14:03:54 <kidclamp> #startmeeting https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_19_September_2018
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14:04:16 <kidclamp> #topic Introductions
14:04:18 <tcohen> #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:04:21 <oleonard> #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:04:29 <ashimema> #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:04:29 <kidclamp> #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:04:37 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:04:38 <cc_> #info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe
14:04:55 * ashimema won't be around for long.. school run in a few minutes
14:05:28 <kidclamp> #topic Announcements
14:06:24 <kidclamp> #info Kohacon was awesome! many patches moved, new developer added (shortly) and much fun
14:06:30 <kidclamp> any other announcements?
14:07:05 <kidclamp> #meetingtopic Development IRC meeting 19 September 2018
14:07:50 <kidclamp> #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11)
14:08:10 <kidclamp> Pushing things, it is September will announce freeze dates soon
14:08:19 <tcohen> kidclamp++
14:08:24 <kidclamp> Jonathan reminded me to generate pre-release notes, so those have been update
14:08:49 <kidclamp> there are still many things I want for 18.11 - please hit ES patches asw much as possible, plus stock rotation and mana
14:09:05 <kidclamp> if anyone has anything else they are keen on please let me know
14:09:09 <ashimema> stock rotation++
14:09:25 <tcohen> mana++
14:09:55 <kidclamp> I will mention we discussed ES at Kohacon - there are indexing patches which move away from Catmandu for indexing and we have agreed to move forwward with these
14:10:07 <ashimema> be nice to get the staff shibboleth off the table.. it's been around for a while
14:10:14 <kidclamp> +1
14:10:31 <ashimema> +1
14:10:46 <kidclamp> bug 12027
14:10:46 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12027 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Shibboleth authentication for staff client
14:10:59 <kidclamp> @later tell matts please look at bug 12027
14:10:59 <huginn`> kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
14:11:31 <kidclamp> #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:11:34 <ashimema> :)
14:11:42 <kidclamp> ashimema, fridolin
14:11:44 * ashimema that would make me very happy
14:11:55 <kidclamp> we have been using it in production for ages
14:12:09 <ashimema> #info Next 18.05.x stable release scheduled for 24th
14:12:34 <ashimema> us too ;)
14:12:37 <ashimema> just needs that final qa stamp
14:12:53 <ashimema> been pushed steadily keeping up with bugfixes in master.
14:12:53 <ashimema> that's all from me
14:13:07 <kidclamp> okay, moving on
14:13:14 <ashimema> didn't see Fridolin join.. so..
14:13:21 <kidclamp> #topic Updates from the QA team
14:13:23 <ashimema> #info Next 17.11.x release scheduled for 26th
14:13:27 <ashimema> done his too ;)
14:13:42 * ashimema has to run off on school pickup.. will watch from phone
14:14:02 <kidclamp> no cait - she says she loves all your patches, get them signed off and she will pass qa :-b
14:14:19 <kidclamp> jk
14:14:43 <kidclamp> they have been working hard, she will get her emails out again next week i believe - anyone else form QA have something to add?
14:15:06 <oleonard> QA++
14:16:51 <kidclamp> #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:17:07 <kidclamp> anyone have something?
14:17:10 <ashimema> fix all the things
14:17:13 * ashimema runs away
14:18:01 <kidclamp> kyle has been working on the new sandbox system suing docker - it was battle tested at kohacon and has omproved
14:18:13 <kidclamp> tomas is working on some fixes for kohadevbox
14:18:21 <khall> #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:18:24 <kidclamp> our tools are getting better and easier :-)
14:18:31 <tcohen> #info koha-testing-docker https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker
14:18:53 <khall> #info koha-sandboxes-docker https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-sandboxes-docker
14:18:56 <thd> "suing docker" is best ;)
14:19:03 <kidclamp> checkout the repo and submit issues-fixes
14:19:06 <kidclamp> heh
14:19:22 <cc_> I was wondering - Koha.pm's normalize_isbn subroutine normalizes to 10 chars should we be looking at moving that to 13-digits in future?
14:19:25 <tcohen> #info live new sandboxes: http://sb1.sandboxes.bywatersolutions.com/
14:20:26 <kidclamp> cc_ makes sense, I think there are valid 13 digit that don't convert now? also I think we use Business::ISBN for all of that - has it been updated>
14:20:54 <kidclamp> i don't know if there are external sites we use that require 10 though
14:21:18 <thd> ISBN 10 should not be "converted" to ISBN 13.
14:21:35 <thd> We need both ISBN 10 and ISBN 13.
14:22:15 <thd> ISBN is no longer a single value it is a multiplicity of values.
14:22:20 <kidclamp> yes thd, not converting in record, but we 'normalize' to have a standard version to use when coding
14:22:51 <cc_> I'm certainly finding more and more using ISBN-13 we can generate 10 versions from it
14:23:19 <cc_> and for record matching
14:23:55 <kidclamp> bug 14287
14:23:55 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Preserve valid ISBN-13 identifiers if they start with something else than 978
14:24:27 <kidclamp> bug 15772
14:24:27 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15772 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetNormalizedISBN returns a 10 digit ISBN - should return 13
14:24:39 <kidclamp> bug 9500
14:24:39 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9500 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , GetNormalizedISBN only ever checks the first populated ISBN field
14:25:02 <kidclamp> moving on
14:25:08 <thd> I have not looked at the record matching code in a long time.  Matching values precisely with or without ISBN is a fundamental mistake for record matching.
14:25:39 <ashimema> Business::ISBN doesn't try to keep up with all valid isbns btw.. would could be shipping out own up to date XML config map file with koha to get it right more
14:25:45 <ashimema> But that's a side issue
14:26:01 <thd> We should use the combination of ISBN 10 and 13 but with a low weight for ISBN.
14:26:23 <kidclamp> thd - that's why everyone can make their own rules  :-)
14:26:35 <kidclamp> cc_ if you find more relevant bugs or file one let me know
14:26:43 <kidclamp> #topic Review of coding guidelines
14:26:50 <kidclamp> I don't think we have anything for today
14:27:14 <cc_> Looks like 15772 may need prodding
14:27:16 <ashimema> Agrre
14:27:50 <thd> Last time I looked matching values for record matching was an all or nothing with no provision for weighting but maybe that has changed.
14:28:17 <kidclamp> #topic Set time of next meeting
14:28:53 <kidclamp> You can set threshhold and scores for matching thd, I think they work correctly
14:29:10 <thd> Thanks for updating me.
14:29:31 <kidclamp> October 10th, 20 UTC? (one extra week to not overlap with general)
14:30:17 <thd> +1
14:30:50 <oleonard> +1
14:31:17 <kidclamp> #info Next meeting: 10 October 2018, 20 UTC
14:31:22 <kidclamp> #endmeeting