18:04:47 <cait> #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 May 2019 18:04:47 <huginn`> Meeting started Wed May 8 18:04:47 2019 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:04:47 <huginn`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:04:47 <huginn`> The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_may_2019' 18:04:55 <cait> #topic Introductions 18:04:59 <cait> please introduce yourself using #info 18:05:07 <cait> #chair caroline_catlady 18:05:07 <huginn`> Current chairs: cait caroline_catlady 18:05:14 <cait> #chair kidclamp 18:05:14 <huginn`> Current chairs: cait caroline_catlady kidclamp 18:05:26 <Charles_Quain> #info Charles Quain Interleaf Technology 18:05:30 <caroline_catlady> #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 18:05:31 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 18:05:34 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:05:43 <georgew> #info George Williams - Northeast Kansas Library System 18:05:46 <lisettelatah> #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District, Moscow, Idaho 18:05:50 <cait> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_May_2019 Today's agenda 18:05:51 <kidclamp> #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 18:05:54 <Joubu> #info Jonathan Druart 18:06:08 <davidnind> #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 18:06:30 <cait> i will give it alittle more time 18:07:15 <tcohen> #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 18:07:34 <cait> ping people that are lurking :) 18:07:55 <cait> khall: lukeG ? 18:08:08 <cait> ok, moving on in a second 18:08:27 <cait> #topic Announcements 18:08:38 <cait> anyone? :) 18:09:13 <georgew> koha-US is accepting proposals for our conference in September 18:09:42 <cait> #info koha-US is accepting proposals for its conference in September 18:09:48 <cait> thx! 18:09:55 <caroline_catlady> argh you out-info'd me ;) 18:09:58 <georgew> And I'm trying to post the link but I can't find it AAAA 18:10:05 <lisettelatah> #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfUyOAowsiGoOwAI_jj_YIiMRbIlbZgvSkSDuoDMjzFVkb51Q/viewform?usp=sf_link 18:10:09 <cait> :) 18:10:14 <georgew> Thanks lisettelatah 18:10:19 <cait> moving on! 18:10:26 <cait> #topic Updates on releases 18:10:29 <cait> Rmaints? 18:10:29 <wahanui> Rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 18:10:37 <cait> RM? 18:10:42 <cait> kidclamp? 18:10:42 <wahanui> it has been said that kidclamp is reply i guess kidclamp is the first RM not to be bribed 18:11:51 <cait> #info We have reached feature freeze and are approaching feature slush on 10 May 18:12:18 <cait> i hope things are on track ;) 18:12:22 <cait> moving on? 18:12:44 <cait> ah 18:12:49 <cait> sec 18:13:11 <cait> #link https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_18_12_00.md pre-release notes for 19.05 18:13:48 <cait> #info Help needed to add more info to the release notes using the notes field in bugzilla for release notes 18:13:58 <cait> hope that makes sense 18:14:16 <cait> moving on! 18:14:20 <cait> #topic KohaCon19 18:14:25 <cait> Charles_Quain? 18:14:35 <Charles_Quain> All going well 18:14:44 <Charles_Quain> #info 187 delegates signed up 18:15:01 <Charles_Quain> #info all speaking slots and workshops filled 18:15:12 <Charles_Quain> #info Huge thanks to our donors 18:15:27 <cait> nice :) 18:15:42 <Charles_Quain> finalising the Culture Day outings this week 18:16:01 <Charles_Quain> looking forward to seeing everyone in Dublin in 2 weeks 18:16:34 <kidclamp> ah yes, things are cool, fix the bugs, be execellent to eac hother 18:16:43 <cait> heh 18:17:26 <Charles_Quain> if anyone has questions around the wider Dublin stuff, feel free to email me directly. 18:17:37 <cait> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon19/Social Info about people arriving/leaving and pubs 18:17:57 <cait> also add yourself if you want to :) 18:18:17 <Charles_Quain> I put a few names on the pub list, but didnt want to do too many in case I gave a bad impression of my social life! 18:18:27 <cait> of living in Dublin? :) 18:18:54 <ashimema_> grr, seems my irc connection is dead again..! 18:18:59 <Charles_Quain> some great pubs to be sampled. 18:19:07 <ashimema_> sorry I missed most of the meeting.. was sitting waiting for it to begin! 18:19:15 <cait> ashimemaanything to add to Kohacon? 18:19:28 <ashimema_> no idea what's been said 18:19:32 <ashimema_> literally just joined 18:19:33 <ashimema_> :( 18:19:56 <cait> anything about the workshops maybe? 18:20:00 <cait> we heard all slots are filled 18:20:37 <Charles_Quain> There is a google form for those who want to sign up - sent out via eventbrite. Give me a sec and I'll send the link 18:20:44 <ashimema_> Nothing really to add to that 18:21:01 <ashimema_> Workshops attendance looks like a nice spread. 18:21:22 <caroline_catlady> what if we can't decide? 18:21:29 <Charles_Quain> https://forms.gle/KrHt5FxwvWt9jm8c7 18:21:36 <caroline_catlady> will we be refused at the door? 18:21:50 <Charles_Quain> Not at all. 18:21:57 <cait> :) 18:21:59 <Charles_Quain> The doorman can be bribed! 18:22:08 <cait> i might switch if the technical ones are too hard... :) 18:22:15 * cait will bring extra chocolate 18:22:22 <cait> did you plan for a sweets table? 18:22:25 <caroline_catlady> bringing maple candies for bribes 18:22:51 <Charles_Quain> Well, Interleaf is famous for giving away small jars of jelly beans at conferences... 18:22:58 <ashimema_> It's just so we can guestimate the numbers and allocate rooms suitably.. change welcome on the day.. I may even shift the program around a little if I get the overwhelming feeling that two really popular one's overlap ;) 18:23:47 <cait> cool 18:23:51 <cait> ok, moving on? 18:24:03 <cait> might on longer torture the ones not being able to attend 18:24:07 <cait> not longer... 18:24:38 <cait> #topic Elections! 18:24:41 <cait> no veto, so moving on :) 18:24:46 <cait> main part of today's meeting 18:25:03 <cait> I see we had some last minute additions, very happy :) 18:25:16 <cait> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.11 Proposals for 19.11 release team 18:25:18 <tcohen> \o/ 18:25:42 <wizzyrea> #Liz Rea, doer of things 18:25:42 <cait> main event 18:25:56 <tcohen> can I veto the absense of rangi on the QA team? 18:25:59 <cait> please review the page and ask any questions you have 18:26:30 <cait> tcohen: shame on me for not noticing until now he had escaped! 18:26:37 <cait> i think we can still fix that a little later 18:26:48 <tcohen> we can volunteer him of course ;-) 18:26:52 <ashimema_> rangi on qa++ 18:27:01 <Joubu> Previous RMs are part of the QA team de facto, iirc :) 18:27:01 <ashimema_> confident we can bend his arm 18:27:03 <cait> also, if you want to sign up and haven't yet, please do now :) 18:27:13 <cait> and give us a little heads up so we can hit refresh 18:27:16 <tcohen> hola Yonatán 18:27:20 <ashimema_> oh really Joubu, I wasn't aware of that one 18:27:29 <cait> not sure if it's documented 18:27:36 <cait> i htink they are part of security group 18:27:38 <cait> not sure about qa 18:28:01 <wizzyrea> well if it isn't a rule it should be :P 18:28:11 <wizzyrea> #info Liz Rea, doer of things 18:28:17 <cait> any questions? :) 18:28:28 <cait> someone still not sure who needs a little encouragement? 18:28:30 <wizzyrea> this all seems fine to me? 18:28:32 <cait> ashimema: shibboleth? ;) 18:28:58 <ashimema_> happy to be cait 18:29:04 <cait> ok, my plan is to vote for the whole team in one big vote 18:29:13 <cait> if that receives no veto 18:29:19 <wizzyrea> fine by me 18:29:23 <caroline_catlady> +1 18:29:23 <ashimema_> I mostly went for RM and didn't think it hugely appropriate to do other things at the same time that may conflict.. 18:29:30 <thd> ++ 18:29:36 <ashimema_> +1 on whole team vote 18:29:40 <davidnind> +1 18:29:48 <cait> #startvote Shall we vote on the whole release team 19.11 in one big vote as listed on the wiki page? (yes,no,abstain) 18:29:48 <huginn`> Begin voting on: Shall we vote on the whole release team 19.11 in one big vote as listed on the wiki page? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 18:29:48 <huginn`> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:30:03 <cait> ashimema: i kind of forgot :) 18:30:03 <thd> #vote ye 18:30:03 <huginn`> thd: ye is not a valid option. Valid options are , yes, no, abstain, . 18:30:07 <wizzyrea> #vote yes 18:30:07 <thd> #vote yes 18:30:07 <caroline_catlady> this is a vote on the vote? 18:30:09 <cait> #vote yes 18:30:12 <cait> yep 18:30:13 <lisettelatah> #vote yes 18:30:18 <caroline_catlady> #vote yes 18:30:21 <georgew> #vote yes 18:30:22 <cait> vote on the method... vote vote next :) 18:30:25 <davidnind> #vote yes 18:30:53 <tcohen> #vote yes 18:31:02 <cait> 5 18:31:03 <cait> 4 18:31:06 <cait> 3 18:31:08 <cait> 2 18:31:11 <cait> 1 18:31:12 <ashimema_> #vote yes 18:31:12 <cait> ... 18:31:16 <Joubu> #vote yes 18:31:25 <cait> #endvote 18:31:25 <huginn`> Voted on "Shall we vote on the whole release team 19.11 in one big vote as listed on the wiki page?" Results are 18:31:25 <huginn`> yes (10): Joubu, georgew, caroline_catlady, cait, lisettelatah, davidnind, wizzyrea, tcohen, thd, ashimema_ 18:31:34 <cait> ok, preparing the vote vote sec 18:31:49 <cait> hm, i might need help to phrase a question 18:32:27 <Joubu> questions about the proposal, maybe? :) 18:32:34 <wizzyrea> Accept the whole team documented as at whatever the time is now UTC at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.11 18:32:36 <cait> i#ve asked for questions before :) 18:32:45 <cait> wizzyrea: that's not a question :) 18:32:54 <cait> the voting thing wants something that ends with ? 18:32:56 <wizzyrea> oh I thought you were asking for the question for the vote 18:33:01 <Joubu> sorry, did not see it, I have a question then 18:33:05 <wizzyrea> well put a ? on the end 18:33:06 <wizzyrea> lol 18:33:12 <wizzyrea> but it might mess up the url 18:33:13 <cait> Joubu first 18:33:19 <Joubu> I'd like to know how Martin plans to "introduce more collaboration between parties" 18:33:51 <ashimema_> I had hoped to already mail a few company directors but time got away from me 18:34:43 <ashimema_> my hope is to grab a chat with support company purse string holders and get an idea of where they're wanting to focus efforts the next couple of cycles.. spot overlaps and try to get them to agree to time them nicely to collaborate rather than us all being out of sync 18:34:56 <ashimema_> that's an initial plan anyway.. 18:35:09 <Joubu> Also, no more "refactoring" or "improve unit tests" bullets on the list. Which means you think we reached a goal already? 18:36:00 <ashimema_> No, I hope to continue to encourage that.. I just forgot to mention it.. the 'improve unit tests' I feel is a given at all times now 18:36:09 <Joubu> ashimema_: ok good plan, just remember it is what I tried :) I hope you will have more chance than me ;) 18:36:19 <ashimema_> we're in better habbits as a community (though we need to keep striving for improvements) 18:36:41 <wizzyrea> well continuous improvement is an excellent goal to have 18:36:48 <caroline_catlady> what a great community we have :) 18:36:54 <cait> also please... no big big patches 18:37:07 <cait> small steps 18:37:38 <Joubu> well, it depends on several things, but most of the time yes, no big patches :) 18:37:41 <ashimema_> those are all general things I think we as a team are looking for.. I am happy to mention them specifically though 18:37:54 <Joubu> thanks ashimema_ :) 18:38:08 <tcohen> ashimema++ 18:38:12 <ashimema_> I'd say "If you're looking to do a big patch, get a team behind you before submitting it" 18:38:38 <ashimema_> meaning, get a SO and QA person on side first and work with them whilst writing it rather than having it all land as a surprise 18:38:39 <cait> that's a good approach 18:38:40 <wizzyrea> and be ready for your inevitable followups 18:38:51 <wizzyrea> and your bug fixing 18:38:57 <wizzyrea> don't drop it and disappear 18:39:10 <cait> and write some helpful docs on how to use X :) 18:39:23 <cait> we got our wish list, now just have to work towards it 18:39:23 <Joubu> or... wait for it pushed and disappear 18:39:34 <wizzyrea> yeah that's frustrating 18:39:34 * ashimema_ suggests wizzyrea for a tame SO person.. and I'm sure almost anyone QA wise would be keen to be involved in such bugs early 18:39:47 <wizzyrea> haha you called me tame. 18:40:03 <wizzyrea> ok you're right 18:40:04 <ashimema_> tame as in friendly ;( 18:40:05 <wizzyrea> fine. 18:40:07 <ashimema_> ;) 18:40:07 <wizzyrea> :) 18:40:09 <ashimema_> even 18:40:26 <wizzyrea> but yes I am friendly and also opinionated. 18:40:29 <wizzyrea> >.> 18:40:31 <wizzyrea> <.< 18:40:52 <cait> opinions are good, base for discussion 18:41:02 <wizzyrea> but anyway vote nao? 18:41:11 <cait> Joubu: are you satisfied with the answers? 18:41:31 <Joubu> I will ask more later, do not worry ;) 18:41:50 <Joubu> yes, let's vote! 18:41:59 <cait> #startvote Do you elect the release team for 19.11 as listed on the wiki at this time? (yes,no,abstain) 18:41:59 <huginn`> Begin voting on: Do you elect the release team for 19.11 as listed on the wiki at this time? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 18:41:59 <huginn`> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:42:05 <cait> #vote yes 18:42:14 <caroline_catlady> #vote yes 18:42:16 <davidnind> #vote yes 18:42:18 <lisettelatah> #vote yes 18:42:23 <Joubu> #vote yes 18:42:28 <koha-jenkins> Yippee, build fixed! 18:42:28 <wahanui> Congratulations! 18:42:29 <wizzyrea> #vote yes 18:42:29 <koha-jenkins> Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #76: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/76/ 18:42:31 <thd> #vote yes 18:42:55 <cait> I am especially happy about the new names on this list! 18:42:57 <georgew> #vote yes 18:43:03 <ashimema_> #vote yes 18:43:40 <tcohen> #vote yes 18:44:11 <cait> giving it another moment :) 18:44:13 <Joubu> koha-jenkins and wahanui take part in the vote! 18:44:26 <wizzyrea> i love that they have a wee bot conversation 18:44:31 <wizzyrea> whenever the build is fixed. 18:44:47 <cait> #endvote 18:44:47 <huginn`> Voted on "Do you elect the release team for 19.11 as listed on the wiki at this time?" Results are 18:44:47 <huginn`> yes (10): Joubu, georgew, caroline_catlady, cait, lisettelatah, davidnind, wizzyrea, ashimema_, thd, tcohen 18:44:51 <ashimema_> oh.. I missed that there are no wiki curators this time around.. interesting 18:44:58 <cait> congratulations everyone! we got a new release team! 18:45:03 <ashimema_> :) 18:45:05 <wizzyrea> \o/ 18:45:30 <Joubu> congrats ashimema! And good luck! ;) 18:45:40 <ashimema_> Thanks mate :) 18:45:56 <tcohen> this will be great, ashimema 18:46:00 <cait> ashimema_++ :) 18:46:05 <tcohen> ashimema++ 18:46:09 <wizzyrea> I think it's gonna be fun :D 18:46:39 <cait> it's named team for a reason :) 18:46:55 <wizzyrea> away just a minute 18:47:46 <cait> moving on :) 18:47:53 * ashimema_ is looking forward to it all now.. I feel we've got a a great team there 18:47:55 <cait> #topic Time for next meeting 18:48:10 <cait> i think we always do first wednesday of the month 18:48:21 <cait> June 5 18:48:25 <cait> which time? 18:48:31 <thd> almost always 18:48:43 <cait> may 1 was a holida yin a lot of places 18:49:18 <thd> Yes, holidays and other major events should be avoided. 18:49:28 <cait> can someone help with the next time slot? 18:49:33 <ashimema_> works for me 18:49:57 <cait> it looks like april had 14 utc 18:49:58 <caroline_catlady> is there a rotation for times? 18:50:18 * ashimema_ quickly converts that to bst 18:50:28 <thd> Yes, 14 UTC has been used recently. 18:50:40 <cait> 4 pm here 18:50:55 <cait> shoudl be 3pm uk? 18:51:17 <ashimema_> yup, 3pm 18:51:23 <cait> good? 18:51:28 <thd> I am uncertain whether we have had drift from preferences as summer time winter time clocks have changed. 18:51:44 <ashimema_> that's OK for me.. though I'll be coming from the mobile phone for some of it (school pickup time) 18:51:48 <cait> i think one hour earlier might be slightly better for catching people at work 18:52:01 <cait> hm it will be your first RM general :) 18:52:06 <ashimema_> indeed 18:52:09 <ashimema_> could be fun 18:52:13 <cait> would be one hour earlier work better? 18:52:25 <ashimema_> it would for me 18:52:33 <cait> everyon ok with 13 UTC? 18:52:37 <caroline_catlady> +1 18:53:02 <ashimema_> :) 18:53:05 <cait> #info Next meeting: 5 June 2019, 13 UTC 18:53:08 <cait> #endmeeting