18:00:17 #startmeeting 18:00:17 Meeting started Wed Mar 21 18:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:35 Haere Mai welcome to the Koha Community General IRC meeting 18:00:50 please use #info to identify yerself for the record 18:00:59 #topic Introductions 18:01:05 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 18:01:16 #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services 18:01:20 #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions 18:01:28 #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 18:01:34 #info Liz Rea, NEKLS 18:01:36 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:01:50 #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, Allschwil/Basel, Switzerland 18:02:11 #info 18:02:33 oops, let me try again. #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions 18:02:39 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:02:43 #info Fred Pierre, Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library, Ohio 18:02:44 #info Albert Oller, ByWater Solutions 18:03:47 #info MJ Ray, software.coop 18:03:56 #info mason, kohaaloha, nz 18:04:24 Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions! 18:04:38 * cait whispers at Nate #info! :) 18:05:35 right moving along 18:05:40 #topic Announcements 18:05:42 #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG 18:05:42 #info Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions 18:05:47 :D 18:05:52 :D 18:06:32 nuffin in the agenda here 18:06:38 #info 18:06:40 and no one is saying a word, soooooo 18:06:56 #topic Roadmap to 3.4 18:06:58 #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions 18:07:17 * slef looks for the agenda 18:07:27 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_21_March_2012 18:07:41 #info last Koha IRC meeting notes -> http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.html 18:07:56 sweet, ta 18:08:12 cool. I'd got November's for some reason :-/ 18:08:15 ping chris_n 18:08:17 confused the hell out of me 18:08:27 here. sorry 18:08:44 no problem, we suck a lot of work out of ye 18:08:51 3.4 has taken a back seat atm 18:09:04 I hope to do at least one more release 18:09:13 but not this month unfortunately 18:09:15 * rangi is doing kids breakfast will be around from the bus 18:09:34 I think that's it for 3.4 18:09:38 okie dokie 18:09:46 any questions for the generous Chris N? 18:10:11 movin' on then 18:10:18 #topic Roadmap to 3.6 18:10:33 #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC 18:10:42 me again, heh? ;-) 18:10:43 ok 18:10:53 I plan to do a March 3.6 release 18:11:10 but may not be able to make it until second week in April 18:11:36 for those of you who may not know, my wife had a double cervical spine fusion earlier this month 18:11:40 so that's put a bit of a cramp in my schedule 18:11:49 that's it for 3.6 18:11:50 :) 18:11:55 :) 18:12:02 any questions on 3.6 folks? 18:12:37 Looking forward to faster pageloads on patron records! 18:12:54 Compared to 3.5 18:13:07 Great work! 18:13:52 #info Matthew Edmondson, sc 18:14:06 #topic Roadmap to 3.8 18:14:21 paul_p is not going to be here tonight 18:14:40 The agenda says feature freeze Monday 18:14:51 good point 18:14:54 I'm feeling chilly already 18:14:58 the Apologies said that, but I saw a paul p bounce in and out earlier 18:14:59 The librarians here at Hackfest are working very hard to test 18:15:01 so I was hopeful :) 18:15:10 and the mailnig lists show that clearly :) 18:15:29 there is a big group testing 18:15:38 testing++ 18:15:53 the agenda also says ginourmous performance gain 18:15:54 cait: I though the reason for this being so late in the month was so it was during Marseille hackfest :-/ 18:15:59 hackfest_participants++ 18:16:14 it's evening 18:16:15 slef, I think we must have gotten something mixed up somehow 18:16:23 so most have gone home, we are at the hotel now 18:16:30 perhaps it was a time confusion 18:16:39 plack helpd a bit... we have 0.7-2.5 s page load with plack (slow for search results, fast for eveyrhing lese) 18:16:54 s/lese/else/ 18:17:40 slef: I was unavailable the first week 18:17:51 no one wanted to do me jorb. 18:18:23 In what areas do you see performance gains in 3.8? 18:18:27 Brooke: ah. I was unavailable last meeting, so couldn't offer :) 18:18:42 data_doctor: that's probably better discussed after the meeting. 18:18:51 sure thing :) 18:19:24 besides, dpavlin's work won't be in 3.8 18:19:31 why 18:19:36 I think that's scarily relevant :D 18:19:52 oleonard: It wont? 18:19:58 unless no one can tell us that's here 18:20:05 in which case we'll move on 18:20:08 Oh, if I'm mistaken dpavlin correct me 18:20:22 Perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to 18:20:35 Brooke: my understanding was that this is a proof-of-concept for 3.10. 18:20:52 Brooke: I could be mistaken. 18:21:49 I think it will probably be 18:21:57 hooray for that :D 18:21:58 not sure .) dpavlin? 18:22:19 I mean a proof of concept and starting work 18:22:20 also dpavlin++ 18:22:27 yes dpavlin++ 18:22:29 sorry I'm late 18:22:40 We won't have full plack in 3.8 for sure, but I hope that some changes which are prereq will land before freeze 18:23:17 but, I *do* intend to run plack from next week on in my library, so... ;-) 18:23:18 #info Ian Walls, 3.8 QAM 18:23:34 dpavlin: testing is good :) 18:24:05 hmm dpavlin do you have a git repo somewhere that we could look at? Or your plack configs 18:24:29 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development 18:24:30 I'd be more than willing to throw that up on a community testing server 18:24:39 ah cool yeah I saw that 18:24:59 bag: I think they only began this week 18:25:00 #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack Plack and Performance stuff 18:25:11 and have been working on patches all day that are in bugzilla now :) 18:25:19 cait++ 18:25:28 thanks everyone at the hackfest 18:25:29 ah yeah with help from hdl we did that in NZ.. but there were certain problems :) 18:25:44 opac is much more stable in plack than intranet and it's already used by one franch library in production. 18:25:45 hopefully Paul is filling you all with wine and cheese :D 18:25:59 no wine, but we had cheese :) 18:26:02 right - it's circ that matters the most :) 18:26:29 * slef has wine. Not French, though. 18:26:42 dpavlin: I'd also suggest trying starman too - or at least testing it… :) 18:27:03 dpavlin does it speed the opac searching a bit? I've noticed a difference in speed between what I think is a fuzzy search and not. Hopefully that whittles some of the time off. 18:27:18 dpavlin: will plack work help with running Koha on mod_perl? 18:27:40 sekjal: it should 18:27:58 Brooke: it does help a bit with opac (mostly module loading time) 18:28:06 sweet :D good to know 18:28:21 awesome 18:28:45 sekjal: it *probably* will help with mod_perl, since we can wrap plack in mod_perl, but starman seems like better soltion, mostly because of leeking memory... 18:29:18 hello 18:29:29 any other burning 3.8 commentary? 18:29:36 working on bug 5549 fixes 18:29:37 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans 18:29:56 should be ready before feature freeze 18:30:02 gmcharlt: you around? 18:30:13 #Info Feature Freeze is Monday. Yes really. 18:30:31 #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions 18:30:58 moving on then 18:31:02 sekjal have you seen gmcharlt at computers in libraries 18:31:08 #topic Roles for 3.10 18:31:16 #info Chris Cormack at the bus stop 18:31:17 if so ask him about DOM indexing for biblios 18:31:28 Project Koha_master build #670: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/670/ 18:31:30 * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 1 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table 18:31:31 * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 2 - move sub writeoff to C4::Accounts 18:31:31 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7597 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fines not recording the right info in the stats table 18:31:32 * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 3 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table 18:31:32 * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 4 - Change C4::Acounts::WriteOff to WriteOffFee 18:31:32 * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 5 - Remove my from $branch, which was masking previous declaration 18:31:32 * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Change booksellers search results display 18:31:33 I think his goal was before freature freeze 18:31:33 * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display 18:31:33 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change booksellers search results display 18:31:34 * maxime.pelletier: Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations in the OPAC not to work in singlebranchmode. 18:31:34 * adrien.saurat: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709 18:31:35 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7748 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Date not formatted on "Add orders from iso2709 file" page 18:31:58 jenkins_koha: mute 18:31:59 slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute' 18:31:59 Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 18:32:06 galen said he plans to have a branch submitted by this friday for DOM indexing 18:32:26 ah thanks melia - well anyways sekjal if you see him - ask him :) 18:32:57 bag: no, haven't seen gmcharlt here 18:33:03 Just don't push things and Jenkins will be quiet 18:33:04 thanks 18:33:21 paul is gone, that job started before the meeting :P 18:33:21 So 3.10 roles? 18:33:41 rangi yep 18:33:42 Then quit moaning :) 18:33:55 we are still missing candidates for 2 important roles 18:34:14 looks like way more than 2 cait 18:34:16 translation manager and qa manager 18:34:23 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10 18:34:29 db doc manager and doc manager? 18:34:32 * cait searches for the link 18:34:38 it's on the agenda :) 18:34:45 ok, my scrolling is broken again 18:34:46 back 18:35:19 Three important roles, at least. Translation manager, QAM, and packaging manager, assuming that nengard is willing to do docs again. 18:35:29 #info Elliott Davis - UT Tyler 18:35:53 nengard's puppy is sick, so perhaps that is why she is elsewhere. 18:35:54 I think nengard is up for doc manager again… 18:36:04 Brooke: I think she's at an event too 18:36:09 she's at or on her way to computers in libraries 18:36:10 Im sure eythian will continue packaging 18:36:10 nengard is in her room working on CiL presentation, I think 18:36:15 we'd met for lunch earlier 18:36:29 ah, the internet, top stalking tool 18:37:00 enywhooo 18:37:11 think about if you want to volunteer for one of those posts 18:37:14 I suspect lack of names in the wiki for roles is from lack of attention to 3.10 roles in the wiki. 18:37:22 find someone that's done it in the past to see if you're a match 18:37:23 and uh 18:37:24 i wanna do packing stuff too 18:37:26 yeah. 18:38:06 fredericd: are you extant? 18:38:32 Since we don't have all the volunteers, there's not much we can do. Except maybe propose a deadline? 18:38:43 #help Fill the Slots on the Roles for 3.10 page with Volunteers 18:38:46 It's not easily split mtj but u could do some cpan packaging that would help 18:39:16 oleonard I agree and would add that it's rapidly approaching 18:39:27 mtj: could you put yourself and eythian down as packaging managers? 18:39:36 Ask eythian about the debian Perl team 18:39:37 I think that's what we did for 3.8 18:39:56 Or packaging manager and grasshopper? :) 18:39:57 rangi: *nod* and jcamins , yep :) 18:40:04 would anyone be so kind as to send out a message to the lists looking for help? 18:40:17 Qam is the big one IMHO 18:40:22 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10 18:40:37 yep 18:40:47 we really need to find qam and one more assistant I think 18:41:05 cait: has joubu said anything about continuing (or not)? 18:41:36 not afaik 18:41:38 * sekjal would like to keep contributing to QA efforts 18:41:48 sekjal++ 18:41:57 sekjal++ 18:41:58 sekjal++ 18:42:00 Cool assistant? 18:42:11 Or manager? 18:42:14 quick, someone should edit the wiki ;) 18:42:34 * oleonard checks the locks on sekjal's shackles 18:42:38 * sekjal is uneasy about volunteering for a 3rd QAM term, with the recent job change 18:42:43 * Brooke helps oleonard. 18:43:36 does Cait have the time for QAM? 18:43:41 Assistant makes sense 18:44:07 I think qam manager requiresmore skills than I currently have 18:44:12 hopefully one day 18:45:06 hmm, i think i could help out with some QA stuff, too? 18:45:17 mtj you'd probably be good at that. 18:45:40 We can't convince Marcel to do Qam and get another assistant? 18:45:44 Bus Driver's empty 18:45:52 I like rangi's idea 18:45:57 * jcamins too 18:46:07 how about a bunch of assistants but no M 18:46:08 * chris_n points cait to the koha user's list 18:46:22 hm? 18:46:42 bag how'd that work? 18:46:48 Bag: don't think that will work 18:46:53 I think the only difference between assistants and the manager is as tie-breaker and work allocater 18:47:04 or at least that's how it worked this last cycle 18:47:08 which I think cait could do :) 18:47:15 but mainly it's better than nothing 18:47:16 anchio Brendan 18:47:30 Not if she doesn't want to 18:48:01 Sure, if we're allowed to draft people we can just get rangi again :P 18:48:02 I am torn 18:48:14 * Brooke bribes Cait with sweets. 18:48:17 I am not sure I would be good for this job 18:48:21 we've had releases with no QA before and I think we need to at least think about how to work with assistants 18:48:24 * Brooke is pretty darn sure. 18:48:25 I can offer to think about it 18:48:41 Bag ur joking right? 18:48:44 but qama not qam 18:48:46 * Brooke does the happy dance. 18:49:01 QA team is required 18:49:07 ^ 18:49:08 well what if no one volunteers for QAM rangi 18:49:15 but whether one stands apart from the rest as 'manager'... 18:49:26 bag: I think it's too early to say noone volunteers 18:49:30 I'm not sure I see the immediate difference in workflow 18:49:33 and we really need one 18:49:34 thanks sekjal that is what I was trying to say 18:49:51 perhaps it's just that QAM is ultimately on the hook for all the QA team? 18:49:59 pretty much 18:50:16 ... that doesn't sound right, though, since RM can jump QA, at his own discretion and peril 18:50:46 sekjal: there has to be someone who can say definitively "this does not pass QA." With four QAAs, you have a situation where everyone has to offer an opinion. 18:50:56 (and then you'd have a deadlock) 18:51:05 Okay, consider the situation with five QAAs. 18:52:01 if we're thinking of QAM in this regard, as a tie-breaker and responsible party, then it doesn't sound like it's that different than the day to day of QA 18:52:08 ok, so we may not get a QAM role confirmed today... :) 18:52:11 If no one would come forward, for QAM, the authority of main QAM could rotate by week, or by 'tag you are it'. 18:52:46 and if it's not a change in normal workflow, then I think I could take on the additional work going from QAA to QAM 18:52:53 or what if the qam was really the one to say "these problems identified by the assistants are no-go's, this fails" 18:52:56 there we go thd is thinking outside the box :) 18:52:57 if everyone is comfortable with that 18:53:20 or what wizzyrea said :) 18:53:26 that seems like more articulations than are strictly necessary 18:53:45 wizzyrea++ 18:53:50 sekjal++ 18:53:59 How about we post to the mailing list 18:54:02 though I'd probably be happier if sekjal just stayed on :P 18:54:02 what if the QAM were Wizzyrea? 18:54:04 >.> 18:54:05 <.< 18:54:06 We need not choose today. 18:54:21 if he feels able. 18:54:29 And see who applies 18:54:36 yeah thd prolly discussed this to death 18:54:39 yes, lets do that. 18:54:42 Makes sense. 18:54:43 so think about volunteering 18:54:44 hmm, well sekjal has a beard... does that not give him more QA authority? 18:54:45 We can discuss the problem of an empty main role further if it actually happens. 18:54:56 beards++ 18:55:01 beards-- 18:55:26 #topic KohaCon201`2 18:55:33 take it away MJ 18:55:34 I thnk we should have the next meeting before release then - only noting for later 18:55:37 #topic KohaCon2012 18:56:10 ok 18:56:13 k 18:56:32 cait yep I agree, we'll sort that later, though 18:56:38 #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 18:56:45 mle is leading on all things Edinburgh, I'm going to lead the schedule 18:56:57 mle, say whatever you want, plus correct me when I good 18:57:00 goof ;) 18:57:19 we've got some great volunteers already, but could do with more 18:57:28 * oleonard waves, leaving for dinner 18:57:40 I've posted a form so people can request invitations at 18:57:46 #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ 18:57:55 for sponsors or visas or that sort of thing. 18:58:07 one question i have for this meeting is whether it would be handy to ask our Edinburgh friends for sofa spaces? 18:58:20 The next things to open are papers and general registrations, I think, which will be on that same web page. 18:58:27 ther are lots of cheap hostels though ; / 18:58:48 Thanks to wizzyrea for help setting that page up. 18:58:50 mle: only the locals know where to get good haggis. 18:58:51 yes MLE 18:59:04 ! you're welcome but you really did it :P 18:59:09 so, slef++ 18:59:12 Yep on that page is good I think 18:59:23 If you'd like to help volunteer, msg me for the email address. 18:59:33 help by volunteering 18:59:46 as I'm clearly so overloaded I've not time to type full words, clearly 18:59:50 :) 18:59:55 and/or repeating yourself :) 19:00:25 wizzyrea: The next things to open are papers and general registrations 19:00:33 so I need numbers but if there is ineterest I can ask for sofa spaces 19:01:02 #Info If you want to crash and have no dough, please talk to mle about sofa spaces 19:01:21 we are looking to pledgebank the excursion day, so we must get on with that. But I would be keen to get numbers/interest for a fishing trip. 19:01:32 Ok bus stop brb 19:02:22 #Info if you are a looking for a sofa space ask me ASAP so that I can see what can be done. : ) 19:02:53 mle: Where is the place in which you are acquiring information about numbers? 19:02:54 help 19:03:11 ok, I just got confused 19:03:22 sorry about that 19:03:34 thd good question. 19:03:37 did any known volunteers not get yesterday's or today's emails? 19:03:54 ah, never mind, it just got stuck in some filters. 19:04:15 (at the volunteer side, not ours) 19:05:14 will there be an IRC meeting about KohaCon? 19:05:17 We'll be posting a call for sponsors soon, but we've had a small setback with our first choice on that. 19:06:11 Brooke we shoudl have an IRC chan for KohaCon12 19:06:30 dunno 19:06:40 mle: a separate channel, really? 19:06:40 seems like there's enough material to at least warrant a meeting 19:06:43 could be wrong, though 19:06:58 back 19:07:07 I'm 90% sure there will be a Gold Sponsor package where you get everything we're offering in exchange for amounts > N, so if any organisations would like to suggest numbers, please do. 19:07:35 Brooke: you might be right now, or at least there will be soon. 19:07:48 * Brooke nods. 19:07:50 Any first suggestions for a time/date? Give me 5 and I'll run a poll. 19:09:20 OK, I'll pull 5 out of my nose 19:09:23 wednesdays at 18:00 19:09:53 mle: UTC, BST or what? ;) 19:10:03 BST ; ) 19:10:12 heh 19:10:17 wednesday is fine for me 19:10:24 will be travelling until tuesday 19:10:24 great 19:10:48 #info KohaCon meetings Wednesdays at 18.00 mebbe 19:10:58 anything else on KohaCon 19:10:59 ? 19:11:00 ok any more suggestions? I expect wed 19:00 UTC to be popular here, as it's roughly when we're all here. 19:11:05 Not unless anyone has more questions? 19:11:06 that is i think 7am thursday for me 19:11:11 which is good 19:11:51 btw, nengard says she accepts 3.10 Doc Manager 19:11:58 eggsellent. 19:12:17 thd: kohacon12ATsoftwareDOTcoop should be operational now. numbers, questions etc. 19:12:36 sweet 19:12:39 nengard++ 19:12:48 #topic GBSW 19:13:06 It's Global Bug Squashing Week 19:13:09 grab a sandbox 19:13:13 squash things. 19:13:19 kristina did a nice post about it 19:13:32 lots of signoffs and QA passings so far this week 19:13:34 more to come 19:13:38 if you don't link it, it doesn't exist ;) 19:13:39 why do my sandboxes always fill with quicksand and eat me? 19:13:50 http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/03/21/squashing-bugs/ 19:14:20 yes 19:14:26 even with all the hackfest librarians 19:14:33 there are sitll a lot of things to be tested 19:14:36 and bugs to be squashed 19:14:47 I started looking through the list of critical bugs soome days ago 19:14:52 there is lots of work to do! 19:15:05 yep 19:15:25 hourly loans is nearly ready 19:15:28 yay! 19:15:39 please don't only focus on ne features (I know we all love them) - but also look out for bugs to be fixed! 19:15:45 and tested... and so on 19:15:54 I've got a patch ready to test that should fix the suspension in days issues found at hackfest 19:16:09 sweet, i still cant replicate the renewal issue 19:16:16 speak of the devil :D 19:16:21 rangi: nor I 19:16:30 hm 19:16:33 itemlevel itypes? 19:16:34 not sure 19:16:40 or something else being different? 19:16:50 hi Brooke. :-) 19:17:08 .. and all others 19:17:23 hi all 19:18:10 hi anitsirk :) 19:18:19 hi cait 19:18:25 hi zeno - back home? 19:18:30 so moving on 19:18:34 yes 19:18:38 just arrive 19:18:39 #topic Actions from Last Meeting 19:18:43 there's not much meat there 19:19:02 there were a few things discussed over the lists, which I think is good 19:19:17 because there definitely seems like there was less minutia in this meeting, which is also happy 19:19:53 :) 19:20:06 any other old business apart from me? 19:20:32 #topic Miscellaneous 19:20:38 any general stuff? 19:20:43 * mle chuckles 19:21:20 #topic Time and Date of Next General Meeting 19:21:40 so the request was for before 23 april 19:21:45 which I think we can do 19:21:53 we might even have 2 in april if folks feel the need 19:22:01 so we can have one for nominations and one for actual voting 19:22:02 or not 19:22:05 whatevs. 19:22:14 not sure 19:22:20 4 April is the first Wednesday 19:22:23 conflicts on that? 19:22:33 should work for me 19:22:53 sound workable to me 19:23:01 email about roles needs to go out asap then 19:23:14 for me +1 19:23:17 to give time for ppl to talk to husbands, wives, bosses etc 19:23:19 NAFAIK. 10am UTC? 19:23:22 next one is meant to be 10.00 UTC 19:23:39 rangi are you volunteering to do that? 19:23:43 no 19:23:44 cause if not, we need someone to 19:24:04 #help someone send a reminder like yesterday about roles to be filled for next meeting 19:24:37 so proper vote please 19:24:40 next meeting 19:24:40 next meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0 19:24:51 4 April 10 UTC 19:24:52 wahanui: forget next meeting 19:24:53 slef: I forgot next meeting 19:24:58 +1 for this is good with you 19:25:07 +1 19:25:22 +1 19:25:24 * thd exempts himself from email writing as he departs the city for a few days in search of cold weather. 19:25:25 +1 19:25:38 +1 19:25:58 +1 19:26:25 +1 19:26:45 #agreed Time and Date of Next General Meeting is 4 April 10.00 UTC 19:26:49 #endmeeting