleonard> We didn't, that was the previous procedure. 14:18:59 <barton> that would be midnight US EST. 14:19:26 <oleonard> Two meeting times didn't seem to work because of low turnout in the second meeting? 14:19:28 <paul_p> I thought the 2 meeting times was for dev meetings. Am I wrong ? 14:19:42 <thd> oleonard: When did we decide to revert to the previous procedure? 14:20:20 <paul_p> (the 2nd chairman will also leave the keyboard soon... in 10mn max) 14:20:43 <thd> paul_p: No, before the last general meeting we had two times for the general meeting also. 14:20:50 <oleonard> I don't think we should choose a meeting time when none present will be able to attend. 14:21:19 <oleonard> I think we should propose a widely acceptable time and encourage those for whom it doesn't work to propose a second meeting (with volunteer chair) 14:21:22 <thd> Exactly, which is why was choose two different times for the same meeting. 14:22:10 <thd> s/was choose/we had been using/ 14:22:43 <thd> Is 5UTC widely acceptable? 14:23:30 <barton> no. 14:23:31 <paul_p> what about 8UTC ? Should be OK for kiwis, and OK for europe. not exactly 8h shift, but 5 14:23:46 <thd> 2 UTC was not widely acceptable and had led to empty meetings. 14:23:54 <talljoy> oleanard care to get up at 3am? 14:24:04 <paul_p> thd = it's wrong for everyone except aussies, kiwis, japan & china. But we have no chinese of japanese contributors... 14:24:09 <oleonard> talljoy: Nope 14:24:16 <talljoy> there is no such thing as a good time 14:24:32 <fridolin> sorry reboot 14:24:36 <talljoy> paul_p i say we go with the standard meeting protocol setting. 14:24:44 <talljoy> it's going to be bad for someone somewhere. 14:25:05 <paul_p> yep, I agree. 14:25:10 <thd> tallyjoy: which is why I thought two times seemed to be working much better than rotation. 14:25:19 <talljoy> i nominate you to host the second meeting then thd 14:25:49 <thd> Ok, I will host a second meeting on the date. 14:26:00 <thd> When should that be? 14:26:01 <talljoy> pick your time 14:26:02 <paul_p> nov 19th, then 14:26:25 <paul_p> 5UTC and ... (thd, pick your time) 14:26:43 <thd> What was the second time we had recently? 14:27:21 <thd> 22 UTC was it? 14:27:34 <talljoy> 22UTC it is on 11/19 14:27:57 <oleonard> That was the second time which was supposed to work for NZ 14:28:01 <paul_p> thd : UTC, it's 5 / 13 / 21 14:28:17 <paul_p> (8 hours difference x3) 14:29:04 <paul_p> thd ? 14:29:05 <wahanui> thd is probably concerned that CCL, Pazpar2, and Zebra support should not be an either that or Solr/Lucene option. We need CCL and Pazpar2 for metasearch and we currently need Zebra for a Z39.50/SRU server. or concerned that indentation styles which do not collapse in vim lead to overly long lines which cannot always be broken across multiple lines. 14:29:07 <thd> 21 UTC is also fine and might be better for local time adjustments. 14:29:57 <thd> I suggest both UTC 5 and UTC 21 on 19 Nov. 14:30:07 <barton> +1 14:30:22 <paul_p> #action next meeting november, 19th, will be made twice at 5UTC (chairman volunteer expected !) and 21UTC (thd chairing) 14:30:35 <paul_p> how do I declare the meeting end ? 14:30:45 <thd> paul #endmeeting 14:30:46 * paul_p newbie at chairing... 14:30:51 <paul_p> #endmeeting