14:00:05 #startmeeting 14:00:05 Meeting started Wed May 4 14:00:05 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:17 #topic introductions 14:00:33 prolly know who we are but go for it 14:01:04 kmkale: Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation, VPM Thane, Granthalaya.org 14:02:17 Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT, NZ 14:04:04 Thats it. Just the three of us here? 14:04:18 movin' on 14:04:31 #topic paper submission 14:05:09 how are the numbers looking? 14:05:32 give me a min 14:05:42 i'll paste whats been submitted so far 14:06:36 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 1" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/30 14:07:26 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 2" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 14:07:54 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 3" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32 14:08:14 "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 4" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33 14:08:42 ok what do we do about these? Who does the reviewing? 14:09:07 get the abstracts to wrap properly first off XD 14:09:19 like the abstract, Brooke 14:09:29 cheers 14:09:38 * Brooke will clearly not be reviewing her own work. 14:09:45 :) 14:10:01 * SpaceLibrarian_home will review work that's not her pending submission. 14:10:11 do we have guidelines? 14:10:16 * kmkale has no experience at this reviewing stuff 14:10:57 or shall we just ask everyone to send in the full presentation and then review it? 14:11:03 oof no 14:11:06 nope 14:11:11 afterall can't get too much from the abstract 14:11:14 * Brooke points out that speakers are horrible procrastinators. 14:11:21 :) 14:11:22 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:11:31 present company included? 14:11:50 depends. Scarily usually not. 14:11:59 what she said.... 14:12:09 well, from here we can see there are *clearly* emeging themes here. 14:12:44 *r 14:13:37 Must say I like three out of these four one exception being "Optimising ICT Potentials for Integrating Africa in the Global Scientific Information Systems: A Case of Open Access Movement" can't see significant co-relation to Koha or Libraries 14:14:05 we've not had posters before 14:14:14 and that could be summat to keep in mind for stuff like taht 14:14:20 where it might not quite fit the mood 14:14:30 but might be interesting enough to give it a shot or slot 14:14:40 we will ask posters if we have too many papers 14:14:50 the first one - info lit is *very* light on abscract content.... 14:15:19 but till we have a full program lets keep posters in the wings 14:15:29 ok should I revert to them asking to beef it up? 14:15:29 aye 14:15:29 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:15:38 also aye 14:15:40 ok 14:16:12 most conf abstracts I"ve been writing for ask for about 400 words. Gives you background, context and aim of talk. 14:16:18 May be a good idea here... 14:16:23 #action kmkale to ask for beefing up of the abstract from "INFORMATION LITERACY AND LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE" authors 14:16:38 good idea. 14:16:46 400 words 14:17:39 it certainly forces you to think about your presentation... 14:17:47 should I put that as a requirement on the page for paper submissions? 14:18:32 you may want to... 14:19:05 so minimum 200 words and max 400? 14:19:10 or minimum 400? 14:19:18 mon 250, max 400 14:19:21 min* 14:19:34 * Brooke nods 14:19:51 250 is the number all of those wicked, naughty grant reviewers ask for. 14:20:03 it's much easier to do 400. 14:20:08 ok. So I'll write to each of the 4 asking for beefed up abstracts shall I? 14:20:19 yep 14:20:33 will make streaming them/evaluating them easier 14:20:35 ask for "background, context and aim of talk." 14:20:54 @quote random 14:20:54 gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 14:21:32 I have been away a lot last month on unrelated projects but this month I intend to start following up with people individually for presentations 14:21:39 any candidates? 14:21:59 have we moved on to keynote then? 14:22:07 do you have sponsorship available for a keynote? 14:22:15 no still talking about getting more papers 14:22:45 right. I'm still needing to give you a list of conference alert sites, aren't I? 14:23:03 * SpaceLibrarian_home makes a note to send kmkale more conf lists in the morning. 14:23:56 sponsorship is again something I intend to do follow up of one on one this month 14:24:15 we have INR 100000 from Bharat Grahak 14:24:27 oi 14:24:32 shall I change the topic? 14:24:41 yep maybe. 14:24:52 #topic sponsorship 14:25:13 so sponsorship. yes 14:26:09 oops 14:26:28 bad net connection 14:26:37 2.8k NZD/ 2.24kUSD 14:26:59 misplaced 0 or generous benefactor? 14:27:00 We have a commitment of INR 30000 from biblibre 14:27:10 and another commitment of INR 15000 from catalyst 14:27:18 that makes for about 145000 INR 14:27:27 we need about three times that amount 14:28:02 not counting in sponsorship for keynote 14:28:04 so gotta go after that too 14:28:08 * Brooke shamelessly points out that you're still missing Equinox, libriotech, and a host of others 14:28:08 3.2k USD 14:28:39 I have sent mails to *ALL* registered Koha suppport vendors on K-C site 14:28:42 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:28:55 now I'll follow up with then individually 14:29:13 also lining up some libraries and companies here in India 14:29:46 Have done initial mailing to done, but must do personal follow up to get money :) 14:31:04 Brooke: no its 100000INR they are a co-operative store 14:31:15 lovely 14:31:18 realised that when you totted things up 14:31:24 way to go 14:31:52 what about keynote? 14:31:56 restaurants might not be a bad pull if you know 14:32:00 #topic keynote 14:32:02 bookstores too 14:32:05 yes. 14:32:10 keynote. ideas? 14:32:36 still here 14:32:40 and will you have sponsorship for whomever? 14:32:53 SpaceLibrarian_home: not as of now 14:33:05 hmmmm.... 14:33:16 do you have an idea as to who to ask? 14:33:22 but yes if we get the targetted amount 14:33:29 okay. 14:34:44 WHo did keynote last time in NZ? 14:34:48 Rosa 14:34:50 and before that? 14:34:58 Paul mebbe? 14:35:02 could have been Chris? 14:35:13 hang on I'll check 14:35:49 the welcome was listed as Chris and Paul 14:37:26 I still think Jo would be fantastic. 14:37:38 We have one candidate in mind Dr ARD Prasad http://drtc.isibang.ac.in/DRTC/ardcv.html 14:37:47 Haven't contacted him yet though 14:38:34 who's he? 14:38:34 he is picky 14:38:59 wahanui: forget he 14:39:00 gmcharlt: I forgot he 14:39:21 He's quite the academic lis heavyweight from the looks of things. 14:39:37 He is 14:40:04 a leading figure in LIS circles in India 14:40:31 good idea. 14:40:37 kmkale_: does he know OSS? 14:40:56 Oh yes gmcharlt 14:41:00 cool 14:41:11 do we want a full on hardcore academic conference? 14:41:18 he keeps publishing a Koha livecd too 14:41:29 hi #koha 14:41:30 Brooke raises a good point 14:41:35 with DSPACE and more stuff clubbed in 14:41:43 have a question for librarians 14:41:45 keeps it upto date with the stable releases 14:42:25 there exists a list of Marc codes for relators 14:42:33 (at least for MARC21) 14:42:38 Brooke: do we want a full on hardcore academic conference? is a key question 14:42:46 * Brooke nods 14:42:53 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:42:54 cause VPM is an old academic institution 14:43:06 because the way this is looking 14:43:17 it's shaping up to be a very academic library conf. 14:43:23 so we need to assert what kinda conference we want 14:43:29 is it reasonable that the $e field (e.g. for 700 field) be selected from a list of authorized values? 14:43:34 else it WILL be a full on academic conference 14:43:50 * Brooke rebels against the thought of that. 14:44:02 it's heading in that direction, kmkale_ 14:44:05 I <3 academic stuff, but I'd argue it's not a close fit to the community at large. 14:44:07 so we can treat it in the UI as needed ? 14:44:12 so Koha people better start cooming up with papers and presentations 14:44:13 I wouldn't oppose tracking that, though 14:44:18 and you need to make it inclusive or you won't get the numbers 14:44:57 I want to a some good stuff on future features like from Brooke and some solid technical papers too 14:44:59 The KohaConf needs to be getting more air time to get the papers. 14:45:20 air time? how? 14:45:26 You'll be getting an abstract in the same vein as Brooke's from me in the next day or so. 14:45:28 close for papers is in like august though 14:45:40 Close for papers should be moved earlier 14:45:45 especially for flights, etc 14:45:53 yep but two months have already gone by since we started 14:45:55 kmkale_: regarding papers, is remote delivery an option? 14:45:59 And air time - it needs to be seen more on the lists and boards, etc 14:46:05 twitter, etc, etc 14:46:06 i.e., people skyping in? 14:46:07 gmcharlt: yes 14:46:20 #topic back to papers 14:46:39 more like promoting conf to get papers... 14:46:50 cool; I suggest promoting that option (up to a point, in my experience too many remote presentations would get tedious for the audience) 14:46:50 gmcharlt: how about you? Are you attending? if yes a paper? 14:47:04 and promoting KohaConf as a worthwhile conf to go to... 14:47:12 kmkale_: yes to a paper, not sure yet about whether I'm attending 14:47:25 ah go on Galen 14:47:28 SpaceLibrarian_home: wanna take that task up? please? 14:47:33 you surely want to make mischief in India. 14:47:46 certainly the little Missus would like to see the Taj Mahal, too. 14:47:58 :) 14:48:15 will do what I can, kmkale_. I thought slef was going to do some spreading the word as well... 14:48:22 yes gmcharlt please do make it :) 14:49:33 ping 14:51:10 we still here? 14:51:27 yep 14:51:38 :) 14:51:40 yep 14:52:02 anything else? 14:52:03 anything else is reinventing the wheel. 14:52:08 hehehe 14:52:08 lol 14:52:13 :)) 14:52:23 #topic time and date of next meeting 14:52:55 so, I think you should screw me in perpetuity, seeing as how it's an Indian conference and this time is hella inconvenient for y'all 14:52:57 good question 14:53:27 not quite midnight for you, is it, kmkale_? 14:53:35 how about 3rd June? 14:53:48 nope its 8.23pm 14:54:02 nice for some. :) 14:54:15 3rd June's a Friday... 14:54:27 :) 14:54:34 should be fine for me, depending on the time selected 14:54:58 roll it back 8 hours? 14:55:14 can do that. 14:55:20 hmmmm 14:55:23 6pm 14:55:30 yeah, guess I can do that 14:55:47 6pm on a Friday is cruel though 14:56:07 how about 14:56:11 posswibly crueller than 2am on a Thursday morning 14:56:12 you got screwed this time 14:56:14 SpaceLibrarian_home: on the other hand, how many business meetings do you get to participate in with a beer in hand? 14:56:16 possibly* 14:56:18 so you pick a time for next time :P 14:56:28 gmcharlt: I don't actually drink. 14:56:34 * Brooke gasps. 14:56:40 ah, sorry for assuming 14:56:41 no often anyway 14:56:42 those words don't make sense in that order. 14:56:45 :) 14:57:01 beer and I don't really like each other 14:57:15 oops again 14:57:18 How's the 2nd? 14:57:28 with a roll back of 8 hours? 14:57:35 it's cool, we'll just have to set you up with Tariq or summat. 14:57:36 2nd is good too 14:57:48 I like 2nd. 14:58:15 Now whisky... yes. 14:58:27 lets set a good time for NZ and AU this time 14:58:38 roll back 8 hours 14:58:47 6pm for NZ, 4 for east Aus 14:58:52 good for me 14:59:06 which is why you all should just say "Screw Brooke" and be done with it 14:59:13 lol 14:59:28 if the time suits the most participants, I just have to ttfu 14:59:29 2nd June 6.00 UTC? 14:59:39 aye 14:59:44 we did that last time though 14:59:47 sounds good 14:59:57 and the Europeans complained 15:00:00 ;) 15:00:11 and this time none of them are around 15:00:13 and rolling forward 8 hours? 15:00:27 yeah, they can complain when it's not prime time for them 15:00:27 I believe thd complained for the Europeans actually. 15:00:32 he did 15:00:44 there weren't any Europeans present anyway. 15:00:51 right 15:01:02 which is why I have a strict "Screw Brooke" policy 15:01:06 slef isn't european, so I dont' count him. UK is separate... 15:01:11 rooling forward 8hrs is 3.30 am for me :( 15:01:15 now if there were howls from gmcharlt, they'd be valid. 15:01:22 ouch. yeah. we wont' go there. 15:01:32 6UTC it is. 15:01:50 considering the geographic, I'm happy to accommodate any time the others want 15:01:50 if you can SpaceLibrarian_home so can I 15:02:05 :) 15:02:08 settled at 6UTC 2nd June 15:02:24 any last minute objections that I shall ruthlessly ignore, pinning the blame on gmcharlt? 15:02:26 but the i'd prefer 3rd cause then 4rth is a saturday 15:02:49 and thurs is bad because? 15:02:56 wasn't the 3rd bad for spacelibrarian? 15:03:01 yep 15:03:12 3.30am on a friday morning will ruine my workday ;) 15:03:27 but it's not ayt 3.30am for you 15:03:30 at* 15:03:31 IF we are rolling forward by 8 15:03:41 we're not rolling forward 15:03:46 if we are rolling back no probs 15:03:47 we're rolling back 15:03:53 aahh great 15:03:56 it's 6UTC 15:04:01 no one's quarreling that 15:04:06 then 2nd June 6UTC? 15:04:07 right? 15:04:08 great 15:04:11 yep 15:04:14 Perhaps hold it the day before but roll forward 16? 15:04:39 k set 2 June 6 UTC 15:04:43 awesome 15:05:05 * Brooke will impose her iron will on the community by means of secret chocolate attacks. 15:05:05 done, I think 15:05:15 :) 15:05:57 And time for bed, methinks. As soon as Brooke closes this meeting... 15:06:00 I can enjoy the IPL now 15:06:06 it's closed 15:06:07 scurry 15:06:10 #endmeeting