21:02:25 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 27 September 2017 21:02:25 Meeting started Wed Sep 27 21:02:25 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:02:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:02:25 The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_27_september_2017' 21:02:37 #topic Introductions 21:02:37 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:02:51 #info Nick Clemens,ByWater Solutions 21:03:01 #info Tomas Cohen Arazi 21:03:23 #info Marc VĂ©ron, Switzerland 21:04:34 joubu cait marcelr khall fridolin 21:05:10 bueller? 21:05:45 tcohen, mveron - should we push this if just us? 21:06:09 I don't think so :-) 21:06:39 I mean reschedule for next week and drum up more attendees 21:06:50 rangi? 21:06:50 I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 21:07:12 I think we should re-schedule, but this doesn't look good to me :-D 21:07:25 Let's wait some minutes and then re-schedule... 21:07:32 I'd say same day same time next week if no one shows up 21:07:43 agreed 21:07:43 kk - lets give them til 21:15? 21:07:50 +1 21:07:51 yup 21:07:52 +1 21:08:05 * kidclamp goes to youtube 21:09:17 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:09:34 hi cait 21:09:42 ooops 21:11:00 hi cait 21:11:09 * mveron waves to cait 21:11:45 quorum? 21:11:46 i guess quorum is 4 21:11:50 alright 21:12:09 not sure next week would be better 21:12:19 cait: elaborate :-D 21:12:32 #info Jon Knight, Loughborough Uni 21:12:39 hi Jon! 21:12:42 :) 21:12:43 Hi! 21:12:49 maybe i am proven wrong 21:13:00 rangi, wizzyrea, dcook 21:13:15 too busy at work sorry, and wizzyrea is on annual leave 21:13:57 #info Alex Buckley, Wellington NZ 21:14:04 rangi: too bad, hope to have you around soon! 21:16:09 Hi 21:16:29 Hi! 21:16:41 #topic Announcements 21:16:56 Anyone have anything? 21:17:05 Not from me. 21:17:10 Documentation IRC meeting tomorrow 21:17:25 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_28_September 21:17:43 #info Documentation meeting tomorrow, 22UTC 21:18:40 There's a scheduled QA sprint next friday 21:18:56 yup, on agenda 21:18:57 people could join and make it a GBSD 21:19:00 ah, sorry 21:19:02 agenda? 21:19:03 i guess agenda is a wiki 21:19:04 also on agenda :-) 21:19:10 #topic Update from the Release manager (17.11) 21:19:28 Joubu isn't here but read 'what's on' 21:19:59 #link https://koha-community.org/whats-on-in-koha-devel-15/ 21:20:06 tcohen can you talk jenkins? 21:20:12 ok 21:20:37 The Mojolicious version change and new deps for the REST api 21:20:48 made our jenkins setup unsustainable 21:21:00 in order to avoid breaking the testing env for stable branches 21:21:15 the infrastructure has been dockerized 21:21:27 this means the tests run on a docker container 21:21:42 which is quite similar to what happens in kohadevbox 21:21:59 #info jenkins got borked, joubu and tcohen dockerized it and made it more awesome, you should thank them 21:22:02 we went even further, and created dockerized images tasks for the stable branches 21:22:17 tcohen++ Joubu++ 21:22:19 Thank you! :-) 21:22:26 so everything is running in docker and while there are some issues 21:22:33 we've learned quite a lot 21:22:40 tcohen++ 21:22:41 and things look great right now 21:22:43 joubu++ 21:22:50 tcohen++ Joubu++ 21:23:05 #link https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2017-September/049092.html Release date published 21:23:14 done 21:23:25 thank you 21:23:46 ah 21:23:51 #info SO queue is growing and there are majors, please give attention 21:24:01 #link https://github.com/tomascohen/koha-testing-docker 21:24:06 there are some cool things in signed off... hope qa will be able to qa on time :) 21:24:28 #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 21:24:36 cait, the floor is yours 21:24:57 we are trying to refine the process a bit 21:25:04 being more coordinated :) 21:25:13 otherwise nothing new, releases will happen 21:26:10 #info cait and maintainer are refining processes, distilling awesomeness, expect releases to keep happening 21:26:34 #topic Updates from the QA team 21:27:00 #info QA Sprint Day Friday, September 29 21:27:13 All hands on deck to help out and test and move things along 21:27:20 make sure to read your bug notifications 21:27:41 set QA contact when reviewing bugs to prevent duplication 21:27:42 * mveron will be travelling, sorry 21:27:53 mveron: you can do it in advance :-D 21:27:59 :-) 21:28:00 * kidclamp is at a training but will do his best 21:28:18 Anyone else to add? 21:28:45 Good to see the ILL stuff coming along. 21:29:51 #info bug 7347 is of interest 21:29:51 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7347 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, dontmerge preference description wrong 21:29:57 #info bug 7317 is of interest 21:29:57 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Signed Off , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC 21:30:00 oops 21:30:05 #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 21:30:10 In an article I've written for this months newsletter about a research project of automated regression testing tools, I asked developers to please test a whole bunch of selenium tests I have written to extend the Koha selenium test suite from just basic_workflow.t to testing most of the core Koha functionality I'd just like to re-iterate that it would be awesome if any of you can please test those, so I can make alterations (if 21:30:11 necessary)and hopefully get them into Koha 17.11 21:30:24 heh, sorry alex 21:31:06 alexbuckley: bug number? 21:31:06 #info read the latest koha newletter for added selenium tests and see if we can get them moving 21:31:10 ah 21:31:11 ok 21:31:42 maybe it is time to integrate Selenium to kohadevbox 21:31:42 who wants to volunteer to organize gbsd? 21:31:46 alexbuckley++ 21:31:51 alexbuckley++ 21:31:57 alexbuckley++ 21:32:12 alexbuckley++ 21:32:41 bugs 18974, 19181, 19182, 19183, 19184, 19185, 19189, 19243, 19330, 19330 and more to come :) 21:32:52 GBSD? volunteer someone who isn't here?:-D 21:33:03 we are probably going to do a documentation sprint too at some point 21:33:19 kidclamp: can u explain what it involves? 21:33:38 tcohen: making a wiki page, announcing it 21:33:46 running the gbsd account for th eday 21:33:49 sending emails, wiki page, tweeting if you want to be realy excited 21:33:53 being around :) 21:34:00 banging the koha drum 21:34:23 playing Koha Piano Concerto No. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1jAOMfyY2Q 21:34:24 usually good to poke the sandbox providers as well 21:34:56 I'll be around to help anyone organizing 21:35:01 eating the koha dog food? https://jet.com/product/detail/525506c48b7c421c87d543871eb43944?jcmp=pla:ggl:nj_cons_gen_pet_supplies_a2:pet_supplies_dog_supplies_dog_food_a2:na:PLA_751164444_37510663857_pla-326056159867:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&pid=kenshoo_int&c=751164444&is_retargeting=true&clickid=79bb301a-0487-44c1-81f2-317b248bbcf8 21:35:23 playing the koha ice hockey? 21:36:31 presumably we want itsoon? so qa can catch up? 21:37:09 maybe Oct 11 or that week? 21:37:43 #info kidclamp will send an email to lists to start organizing GBSD in october 21:38:04 #topic Review of coding guidelines 21:38:16 I'm happy to do any tweeting required. 21:38:51 To add to Commit messages: 21:38:51 Commit messages must start with "Bug XXXXX: " 21:38:51 Commit messages must be a short explanation of what the patch does (not what the bug is) 21:38:51 follow-up patches could start with "Bug XXXXX: (follow-up)" or "Bug XXXXX: (QA follow-up)" (if written by QA team) 21:38:53 follow-up patches must be squashed if not signed-off yet, and the history is not needed 21:38:55 Commit messages must not refer to bug tracker comment numbers 21:38:57 bug report title must be a short explanation of what the bug is 21:39:29 thanks greenjimll 21:39:52 Jonathan proposed standardizing commit messages as pasted in above 21:40:02 any comments or would people like to vote? 21:40:07 just want to remind that these changes will only affect git 21:40:16 for nice release notes, titles in bugzilla have to be nice 21:40:33 Why does the commit message need to start with "Bug XXXX"? 21:40:43 so that the tools pick them up right 21:40:54 git bz, release notes tool etc 21:41:03 makes git log nice too, so you know where to find info 21:41:03 it starts with the bug number, greenjimll 21:41:39 OK 21:42:14 gonna call for vote 21:42:47 lets vote! 21:42:57 #startvote Should we adopt the commit message guidelines as outlined in the agenda? 21:42:57 Begin voting on: Should we adopt the commit message guidelines as outlined in the agenda? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 21:42:57 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 21:43:03 #vote YES 21:43:08 #vote Ye 21:43:13 #vote Yes 21:43:14 #vote Yes 21:43:25 #vote Yes 21:43:28 too late thd, you cannot vote :-P 21:43:48 tcohen is not chair, ignore him 21:43:53 #vote abstain 21:43:53 hahaha 21:43:54 :-b 21:45:07 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - [babysitting and mostly missing the meeting] 21:45:58 #endvote 21:45:58 Voted on "Should we adopt the commit message guidelines as outlined in the agenda?" Results are 21:46:27 i broke huginn 21:46:35 This is like waiting for Eurovision results. 21:46:52 #info results are 3 yes, 1 abstain 21:47:11 i count 4 yes i tihnk :) 21:47:24 kidclamp: tcohen greenjimll mveron 21:47:27 #info results are 4 yes, 1 abstain 21:47:38 We broke kidclamp too. ;-) 21:47:41 * kidclamp didn't count kidclamp 21:48:00 #topic Set time of next meeting 21:48:08 not hard to do greenjimll 21:49:04 two weeks is Oct 11 - 14utc 21:49:05 can we do it in 3 weeks? 21:49:12 works for me 21:49:13 ah, better 2 weeks 21:49:24 I was trying to remember when the release is 21:50:24 When is GBSD? Is that on Oct 11th too? 21:50:38 could be 21:50:53 no harm in having on same day (may get us more attendees) :-) 21:51:08 meetings are always weds - gbsd canbe any day 21:51:08 * mveron agrees 21:51:16 make it a gbsd attraction 21:51:27 sounds good to me 21:51:30 May as well have them on the same day - promote both at the same time. 21:51:37 hey all 21:51:38 #info Next meeting: 11 October 2017, 14 UTC 21:51:41 hi aleisha_ 21:52:19 oops did i just jump in on a meeting 21:52:32 just barely :-) 21:52:44 last call before i close it :-) 21:53:55 #endmeeting