02:01:13 <Brooke> #startmeeting 02:01:13 <huginn> Meeting started Wed May 11 02:01:13 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:01:13 <huginn> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 02:01:27 <Brooke> Haere Mai 02:01:40 <Brooke> Welcome to the Community Meeting 02:01:45 <Brooke> #topic Introductions 02:02:03 * wizzyrea is Liz Rea, NEKLS 02:02:06 * druthb is D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions. 02:02:14 <SpaceLib> Shelley gurney, 02:02:23 <SpaceLib> Catalyst 02:02:23 <wahanui> Catalyst are funding template refactoring 02:02:30 * jcamins_away = Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions 02:02:59 <rhcl> rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, St. Joseph, MO, USA 02:03:29 * slef = MJ Ray, software.coop member 02:03:57 <mtj> = mason james, kohaaloha, nz 02:05:19 <rangi> chris c, on his phone walking 02:05:30 <wizzyrea> anyone else? 02:05:31 <SpaceLib> Ditto 02:05:35 <rangi> be at my desk soon 02:05:44 <pianohacker> = Jesse Weaver, occasional koha programmer, lurking 02:05:50 <wizzyrea> (please watch out for busses and cars) 02:06:40 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.2 02:06:54 <Brooke> I'm thinking we might have to skip that 02:06:57 <wizzyrea> I notice that chris_n isn't about 02:07:14 <Brooke> did he appoint a minion? 02:07:38 <wizzyrea> not that I'm aware of :/ 02:07:51 <Brooke> right we can always come back should he arrive. 02:08:01 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.0 02:08:10 <Brooke> possiblay the same 02:08:41 <wizzyrea> hdl sent an email today saying he was going to stop support of 3.0, unless someone else picked it up 02:09:10 <wizzyrea> and I'm sure we all appreciate the two years he spent as release maintainer - hdl++ 02:09:24 <Brooke> indeed 02:09:27 <Brooke> hdl++ 02:09:38 <SpaceLib> Hdl++ 02:09:50 <rhcl> hdl++ 02:10:22 <wizzyrea> I suppose we should formally ask if there is anyone willing to take up RMaint for 3.0? 02:10:22 <Brooke> Are there any objections to formal closure of 3.0? That has been a topic of conversation for some time now. 02:10:25 <mtj> indeed!, thanx hdl 02:10:37 <wizzyrea> or adopting formal closure 02:10:55 <Brooke> I would think formal closure if it's not adopted. 02:11:45 <slef> we'll see what interest there is 02:11:49 <mtj> Brooke: i agree 02:11:56 <Brooke> are you interested slef? 02:11:59 <slef> but I'll be surprised 02:12:29 <wizzyrea> so, should we vote to delay formal end-of-life for 3.0 til next meeting, pending a month for people to decide if they want to pick up maintenance? 02:12:39 <slef> don't mind. depends what clients will fund 02:12:57 <slef> but I'll be surprised 02:12:59 <rangi> right, back at my desk 02:13:07 <Space_Librarian> ditto 02:13:09 <Brooke> wiz: we've done that for like 2 months now. 02:13:26 <wizzyrea> fair enough 02:13:29 <slef> we've only one lib on 3.0 with no upgrade plan yet 02:13:45 <mtj> if 3.4 is stable, and 3.2 is old-stable, whats 3.0? ..... very-old-stable? 02:13:56 <Space_Librarian> ancient stable 02:13:57 <Irma> Irma Birchall - CALYX - Sorry for arriving late 02:14:03 <wizzyrea> well it's currently without a RMaint, as hdl resigned today ;) 02:14:08 <Brooke> a late irma > no irma :) 02:14:13 <wizzyrea> so I think that might be it's death knell 02:14:28 <Brooke> okay 02:14:32 <Brooke> here is what I propose 02:14:46 <Brooke> we vote to kill it effective next meeting should no one step up in the interim 02:14:49 <Brooke> is that amenable? 02:14:54 <slef> yep 02:14:54 <rhcl> why did hdl resign? Did he feel that it's time had passed, or is he just too busy? 02:15:07 <rangi> bit of both afaict 02:15:11 <wizzyrea> ^^ 02:15:14 <rangi> and i agree 02:15:19 <wizzyrea> I think the time has come 02:15:40 <Brooke> any objections to a kill as of next meeting? 02:15:48 <Space_Librarian> nope 02:15:53 <mtj> nope 02:15:55 <wizzyrea> +1 to kill as of next meeting 02:15:55 <rhcl> none 02:16:02 <druthb> +1 02:16:09 <mtj> +1 02:16:15 <Space_Librarian> +1 02:16:52 <Brooke> reading none, motion carries 02:17:11 <Brooke> #action Should 3.0 not be adopted by an RM by next meeting, it will be a very dead parrot. 02:17:28 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.4 02:18:21 <wizzyrea> again no chris_n :/ 02:18:25 <rangi> oh re 3.2.8 02:18:31 <rangi> its in string freeze 02:18:37 <Brooke> we should carry a nonsense motion to larn im ;) 02:18:38 <rangi> will be released on the 15th 02:18:52 <Brooke> oh sweet 02:18:52 <wizzyrea> nice :) 02:18:53 <rangi> 3.4.1 will go into string freeze then 02:19:00 <rangi> and released on the 22nd 02:19:12 <wizzyrea> timed_releases++ 02:19:26 <rangi> after 3.2.8 depending on if any patches come in, a 3.2.9 and 3.2.10 may follow 02:19:36 * rangi is reading from chris_n's email 02:19:56 <rangi> 3.4.x will be released on the 22nd of every month 02:20:11 <rangi> up until october, when 3.6.0 will be released 02:20:18 <rangi> (and barring any security issues) 02:20:27 <rangi> thats all i know 02:20:33 <rangi> you can track progress from here 02:20:49 <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4 02:22:08 <rangi> thats all i know :) 02:22:42 <wizzyrea> lovely, thanks 02:22:54 <mtj> cool, nice work chris 02:22:54 <Brooke> that's a lot :D 02:23:18 <Brooke> #topic Roadmap to 3.6 02:23:23 <wizzyrea> chris_n++ #for maintaining 2 versions at once 02:23:30 <Brooke> indeed 02:23:35 <Brooke> chris_n++ 02:23:36 <rangi> ok, thats on track 02:23:46 <rangi> http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/ 02:24:25 <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.6 02:24:32 <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 02:24:38 <rangi> nothing more to report really 02:24:43 <rangi> just sign off :) 02:24:54 <Irma> rangi ++ 02:25:04 <Brooke> rangi++ 02:25:12 <wizzyrea> rangi++ 02:25:19 <Space_Librarian> rangi++ 02:25:30 <rhcl> rangi++ 02:25:51 <druthb> rangi++ 02:27:00 <Brooke> #topic KohaCon 2011 02:27:05 <Brooke> not seein kmkale. 02:27:18 <Space_Librarian> nope... 02:27:38 <Brooke> Bueller? 02:28:23 <wizzyrea> hrm 02:28:30 <rangi> moving on? 02:28:38 <Brooke> I'm going to go with 02:28:46 <Brooke> there were several sponsorships so far 02:28:49 <rangi> #idea ask kmkale to email the list with an update 02:28:51 <Brooke> which is fortunate 02:29:01 <Brooke> and there have been a few proposals 02:29:05 <Brooke> which is also fortunate 02:29:05 <wahanui> okay, Brooke. 02:29:14 <Space_Librarian> but no sponsorships from bigger koha users 02:29:21 <Brooke> stay posted over at http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 02:29:22 <Brooke> to 02:29:23 <Brooke> o 02:29:47 <Brooke> #topic KohaCon 2012 02:30:04 <Space_Librarian> exciting. Are we still bullying people? 02:30:17 <rhcl> ? 02:30:48 <Brooke> I prefer "convincing". 02:30:51 <Space_Librarian> we were trying persuade some people south america would be good for 2012 last meeting... 02:31:02 <Space_Librarian> persuade is also a good word 02:31:15 * druthb suggests Lawrence, KS, just to hear wizzyrea scream a little. 02:31:18 <Brooke> yeah, persuasion, that's the ticket. 02:31:24 <wizzyrea> ! 02:31:27 <rhcl> I support that! 02:31:43 <rhcl> Cheap airfare for me. 02:31:55 <rangi> i think north is probably due 02:32:02 <Space_Librarian> can we use sparkly red shoes in the logo? 02:32:06 <wizzyrea> lol 02:32:14 <wizzyrea> there's no place like home, they tell me 02:32:21 * druthb enjoys making wizzyrea go "!" 02:32:25 <Brooke> pfft Europe'd due before North. 02:32:29 <Space_Librarian> prince edward island... 02:32:29 <wizzyrea> ^^ 02:32:32 <rangi> thats what i mean 02:32:33 <Space_Librarian> :p 02:32:35 <wizzyrea> maybe 2013 ;) 02:32:37 <rangi> real north 02:32:39 <Brooke> my typing is atrocious, sorry. 02:32:43 <rangi> not north america 02:32:51 <Space_Librarian> canada? 02:33:06 <Space_Librarian> (is still north america) never mind 02:33:15 <rangi> but really, there should be no convincing needed, someone should volunteer if they want to 02:33:25 <wizzyrea> ^^ 02:33:30 <Brooke> tyres might have been kicked 02:33:49 <Brooke> just as there were some Africans kicking tyres >:) 02:33:54 <Space_Librarian> that's some heavy persuasion there, Brooke 02:34:05 * Brooke looks innocent. 02:34:33 <Space_Librarian> magnus_away did say may 2013 as well... 02:34:38 <Space_Librarian> maybe* 02:34:41 <Brooke> well, we thought about it, and nengard's not here to pester us about acting on it 02:34:51 <Space_Librarian> true 02:35:08 <Brooke> oooh there's a thought. I'd only mind if it conflicted with eg 02:35:13 <Brooke> which I think would be a bad idea. 02:35:48 <slef> can we call for dates before next meeting? 02:35:50 <Space_Librarian> UK - since their nat archives will be on Koha... 02:36:06 <druthb> There was some talk at KUDOS last week about having a joing EG and KUDOS con starting in 2013. Most of the enthusiasm came from the two or three folks who attended both... 02:36:12 <Brooke> not to mention we had UK last bid round :D 02:36:28 <Space_Librarian> we did... 02:36:34 <Irma> what are we hoping to achieve discussing Kohacon 2012 at this stage? 02:36:47 <slef> bah it's unethical to go round announcing your clients 02:36:53 <Space_Librarian> a shortlist by the time koha2011 finishes 02:37:13 <Brooke> and it ought give people a wee bit more prep time than they've had in the past. 02:37:22 <Space_Librarian> preferably the next conference venue 02:37:42 <Irma> Is it time then to call on the e-list for expressions of interest? 02:37:54 <wizzyrea> yep, let's do that 02:38:00 <Space_Librarian> you'll need a set of dates for that... 02:38:06 <Space_Librarian> otherwise, good idea. 02:38:06 <Brooke> #idea listserv eoi for KohaCon 2012 02:38:18 <wizzyrea> nah, that's part of the eoi 02:38:22 <Brooke> sponsor decides dates methinks 02:38:25 <wizzyrea> ^^ 02:38:41 * Space_Librarian nods 02:38:54 <slef> look 02:38:56 <Irma> re dates: we need to look at an international list of library events ... 02:39:10 <Space_Librarian> yeah. 02:39:13 <slef> last time, ppl complained about collisions with other events 02:39:35 <Space_Librarian> got that problem in NZ this year 02:40:02 <slef> I don't know where to find dates for events in Aus or India... let's get some boundaries 02:40:19 <Brooke> it's always going to collide with something, just hopefully that something is not something that would sap attendance 02:40:48 <slef> hope and two quid will buy you a coffee :-/ 02:40:53 <Irma> the IFLA website has events info 02:41:20 <Space_Librarian> so does ALIA... for international conferences 02:41:42 <slef> cool, are there gaps? 02:41:43 <Space_Librarian> ALA mid-June... 02:42:28 <wizzy_away> (for just a min) 02:42:45 <Irma> I suggest we ask on the e-list and produce a Doodle survey for the best month 02:42:55 <druthb> Irma++ 02:42:58 <Space_Librarian> good idea 02:43:09 <Irma> and the sponsor makes the last decision 02:43:17 <slef> Irma: good idea. can you? 02:43:20 <Irma> sponsor/host 02:43:38 <Irma> I can slef if you like ... 02:43:47 <Brooke> #idea doodle survey for best month for KohaCon 02:43:48 <slef> I like 02:43:52 <Irma> Brooke? Do you wish me to prepare that? 02:43:54 <slef> Irma++ 02:43:57 <Brooke> Do I ever :D 02:44:00 <Brooke> Irma++ 02:44:05 <Brooke> I shall be your minion if necessary. 02:44:14 <slef> #action Irma to doodle for best month 02:44:19 <Irma> Ok then "watch that space" 02:44:20 <Space_Librarian> Irma++ 02:44:39 <slef> #action Brooke to provide general minioning 02:45:00 <Brooke> tough act to follow, but does anyone else have any bril ideas on this topic? 02:45:15 <Brooke> pfft, not general minioning, minioning to Irma :P 02:45:28 <Space_Librarian> hehe 02:45:33 <Irma> hehe 02:46:17 <Brooke> righto 02:46:19 <Space_Librarian> er... will get back to you. 02:46:26 <Space_Librarian> we had a good list last meeting 02:46:27 <Brooke> #topic DB Documentation Management 02:47:00 <rangi> no nicole 02:47:09 <rangi> i propose we save this for next meeting 02:47:20 <Brooke> tabled barring objections 02:47:28 <druthb> +1 to table 02:47:51 <Space_Librarian> +1 to table 02:47:55 <Irma> +1 to table 02:47:56 <rhcl> +1 02:48:23 <Brooke> right DB Documentation Management may now kiss the bride. 02:48:27 <slef> +1 to shelve 02:48:44 <Brooke> #topic Miscellaneous Olde Business. 02:48:49 <slef> ;-) 02:48:52 <Brooke> MJ 02:48:56 <Brooke> ba dum cha 02:49:57 <Brooke> nuffin? 02:50:18 <slef> not yet, not prepared 02:50:33 * Space_Librarian watches the tumbleweed roll past 02:50:46 <Brooke> k 02:50:53 <Brooke> #topic time of next meeting 02:51:58 <rhcl> this time didn't seem to promote a good turnout 02:52:08 <rangi> 8 hours from now 02:52:14 <rangi> continue on the 8 hour rotation 02:52:15 <rangi> ? 02:52:20 <Space_Librarian> yep 02:52:23 <Irma> yep 02:52:36 <Space_Librarian> 14 June? 02:52:38 <rangi> so 10:00 UTC 02:52:50 <Irma> and consult the elaborate spreadsheet prepared after last meeting 02:52:58 <rangi> oh god, do we have to? 02:53:00 <Space_Librarian> :) 02:53:09 <rangi> spreadsheets make me vomit 02:53:14 <rangi> i think im allergic 02:53:20 <slef> me only if xlsx 02:53:37 <Irma> all is good guys ... I was just kidding! 02:53:54 <rangi> phew :) 02:54:01 <slef> Real Community are here 02:54:03 <Brooke> ya mean http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Meeting_Starting_Times 02:54:05 <Brooke> ? 02:54:55 <Space_Librarian> 10:00 UTC an issue? 02:55:12 <Irma> yes Brooke but it was to inform us of the past to make the future easier and as fair as possible 02:55:22 <Brooke> a yep 02:55:27 <wizzyrea> ya, +8h from now 02:55:30 <Brooke> that was a yep to Irma 02:55:41 <Space_Librarian> when? 02:55:51 <Irma> +8 hours from now is good for me too 02:55:53 <Brooke> it is also nice because it doesn't screw Europe, who was screwed this go. 02:55:53 <wahanui> okay, Brooke. 02:56:01 <wizzyrea> forget it 02:56:01 <wahanui> wizzyrea: I forgot it 02:56:18 <jcamins_away> Wasn't it 10:00 UTC last month? 02:56:29 <Irma> what time would that be for you wizzyrea? 02:56:33 <rangi> oh maybe we need to go -8 then 02:56:34 <wizzyrea> 5am is early for me, with luck i'd have insomnia ;) 02:56:35 <rangi> lemme look 02:56:47 * jcamins_away has no objection, just confused 'cause he thought he remembered being up super-early last time. 02:56:50 <rangi> yes it was 02:56:54 <Space_Librarian> should be -8 02:56:58 <Space_Librarian> 6am for us... 02:57:01 <rangi> so this one should be -8 02:57:05 <rangi> thats ok 02:57:13 <rangi> im never asleep past then ;) 02:57:22 <wizzyrea> 1pm in CDT 02:57:27 <slef> it'd be nice if ppl would send apologies if they won't be here ;) 02:57:27 <rangi> good for europe and the US 02:57:36 <Irma> 4am for me then a bike ride ... OK! That works! 02:57:37 * wizzyrea curses daylight savings 02:57:47 * jcamins_away sends his apologies for June's meeting. 02:57:49 <Space_Librarian> do we have a date? 02:58:04 <rangi> you cant make 1pm jcamins_away ? 02:58:10 <jcamins_away> rangi: I can't make June. 02:58:13 <rangi> ahh 02:58:21 <wizzyrea> I think he'll be away somewhere exotic :) 02:58:27 <rangi> note it on the wiki page ;-) 02:58:29 <slef> jcamins_away: to the wiki is best, when it's there 02:58:34 <slef> snap! 02:58:40 <Irma> Space_librarian Good question! 02:58:46 <wizzyrea> it'd be 2 for him, he's in eastern ^.^ 02:58:46 <Space_Librarian> i thought so. :) 02:59:05 <rangi> 14 is fine by me 02:59:07 <Brooke> Holdin' it down on the East Siiiiidie. 02:59:24 <wizzyrea> keepin the middle from blowin awayeeee 02:59:33 <Brooke> yeah boy. 02:59:34 <wizzyrea> bg's kickin it on the WC 02:59:39 * Brooke is officially punchy. 03:00:08 <jcamins_away> Brooke++ # see, someone else *does* use the word punchy 03:00:17 <wizzyrea> :) 03:00:18 <wizzyrea> so 03:00:28 <Space_Librarian> so 6am on the 15th (NZDST) for moi 03:00:34 <slef> 14 ok afaict 03:00:53 <druthb> "A motion to adjourn is always in order." 'specially with the chair-being getting punchy. 03:01:02 <Brooke> can't 03:01:09 <slef> jcamins_away: what about snuck and frit? 03:01:12 <Brooke> I am chained to the gavel until we've a proper time and vote. 03:01:15 * druthb is close enough to Brooke to get punched....so.... 03:01:16 <rangi> ok so 14 June 18:00 UTC 03:01:16 <Irma> Brooke June 15th? 03:01:26 <slef> rangi++ 03:01:35 <Brooke> argh conflicting motions 03:01:36 <rangi> theres the proper 03:01:37 <wizzyrea> there it is 03:01:40 <Space_Librarian> 14th 03:01:40 <rangi> vote you scoundrels 03:01:42 <Brooke> traffic copping Rangi first 03:01:50 <druthb> +1 #rangi 03:01:59 <wizzyrea> 14 june 18:00 UTC 03:02:03 <Space_Librarian> +1 03:02:04 * rangi may have had a couple of beers at lunch 03:02:05 <Brooke> 14th June 18:00 UTC +1 03:02:05 <wizzyrea> +1 03:02:10 <Space_Librarian> he did too 03:02:19 <jcamins_away> slef: nah, those're Englishisms. ;) 03:02:24 <Irma> Brooke do you want me to add May and June to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Meeting_Starting_Times ? 03:02:28 <wizzyrea> doo eet 03:02:37 <Brooke> Irma I'll do eet 03:02:40 <wizzyrea> move to get back to your regularly scheduled koha bidniz 03:02:42 <Brooke> that's yeoman's woik. 03:02:49 <Irma> thanks Brooke 03:02:50 <Brooke> k 03:02:50 <Space_Librarian> oh, can we short out wiki email validation things yet? 03:03:00 <Brooke> barring objections 14 June 1800 UTC it is. 03:03:03 <wizzyrea> no gmcharlt tonight :( 03:03:10 <Space_Librarian> d'oh 03:03:33 <Brooke> fine 03:03:36 <slef> Space_Librarian: in what way JOOI? 03:03:44 <Brooke> #action 14 June 1800 UTC Next Meeting 03:03:55 <Brooke> #endmeeting