21:09:58 #startmeeting General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014 21:09:58 Meeting started Wed Dec 17 21:09:58 2014 UTC. The chair is BobB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:09:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:09:58 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014' 21:10:03 right :) 21:10:31 #topic Introductions 21:10:32 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:10:35 #info chris c, catalyst, sorta here 21:10:39 #info Jesse Maseto BWS, USA 21:10:47 #info edveal BWS, USA 21:10:55 #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 21:10:58 #info Katrin Fischer BSZ - might fall asleep 21:11:23 #info Chrisopher Brannon, Coeur d'Alene, ID 21:11:28 #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek USA 21:11:43 #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA 21:11:56 Chris Rohde, Roseville, USA 21:12:38 hi all, any more? 21:13:01 #topic Announcements 21:13:42 #info This has been added to the agenda: 21:13:52 #info Please vote up this Library::Callnumber::LC bug which is related to these Koha callnumber symptoms. 21:14:05 any comments? 21:14:10 #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions 21:14:31 #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin 21:14:36 * barton scrolls back and finds adgenda wiki link. 21:14:56 I think the bug has been integrated now, so voting might no longer be necessary 21:15:17 cool, thx cait 21:15:36 any other announcements? 21:16:20 #topic Update on Releases 21:16:34 Any Release Maintainers here? 21:16:41 #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 21:17:04 i am 21:17:13 3.18.x is in string freeze 21:17:24 on course for an ontime release of 3.18.2 on the 22nd 21:17:27 I just added a section to the wiki page for the meeting “Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote “ 21:17:44 (sorry that is for later) 21:17:50 ok bag, will come to that 21:18:21 #info Chris Rohde, Roseville, CA USA 21:18:22 I haven't read the minutes of today's first meeting ... 21:18:36 there may be info there about the releases 21:18:41 nope 21:18:46 none of the RMaints were around 21:18:49 we were about 5 people 21:18:54 ah ok 21:18:59 I speculated the releases were still planned for 22nd :) 21:19:06 yep 21:19:16 mtj and fridolin have said in email they are releasing on the 22nd 21:19:22 so rangi 3.18.1 was a Security Release? 21:19:30 yep so was 3.16.5 21:19:41 3.18.2 wont have much different to 3.18.1 21:19:47 but will have updated translations 21:19:59 (dont get time do those for a security release) 21:20:04 And 3.14 is still being maintained? 21:20:31 yes thats fridolin 21:20:35 but it wasnt vulnerable 21:20:44 ok 21:21:12 #info Security releases of 3.16 and 3.18 have been made; 3.14 was not vulnerable 21:21:40 #info afawk, we are on track for next releases on 22 Dec 21:21:59 any more on Releases? 21:22:56 Changing topic: 21:23:41 #topic Road Map for Koha 21:24:18 Can anyone remember where we are up to on this? 21:24:21 I think we discussed that the way it could be published mostly 21:24:24 at the first meeting 21:24:47 wiki or website, linking them or summarizing 21:24:52 not much about the content so far I think 21:24:59 drojf: ? 21:25:26 that is all i remember, yes 21:25:37 can anyone find the link to last meeting minutes (November)? 21:25:43 having it in the wiki, summarizing on the website 21:26:22 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014 21:26:46 found it too, no actions, just ideas 21:27:28 IDEA: use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map 21:27:45 so, any further thoughts since? 21:28:00 We could throw some thoughts out now 21:28:09 yep 21:28:10 Like I want to see the OPAC really take a step forward 21:28:20 So what am I going to do 21:29:25 Starting with integratation of more Econtent into Koha OPAC ;) like gutenburg, overdrive, openlibrary etc etc - make it so that you can ingest all that into the search engine (and not via marc records) 21:29:36 Also Elastic Search - lets get that in 21:29:39 :D 21:29:56 Yea, we need elastic search 21:30:01 or do I still have to wait to throw ideas out there - until the next general meeting? 21:30:02 is there a plan to follow up on the pazpar2 patch ot integrate z39.50 searches? 21:30:23 sometimes you can't get the data itself, i liked the idea of that one :) 21:30:34 or it's just too much data to include in your catalog 21:30:37 cait for now we’ve abandon that since pazpar2 wasn’t stable with the way we did it 21:31:10 basically pianohacker came back and said he’d like to rewrite pazpar2 (and I said we don’t have time for that 21:31:11 hmm, too bad 21:31:19 but anyone anywhere can pick that up 21:32:12 but I really feel that the OPAC needs the next jump up 21:32:13 ok, so for the Road Map, the next steps would be ... 21:32:25 RDF linked data - we should all be pushing for that 21:32:38 I think we need a spot to list ideas BobB 21:32:47 someone create that spot and call to list ideas 21:32:49 to create the wiki page and start to populate it with these great ideas 21:33:10 then have someone curate it 21:33:41 so brainstorm possible contents, then have some discernment about what actually goes in, bag? 21:34:12 cait I’d like to bring that Z3950 one back up - it’s just that pianohacker currently has such limited Koha time (because of school) 21:34:27 but maybe a little more time on it and we’d be able to do something different with it 21:34:40 make it more stable 21:34:52 ok 21:35:35 bag I think you are suggesting a level of control on Road Map content that maybe won't be there always? 21:35:59 could be or not - but someone to organize it 21:36:00 If the Road Map exists, can't anyone update it for their new ideas? 21:36:22 so that way I’m not putting the same thing up there that rangi is (just using english versus new-zealand english) 21:36:40 everyone should be able to update it - I think someone should organize it 21:36:41 ;) 21:36:42 but sure a curator would be good to get rid of dead stuff and so on 21:37:05 Could that be the general Wiki Curator, if we get one? 21:37:14 yes please 21:37:46 ok, so why don't we create the Road Map page and get people to list stuff .... 21:38:27 there can then be discussions about the value or otherwise of what gets put forward 21:39:11 any contrary thoughts? 21:39:26 +1 21:39:47 +1 21:40:00 +1 21:40:07 those votes are in favour of creating the page? 21:40:10 +1 21:40:23 yes 21:40:27 (I'll assume so unless someone speaks otherwise) 21:41:02 so continue voting pls 21:41:04 +1 21:41:30 +1 21:41:37 +1 21:42:14 +1 21:42:27 all done? 21:42:34 #agreed In accordance with discussion at the November meeting, a wiki page for a Koha Road Map should be created 21:42:51 So is there a volunteer to do that? 21:43:25 who knows wiki? 21:44:15 I'll ask Magnus, else I can do it, ok? 21:44:32 works for me 21:44:55 #action BobB to find someone to create a Road Map wiki page, else do it himself 21:44:57 thank you 21:45:12 blah 21:45:19 next topic? 21:45:19 next topic is a tricky one... 21:46:02 #topic Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote 21:46:14 bag? 21:46:15 I LIKE BASEBALL 21:46:19 LOL 21:46:31 I LOVE BASEBALL 21:46:42 ok here is most of it 21:46:43 http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Proposal-for-fund-raising-for-Koha-to-discuss-vote-at-December-General-Meeting-td5821688.html 21:46:44 what about fundraising? 21:47:00 I’m just really looking for a — YES go for it - NO don’t do it 21:47:27 so is the question 'that the meeting endorses the discussion paper'? 21:47:31 Right now we’ve got the HLT ready to be the place that can accept donations (NPO) 21:47:44 yes BobB that’s really the gist of it 21:48:13 any questions folks? 21:48:24 or I'll take it to a vote 21:48:29 my main thing is we should try to avoid people scope creeping it 21:48:32 So YES do it - then I think me and some others (I need help). Will really have to write a full spec/proposal 21:48:34 lets start small 21:48:37 and then come back to it 21:48:49 +1 21:49:00 +1 21:49:03 and just a place to accept donations .. before we start adding a pile of complexity like targeting donations etc 21:49:11 rangi, you don't want a Mellon applicaton next week? 21:49:13 if its that then im +1 21:49:18 agreed 21:49:30 +1 21:49:33 BobB: not if they get to tell the community how it has to be spent :) 21:49:46 ok hold those votes just a mo' 21:49:55 so 21:49:57 rangi: agreed 21:50:12 OK, the question is: 21:50:15 +1 #for starting a small no strings attached donation/distribution idea 21:50:36 I think first let’s get the structure in place (IE click here to donate)… 21:50:41 yep 21:50:57 +1 for full spec/proposal 21:51:04 2. pursue a few koha support companies for some monies 21:51:25 3. use money for sign-offs from a non-support company person 21:51:49 that is what your paper sets out bag, iirc 21:52:04 build more structure after that - while working with the community 21:52:08 yes BobB 21:52:09 ;) 21:52:22 so we are saying one step at a time, then go for it 21:52:33 ok I’m going to pull back for a bit and let you all talk (I’m not voting either) 21:52:53 yep 21:53:02 +1 for the paper/spec 21:53:32 So I'll call for the vote: that the meeting endorses Brendan's paper on fund raising 21:53:47 Vote now please 21:53:48 +1 21:53:49 +1 21:53:57 +1 21:54:00 +1 21:54:01 +1 21:54:02 +1 21:54:41 all done? 21:55:18 #agreed The meeting endorsed the paper by Brendan on Fund Raising for the Koha project 21:55:28 sweet :D 21:55:45 #action bag to implement step 1 of the proposed strategy 21:55:52 OK? 21:55:59 hey Jo we have some work to bring back to the community ;) BobB you’re up too ;) 21:56:00 heh 21:56:14 :) 21:56:58 done on that topic? 21:57:13 I'm going to combine the next two topics 21:57:33 #topic Wiki Curator and Communications Manager 21:57:45 right, but I'm sorry, the dog ate my homework 21:58:02 i think thd wrote a proposal 21:58:14 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth 21:58:27 but no bites for coms 21:59:18 there is also some kind of objection in the discussion http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth 21:59:27 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth 21:59:29 hmm no bits for coms :( can we try for one more month? 21:59:49 i think would need to send a new email 22:00:07 (that was most of this mornings meeting) 22:00:28 or, like, first part of the meeting, not necessarily morning for you ^^ 22:00:38 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth 22:00:49 (just getting those links into the minutes) 22:01:53 ok, I think from the Nov. meeting I had actions about advertising those roles,, let me check 22:02:32 BobB: I just asked nengard_afk to do a blast to our partners 22:02:33 confirmed 22:02:34 yes, that is correct 22:03:18 well, if the role is controversial, its just as well I haven't done that 22:03:23 hmm MRenvoize comments don’t seem that bad to me - perhaps we should give sometime for thd to comment back? I move to not vote on this at this time 22:03:38 sounds right bag 22:04:03 I propose we defer this till next meeting, to allow the discussion to progress 22:04:14 and perhaps some more volunteers 22:04:16 they (and all of us) agreed to a group approach for the wiki. that is as far as we could get 22:04:49 i do think it needs an upgrade and get back to stock, then figure out what extensions we need, i agree with ashimema there 22:05:11 as for the technical side… i think we should … yep what rangi says ^^ 22:06:00 I am suggesting the January meeting could make that decision, then we advertise 22:06:21 yeah agreeing with rangi 22:06:38 i think simplifying, getting back to stock, would help us maintaining long term 22:07:24 ok, I am at a disadvantage here, as I've not read either submission 22:07:35 does someone want to propose a motion? 22:07:42 can we vote on upgrade now? OR do we not have anyone that could do the upgrade? 22:08:05 I see two BobB 22:08:06 i dont think we have anyone who has the time to do it at the moment 22:08:13 as far as i understood upgrading as it is is rather complicated 22:08:33 1 - move vote/more discussion to next meeting and Ask for more volunteers now (re advertise) 22:08:34 as in takes time 22:08:45 2 - upgrade now - but who does it? 22:10:07 bag,clarifying motion 1: you say re-advertise, but it hasn't been advertised yet? 22:10:21 ok take out the RE part 22:10:22 ;) 22:10:32 I think Thomas is interested, but he was in the discussion in Nov 22:10:40 i thought there was an email 22:10:43 but i might be wrong 22:10:54 I think cbrannon said there was an email 22:11:03 not from me, and I had carriage from the last meeting 22:11:13 cbrannon: if you have the subject of the email we can find it in nabble 22:11:16 @bag: that was something else 22:11:16 cbrannon: I suck 22:11:37 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/36732 22:12:39 #link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/36732 22:12:56 that wasn't meant to be an advert, at the time 22:13:38 ok, so this does not become too long tonight: 22:14:06 BobB: can you advertise this? 22:14:28 I propose an amendment to bag's first motion: 22:14:45 1 - move vote/more discussion to next meeting and Ask for more volunteers now: then advertise the role on the mailing list 22:15:22 +1 22:15:24 Pls vote (+1 or -1) 22:15:39 +1 22:15:51 +1 22:16:08 +1 22:16:33 any more? 22:16:54 +1 22:17:26 #agreed To move discussion of wiki curation to next meeting and to call for volunteers now 22:17:53 by the 'role' we're talking about a coordinator of a team of volunteers 22:18:11 so we're saying ask volunteers to come forward, 22:18:45 and we'll sort out who the coordinator will be and exactly what the role is at/after the next meeting 22:18:54 Done? 22:19:02 i think so 22:19:11 yes 22:19:36 Re the Comms Manager, I want to liaise with the newsletter editors to make sure they understand they are not being made redundant ... 22:20:02 yeah good idea 22:20:08 before that role is advertised, so can we kick that to January meeting also? 22:20:14 sounds good 22:21:03 #action BobB to prepare ground for decisions to be taken in January re wiki curation and Comms Manager 22:21:43 #topic KohaCon15 22:21:53 I think Olug is not here? 22:22:08 any updates anyone? 22:22:13 yep 22:22:34 they are working on the costings of food/lodging etc and will update us all when they know 22:22:49 they are already getting lots of nigerian librarians asking when can they register 22:23:20 so things sound on track 22:23:47 thanks rangi 22:23:52 nice 22:24:54 #topic Actions from Nov meeting 22:25:31 can someone check the minutes of meeting #1 in Nov? 22:25:50 there was only one action from meeting #2 and we've dealt with it 22:26:19 BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles 22:26:26 thats the only one from meeting 1 22:26:42 adding a note/link to the kc website about kohacon15 22:26:45 and we've dealt with that 22:26:52 is the only other one 22:27:08 Is that one done, re Koha Con? 22:27:29 i think so 22:27:37 cool, thx 22:27:38 http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ 22:27:39 yes 22:27:47 #topic Next Meeting 22:28:17 it seems that splitting the meeting does not work very well 22:28:58 the first meeting is kind of a lesser one, with lots of "well we have to see about the second meeting", second meeting attendees don't read the minutes of the first 22:29:17 and strange people like myself end up having the meeting twice 22:29:48 yeah i think maybe going back to rotating the time might be better 22:30:10 +1 for rotating, maybe leaving out the 3rd "evil" time that did not attract many people 22:30:11 the idea was to enable more people to attend, but the benefit is maybe marginal 22:30:13 I agree with that 22:30:14 i think 2utc 22:30:21 +1 for rotating 22:30:43 ok hold on, let me put the question 22:31:19 Does the meeting agree to revert to rotating times and to have only one meeting per month? 22:31:24 Vote now pls 22:31:27 +1 22:31:41 +1 22:31:48 +1 22:32:03 +1 22:32:41 any more? 22:33:30 #agreed There will be only one meeting per month: times will be rotated to promote best possible attendance 22:33:49 so is January 14th too soon for next meeting? 22:34:00 Jan 21 is near a release date 22:34:10 14th is fine 22:34:26 +1 for 14th 22:34:31 who wants to suggest the time? 22:34:36 +1 22:35:10 + 22:35:13 how about 20UTC ? 22:35:32 actually 22:35:43 10UTC 22:36:00 Vote please on next meeting is January 14th at 10 UTC 22:36:10 hmm that might be too late for the americans, i dunno 22:36:20 * bag checking timesw 22:36:23 you mean 10 P;¡ 22:36:26 PM? 22:36:35 hold the vote please while bag checks 22:36:57 tcohen the proposal is 10 UTC 22:37:02 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20150114T10 22:37:38 it'll be a civilised after dinner time for me 22:37:59 yeah it’s a bit early but that’s cool I love getting up early :) and the ginny pie can join me 22:38:06 thanks drojf 22:38:13 I think I can get up that early once a month 22:38:14 -1 22:38:15 :-D 22:38:23 No objections? Then the proposal is 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC 22:38:24 New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13362: translate script creates dirs on update  / Bug 13375: Syspref search highlight styling broken in Chrome  / BUG 13468: Overdue notice lists all checked out books  / Bug 13451: Holidays.t assumes default data  / Bug 13398: rotating collections scripts are skipped on install  / Bug 13428: Fix regression on deleting facets 22:38:29 Vote no w please 22:38:34 +1 22:38:39 +1 22:38:55 -1 22:39:11 +1 22:39:32 #agreed The next meeting will be held on 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC 22:39:33 where do u live cbrannon ? 22:39:42 -1 22:39:47 anything else? 22:39:48 North Idaho. That's 2am for me. 22:39:59 but just cause I say no - doesn’t mean it’s not possible ;) 22:40:01 heh 22:40:36 would Feb meeting be at a better PST time? 22:40:37 oh dear, any motion for recission of that last agreement? 22:40:50 rohdechris: yeah we rotate it 22:41:08 It is of course not possible to ahve a time convenient world wide 22:41:17 the next one most likely around 18UTC 22:41:32 in feb 22:41:38 perhaps if we all syncronized our clocks to one time? ;) 22:41:46 If there is no motion for recission I will close the meeting 22:42:03 that makes feb 10 am PST--sounds fair to me 22:42:25 #endmeeting