14:04:54 <kidclamp> #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 13 March 2019 14:04:54 <huginn`> Meeting started Wed Mar 13 14:04:54 2019 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:54 <huginn`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:04:54 <huginn`> The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_march_2019' 14:04:59 <kidclamp> #topic Introductions 14:05:14 <kidclamp> #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:05:21 <ashimema> #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe 14:05:31 <kidclamp> #chair cait, ashimema 14:05:31 <huginn`> Current chairs: ashimema cait kidclamp 14:05:37 <cc_> #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe 14:05:38 <calire> #info Claire Gravely, BSZ 14:05:41 <greenjimll> #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University 14:05:45 <oleonard> #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:06:37 <josef_moravec> #info Josef Moravec 14:07:46 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [with a profoundly terrible case of the flu] 14:09:03 <kidclamp> #info Announcements 14:09:14 <kidclamp> #topic Announcements 14:09:21 <kidclamp> anyone? 14:09:33 <ashimema> We should welcome Javier to the world ;) 14:09:37 <oleonard> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_March_2019 Agenda 14:09:41 <wizzyrea> ahhh BABIES 14:09:42 <tallestjoy> #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions 14:09:43 <wizzyrea> also hi 14:10:03 <wizzyrea> #info Liz Rea ... uhhhh idk, community person 14:10:23 <khall> #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:10:34 <oleonard> #info Javier, newest Koha Baby, congratulations tcohen and family! 14:11:12 * ashimema wonders if wizzyrea should introduce herself formally with what her role is ;) 14:11:41 <oleonard> I would like to announce that I'm still looking for eyes on Bug 22318 14:11:41 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Extend Koha news feature to include other content areas 14:12:42 <wizzyrea> i love it so much 14:12:51 <wizzyrea> i want to hug that bug 14:12:58 * ashimema runs to door for delivery.. brb 14:13:40 <kidclamp> moving on? 14:14:03 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:14:05 <cait> sorry 14:14:14 <kidclamp> #topic Update from the Release manager (19.05) 14:14:22 <magnuse> #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 14:14:24 <kidclamp> that's me :-) 14:14:51 <kidclamp> um..pushing stuff, testing stuff, some major and blocker there, halp! 14:14:56 <kidclamp> but things are going well 14:15:11 <cait> #info 1 blocker, 3 criticals and 24 majors - please help! 14:15:13 <kidclamp> ILL is next in my msights 14:15:37 <cait> kidclamp: have you thought about freeze dates yet? 14:15:47 <cait> 70 days now heh 14:15:48 <kidclamp> I have not, will do for next meeting 14:15:53 <cait> thx :) 14:15:53 * ashimema write patches for the blocker last night. 14:16:52 <kidclamp> that's all that's on my head right now unless questions 14:17:34 <ashimema> moving on? 14:18:08 * cait waves at the incredible davidnind 14:18:22 <kidclamp> #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:18:42 <davidnind> hi cait! 14:19:01 <ashimema> #info 18.11.x moving along nicely, nothing special to report 14:20:08 <cait> fridolin: ? 14:20:16 <cait> JesseM: ? 14:20:37 <JesseM> Hola 14:21:55 <JesseM> #info 18.05.x is moving along nicely as well. :) 14:23:21 <cait> moving on? 14:23:42 <alex_a> I see that some open bugs in bugzilla are related to Mana server and not Koha. So should we create a "Mana" project on BZ ? Should we post issues on github (need to clone the repo on community gitlab or other) ? 14:23:51 <alex_a> cc cait kidclamp Joubu 14:24:18 <wizzyrea> I think a new project would be good 14:24:22 <cait> i have actually opened a bug requesting mana as a topic for project 14:24:27 <cait> we don't have a new project for hea 14:24:33 <wizzyrea> or a component 14:25:00 <kidclamp> changing topic, this is discussion for general maybe? 14:25:07 <cait> I thin it would fit as a component in project Project Infrastructure 14:25:14 <alex_a> cait, where are posted issues for HEA? 14:25:15 <wizzyrea> hm that's not a bad idea 14:25:26 <cait> #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi?product=Project%20Infrastructure 14:25:39 <kidclamp> #topic Updates from the QA team 14:25:50 <kidclamp> qa_team? 14:25:50 <wahanui> it has been said that qa_team is cait alex_a jajm khall josef_moravec ashimema Joubu marcelr tcohen rangi 14:25:56 <cait> when is the next general? 14:26:00 <cait> I have already filed a bug :) 14:26:07 <cait> suggestiong a rephrase of the mana server email 14:26:30 <cait> ok qa team news then 14:26:56 <kidclamp> Next general is April 3 14:26:56 <cait> #info As kidclamp said there is a rising number of bad bugs in various states of fixing or not fixed yet, please help with those 14:27:25 <cait> #info Queue is at about 50, which is not super good, but also not bad. Things are mostly moving along nicely. Thx Team! 14:27:45 <cait> #info There are several 'new features' bugs that we should be looking at soon 14:27:54 <cait> anything to add? 14:28:07 <cait> ah 14:28:09 <greenjimll> Is there an indicator in Bugzilla we should take notice of for "bad bugs"? Importance? 14:28:18 <cait> greenjimll: if you look at the dashboard 14:28:25 <cait> click on the 'overall bug tracker health status' 14:28:38 <cait> but they are blocker, cirtical and major 14:28:43 <cait> it's filtering on those 14:28:43 <oleonard> #link https://dashboard.koha-community.org/ Dashboard 14:28:56 <cait> the dashboard gives you a good overview 14:29:03 <greenjimll> Ah, that's not linked from the bugzilla home page is it? 14:29:34 <cait> i think there is something like shared searches you can add 14:29:49 <cait> not sure if it's possible to edit the common queries on the start page 14:30:26 <cait> especially happy about the ILL patches being mostly resolved now josef_moravec++ 14:30:31 <cait> AndrewIsh++ khall++ 14:30:36 <cait> thx anyone who helped there 14:30:36 <oleonard> greenjimll: If you wanted to find them in Bugzilla you'd have to do an advanced search on "severity" 14:31:16 <cait> would be nice to get some more comments on bug 21824 - currently the oldest 14:31:16 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to format dates in various formats in templates 14:31:16 <greenjimll> oleonard - OK. Its just that lots of the dev docs point to bugzilla, not to a separate dashboard. 14:32:15 <cait> the dashboard is a really helpful tool - if you think it fits in some documentation we shoudl add it probably 14:33:09 <wizzyrea> it's linked from the website 14:33:39 <oleonard> wizzyrea++ 14:33:54 <wizzyrea> a link from bz might be nice 14:34:23 <ashimema> I use the dashboard all the time 14:34:26 <cait> @later tell rangi would it be possible to add a link to the dashboard from bugzilla? (start page?) 14:34:26 <huginn`> cait: The operation succeeded. 14:34:30 <ashimema> be nice to give it wider coverages in docs 14:34:48 <cait> moving on? 14:34:58 <wizzyrea> in fact it's linked from the home page 14:35:03 <wizzyrea> "project dashboard" 14:35:21 <cait> bugzilla? or wiki? 14:36:04 <oleonard> k-c.org 14:36:28 <greenjimll> "Project Dashboard" doesn't really give much away though if you don't know you need to be looking for it! :-) 14:37:01 <wizzyrea> it's on the home page of the wiki as well 14:37:15 <wizzyrea> (automatically updated overview of development activities) 14:37:31 <kidclamp> #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:37:35 <greenjimll> OK, its every where and I'm just stupid. :-) 14:37:46 <wizzyrea> :) nah just didn't know and that's ok 14:37:53 <ashimema> anywhere in particular you think it would be good to mention it greenjimll 14:38:17 <kidclamp> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Checkouts_endpoint_RFC 14:38:56 <josef_moravec> I tried to reflect all comments and question on the Checkouts endpoint RFC 14:39:25 <cait> thx for taking my comments into account for checkout_date 14:39:28 <cait> checkin_date 14:39:55 <josef_moravec> changed the /renewable endpoint to /allows_renewal, as cait pointed, but I am open to disscussion, of course ;) 14:40:13 <greenjimll> ashimema: Probably in the text of https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developer_handbook 14:40:26 <josef_moravec> and there is now definition of allow_renewal endpoint response object 14:40:27 <cait> starting point was: Maybe instead of renewability... loanability... we should do something like: allows_renewal, allows_checkout .. 14:40:36 <greenjimll> ashimema: its just in there as an autogenerated external link at the moment with no explanation/context. 14:40:48 <josef_moravec> thanks cait, yes 14:42:00 <josef_moravec> any concerns? doubts? questions? 14:42:12 <ashimema> looks good to me josef 14:43:01 <cait> total_renewals 14:43:25 <cait> why not 'max_renewals'? 14:43:38 <cait> it hink total and current are not clear, could be the same 14:43:40 <josef_moravec> cait: sound good to me 14:43:59 <josef_moravec> great point, I will update it, it does make sense 14:44:01 <cait> native speakers? 14:44:24 <ashimema> max_ ++ 14:44:37 <josef_moravec> wiki updated 14:44:48 <greenjimll> max_renewals makes more sense than total_renewals if it is a maximum 14:45:25 <josef_moravec> yes, it is maximum allowed renewals 14:45:28 <cait> hm used_renewals? current is ok just thinking 14:46:03 <josef_moravec> i am not sure here, i thought about used_renewals as a candidate too 14:46:19 <josef_moravec> I would be ok with both 14:46:26 <ashimema> less characters in 'used'.. which makes lazy devs happy 14:46:34 <josef_moravec> ashimema: ;) 14:47:05 <josef_moravec> ashimema: which one are you able to write down more quickly? 14:47:06 <josef_moravec> ;) 14:48:21 <ashimema> lol 14:48:29 <josef_moravec> anybody else? should we change it to used_, or stay with current_ ? 14:49:16 <kidclamp> i think either works fine 14:49:54 <cait> no strong opinion 14:50:05 <josef_moravec> ok, so are we ready to vote? 14:50:10 <cait> andreashm: current_renewals or used_renewals? 14:50:17 <cait> quick! 14:50:27 <andreashm> huh? 14:50:42 <josef_moravec> andreashm: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Checkouts_endpoint_RFC 14:52:12 <andreashm> current_renewals probably, I would say. 14:52:21 <andreashm> But I may have changed my mind in 5 min.... 14:53:08 <ashimema> current it is then :) 14:53:45 <josef_moravec> we should start vote quickly, before we all change our minds ;) 14:54:07 * ashimema digs out how 14:54:11 <cait> current is ok 14:54:27 <cait> #start vote question? (options,options) 14:54:35 <cait> the difficult part is phrasing it as a question ): 14:54:36 <cait> :) 14:54:58 <kidclamp> shoudl we adopt the endpoints RFC as defined https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Checkouts_endpoint_RFC? 14:55:02 <cait> and #startvote 14:55:13 <ashimema> #startvote Do we agree on the checkouts endpoint as it stands now? yes,no 14:55:13 <huginn`> Begin voting on: Do we agree on the checkouts endpoint as it stands now? Valid vote options are yes, no. 14:55:13 <huginn`> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:55:26 <cait> #yes 14:55:28 <cait> #vote yes 14:55:31 <kidclamp> #vote yes 14:55:34 <ashimema> lol 14:55:38 <josef_moravec> #vote yes 14:55:46 <cc_> #vote yes 14:55:49 <ashimema> #vote yes 14:55:51 <davidnind> #vote yes 14:55:55 <tallestjoy> #vote yes 14:56:05 <calire> #vote yes 14:56:11 <thd> #vote yes 14:56:38 <greenjimll> #vote yes 14:57:12 <ashimema> that was quick.. any more for any more? 14:57:40 <ashimema> happy... 14:57:42 <ashimema> 3... 14:57:54 <ashimema> 2... 14:58:27 <ashimema> 1... 14:58:30 <ashimema> #endvote 14:58:30 <huginn`> Voted on "Do we agree on the checkouts endpoint as it stands now?" Results are 14:58:30 <huginn`> yes (10): greenjimll, cc_, cait, calire, josef_moravec, ashimema, davidnind, kidclamp, tallestjoy, thd 14:59:39 <ashimema> so.. what's next 15:00:00 <kidclamp> #topic Review of coding guidelines 15:00:07 <kidclamp> nothign here, moving on? :-) 15:00:11 <cait> yep 15:00:19 <kidclamp> #topic Set time of next meeting 15:00:26 <cait> thx kidclamp++ 15:00:37 <kidclamp> March 27, 20UTC? 15:01:04 <kidclamp> thank you cait and ashimema for keeping it going while I was in a meeting 15:01:42 <ashimema> 27th works for me 15:01:49 <josef_moravec> +1 15:02:44 <kidclamp> #info Next meeting: 27 March 2019, 20 UTC 15:02:52 <kidclamp> #endmeeting