14:01:45 #startmeeting General IRC meeting 14 November 2018 14:01:45 Meeting started Wed Nov 14 14:01:45 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:45 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_14_november_2018' 14:01:56 #topic Introductions 14:01:59 no-one added their name 14:02:05 #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:02:06 #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 14:02:16 #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 14:02:17 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 14:02:40 * magnuse gotta run in 30 minutes 14:02:43 #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 14:02:57 this should be quick, this was just to elect 18.05 maint and translation manager 14:03:17 * oleonard waves to 3AM in New Zealand 14:03:36 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.05 14:03:52 davidnind++ 14:04:23 waves, sleepily 14:04:25 Is fridolin here? 14:04:33 yep 14:04:48 #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 14:04:52 #topic Announcements 14:05:04 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_14_November_2018 Agenda 14:05:06 * fridolin current RMaint 17.11.x 14:05:23 #info feature freeze is here, fix all the bugs! 14:05:26 David have a coffe or a bier 14:05:28 anyone else? 14:05:47 I would like to announce that I'd like to get signoffs on a couple of bugs with simple fixes: Bug 21813 and Bug 21814 14:05:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21813 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In-page JavaScript causes error on patron entry page 14:05:47 tea? 14:05:48 haha 14:05:49 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21814 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , System preferences save button can be hidden by language menu 14:05:50 +1 14:05:55 fix all th things 14:06:11 I think those two could make the release if we get them tested. 14:07:03 release notes are being rebuilt regularly now.. so point out the errors and lets get cleaning those up too 14:07:22 #topic Update on releases 14:07:33 fridolin ashimema 14:07:42 #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:08:36 sorry.. someone dragged me to the door 14:08:39 bloomin cold caller 14:08:59 right.. no updated from me past what we said last week 14:09:06 manically catching up on the queue but as fast as I empty mine you fill it back up kidclamp ;) 14:09:20 jenkins broken on 17.11.x but its from jenkins 14:10:04 otherwise nothing special 14:10:39 and I am just polishing the release etc. thanks to all for hard work in getting things fixed and ready to go 14:11:04 #info stable releases continue, master is being prepared for release 14:11:34 #topic Roles for 19.05 - 18.05 Rmaint and translation manager 14:12:33 #info Jonathan Druart 14:12:49 Indranil has volunteered if bernardo isn't around and bernardo said he would go if no one else does - so we elect them both? 14:12:57 :-) 14:13:20 for 18.05 JesseM and lukeG volunteered with Kyle backing them up 14:13:23 sounds like a plan to me.. spread the load 14:14:29 * ashimema thinks kidclamp has been bullying colleagues 😉 14:14:52 little old me? 14:15:13 yes, both sounds good to me 14:15:24 Bernardo needs to share his knowledges 14:15:53 ok, ready to vote then? 14:16:07 I vote we vote 14:17:05 go for it 14:17:49 #startvote Do we accept the 19.05 roles for 18.05 Rmaint and Translation manager teams as listed on the wiki page roles for 19.05? Yes, No, Abstain 14:17:49 Begin voting on: Do we accept the 19.05 roles for 18.05 Rmaint and Translation manager teams as listed on the wiki page roles for 19.05? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 14:17:49 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:17:54 #vote Yes 14:17:57 #vote yes 14:17:59 #vote Yes 14:18:02 #vote Yes 14:18:06 #vote Yes 14:18:06 #vote yes 14:18:24 "as listed" :) when? what was listed? 14:18:34 they are listed there now 14:18:47 it got listed just before he wrote the vote ;) 14:18:54 * ashimema refreshed to check 14:19:20 heh, you voted before asking 14:19:24 last call 14:19:25 As listed -- Oh no kidclamp is now dictator for life! 14:19:41 bwahahahahahaa 14:19:50 so Indranil is not on the list 14:19:50 #endvote 14:19:50 Voted on "Do we accept the 19.05 roles for 18.05 Rmaint and Translation manager teams as listed on the wiki page roles for 19.05?" Results are 14:19:50 Yes (6): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, oleonard, ashimema, kidclamp 14:20:06 he is, they are both listed for translation manager 14:20:16 * oleonard starts growing the now mandatory handlebar mustache 14:20:17 * ashimema just saw kidclamps job title at bywater and giggled 14:20:23 #chair Joubu 14:20:23 Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp 14:21:10 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_18.11 14:21:21 "Translation Manager " 14:21:28 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.05 14:21:38 * Joubu hides 14:21:44 lol, sorry 14:21:57 heh 14:22:11 congratulations (condolences) to all 14:22:21 already 19.05! 14:22:39 you want to introduce a new topic Joubu/ 14:22:50 I would like to add more confusion, yes 14:23:05 #topic just yet another topic 14:23:15 hah 14:23:27 maybe it does not make sense, but I am wondering if we should add a "rule" in the community 14:23:30 about the ML 14:24:00 should not we ask people to contact Koha developers *before* sending advertisement on the list? 14:24:29 context? 14:24:32 if they do not, we could send a standard message saying that this tool/app/stuff is unknown by us and that we do not recommend using it 14:24:52 "Koha opac" app, for instance 14:25:14 yeah.. I'd be happy with that 14:25:39 I seem important to warn the user that we have no idea what these stuffs are 14:25:42 It* 14:25:47 How would we define 'advertisement?' 14:26:00 How would we police it? 14:26:13 we couldn't really 14:27:06 when Koha is written "KOHA" could be a first validation step 14:27:09 I like protecting users, I don't like the idea of trying to limit posts 14:27:19 it's not limiting post 14:27:47 it's just: either or contact us first, or we will reply with a standard message to tell people we do not know what it is 14:27:53 I'm not sure about a rule preventing posts.. 14:28:10 but I equaly don't have an issue with some clause saying that nothing said on the list is endorsed by the list 14:28:17 it happened 3x this year. Sometimes it's free software, other times it's not 14:28:35 what will we do when they contact us? 14:28:44 [off] when it was free software the code was potentially dangerous 14:28:45 And who is "us" ? 14:28:51 koha-devel 14:29:15 I am not asking to take a decision know, just asking if it makes sense first 14:29:23 then if we should think about it 14:29:53 I think a clause saying we don't endorse the list makes sense, and maybe a response to say that we don't endorse products and user should be awar who tey are installing from 14:30:01 [off] the idea could also be to prevent regional battles on the list 14:31:05 are there guidelines for the list somewhere? 14:31:22 I do not think so 14:31:52 Not on the signup page 14:32:14 I think this should be a list discussion maybe? I don't think we have enough people here, I am more for general guidelines about posts, but then we need moderators 14:32:44 yes sure, I wanted to launch the discussion, nothing more :) 14:32:50 Joubu++ 14:33:09 Joubu++ 14:33:31 we could also have other things, like: if you want to report a bug, answer the following questions: 1. Koha version, 2. exact error message, etc. 14:34:32 ML guidelines/code of conduct would be good.. I wouldn't advocate any official moderation but rather if anyone feels sometihng goes against the guidlnes, make a case and discuss and one of the general meetings before a ban or similar 14:34:35 * oleonard would favor an automated rule rejecting posts which were cross-posted to more than one list 14:34:35 yes, and something about "You found a security bug? please do not post instructions on exploiting it to the public list" 14:35:16 #action Joubu will send an email to the mailing lists about setting guidelines for the mailing lists 14:35:23 #topic Next meeting 14:36:05 Dece,mber 5, 2018, 20 UTC? 14:36:25 +1 14:36:51 +1 14:36:58 i did three weekes since this was a 'bonus' meeting 14:37:12 +1 14:37:15 do not mess the next meeting info! :D 14:37:27 we love our meetings :) 14:37:30 lol 14:38:01 #info Next meeting: 5 December 2018, 20 UTC 14:38:22 last chance to be recorded for posterity 14:38:52 #endmeeting