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10:00:06 <wahanui> if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
10:00:20 <Brooke> Haere Mai, Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting
10:00:27 <Brooke> please introduce yourselves using #info
10:00:31 <magnuse> #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:00:38 <druthb> #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions, USA
10:00:40 <slef> #info MJ Ray, www.software.coop
10:00:41 <dpavlin_> #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG, Croatia
10:00:42 <kf> #info Katrin Fischer, BZS, Germany
10:00:43 <oleonard> #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
10:00:45 <paul_p> #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, France, current Koha Release Manager
10:00:46 <rangi> #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ
10:00:50 <slef> no #topic Brooke ?
10:00:51 <jwagner> #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
10:01:05 <ColinC> #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd
10:01:06 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:01:17 <fredericd> #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France
10:01:29 <mtj> #info mason james, kohaaloha, nz
10:01:37 <BobB> #info BobB
10:01:44 <drojf1> #info Mirko Tietgen, Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin, Germany
10:02:14 <mbalmer> #info Marc Balmer, Koha Support Switzerland & micro systems
10:02:25 <sekjal> #info Ian Walls, current QAM
10:03:01 <mveron> #info Marc Véron  / marc veron ag allschwil Switzerland
10:03:18 <BobB> #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
10:03:46 <asaurat> #info Adrien Saurat, BibLibre
10:03:55 <eythian_home> #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, New Zealand
10:04:44 <Brooke> any general announcements?
10:05:34 <rangi> Submit talk proposals ... now :)
10:05:46 <Brooke> Roadmap to 3.4 anyone?
10:07:01 <Brooke> moving on to 3.6
10:07:36 * Brooke guesses Chris is still asleep.
10:08:05 <Brooke> 3.8 anyone?
10:08:20 <rangi> paul_p?
10:08:21 <wahanui> well, paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
10:08:36 <kf> #topic Roadmap to 3.8
10:08:37 <paul_p> yep, i'm here and have things to say
10:09:10 <paul_p> * the string freeze if for friday/monday. Only bugfixes will be accepted after this date.
10:09:20 <paul_p> * the release is still expected for april 23th
10:09:40 <paul_p> rangi = i'll send you an email requesting some help/feedback about how you made releases before
10:10:08 <rangi> paul_p: ok
10:10:11 <jcamins> Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services #info
10:10:26 <paul_p> * dpavlin_ is doing an awesome job to make the staff interface Plack compliant. I think i'll mark it as experimental for 3.8 release, but will encourage ppl to use it
10:10:30 <clrh> #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre
10:10:55 <sekjal> there are currently 17 bugs that are signed off.  however, some of these are larger features
10:10:56 <paul_p> (just for those who missed the info = speed x3 with plack. that's worth it !)
10:11:05 <rangi> id warn them there are lots of gotchas still in the plack stuff
10:11:07 <slef> /me hands jcamins a #info
10:11:26 <jcamins> slef: I had a #info.
10:11:28 <kmkale> #info Koustubha Kale
10:11:39 <rangi> jcamins: it only works if its at the start of the line
10:11:52 <jcamins> Ah, no one told me that. :)
10:11:59 * kf hands jcamins scissors to cut them out and move them :)
10:11:59 <jcamins> #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
10:12:46 <sekjal> two bugs in the Needs Signoff queue are marked as blockers
10:12:55 <paul_p> sekjal = about 17 patches & larger features => OK for the fact, we agree. Did you have an idea behing saying that ?
10:13:18 <dpavlin_> I would suggest for all developers to move to plack, and for production we still have to iron out some caching quirks
10:13:43 <sekjal> paul_p:  just providing some statistical info… haven't had coffee yet
10:13:48 <rangi> yeah i would not run it in production there are still issues with things like sysprefs
10:13:54 <paul_p> dpavlin_ sounds fair.
10:14:04 <rangi> but the more developers who run it the faster they will be fixed
10:14:21 <paul_p> rangi which issues are there ? sysprefs are cached forever and, if changed, they are not taken into account ?
10:14:22 <dpavlin_> wap, I have proposal for Koha::Persistant but will fire it koha-dev after meeting
10:14:35 <rangi> paul_p: exactly that
10:14:46 <rangi> but only cached in the thread
10:14:53 <rangi> so 2 threads can have different values
10:14:58 <rangi> things like that
10:15:14 <dpavlin_> yap, but we can fix that using unmemoize in right places and/or invalidating our $caches
10:15:19 <paul_p> dpavlin_ with thread dying after 30 requests, won't the correct value being recalculated after at most 30 requests ?
10:15:34 <mbalmer> asynchronous notifications could help here, but I don't know if MySQL has them (where an insert or update triggers a message)
10:15:41 <dpavlin_> paul_p: yap. but 30 requests can be a long time when site is idle
10:15:42 <kf> I think to be usable we need a way to make it react to configuratoin changes
10:15:53 <rangi> its not a mysql, or memoize thing
10:16:02 <rangi> they are set to a value in the module
10:16:02 <kf> it's not helpful when you have to guess when a switch you switched will take effect
10:16:13 <paul_p> kf agreed. Maybe some button in admin-home.pl to "restart" plack if it's possible
10:16:14 <dpavlin_> kf: 3.8.1 I would guess :-)
10:16:43 * paul_p is impatient to see dpavlin_ Koha::Persistent proposal ;-)
10:16:47 <rangi> dpavlin_: and 30 requests issuing to a hard due date that is different to another .. could be messy
10:16:58 <eythian_home> paul_p: in general, band-aids like that are a bad thing compared to doing it right.
10:17:08 <sekjal> at the very least, I think a little indicator light in the About section to show if Plack/FastCGI/mod_perl are running
10:17:17 <sekjal> oh, and Zebra, too
10:17:24 <paul_p> sekjal++
10:17:48 <kf> eythian++ :)
10:17:49 <paul_p> about 3.8, I also want to thank oleonard for the awesome job he made on standardizing templates !
10:18:09 <paul_p> (sekjal = another ++ if you submit a patch ;-) )
10:18:20 <paul_p> s/templates/template vocabulary/
10:18:23 <sekjal> paul_p:  :)
10:18:56 <oleonard> I've had a slow start getting back from Hackfest, but I'm happy to keep at it
10:19:44 * dpavlin_ opened Bug 7895
10:19:48 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7895 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Add Plack/FastCGI/mod_perl server configuration and Zebra info to about
10:19:59 <kf> perhaps change assignee :)
10:20:48 <Brooke> are we all talked out on the 3.8 Roadmap stuff?
10:21:07 <slef> good work on Plack
10:21:12 <kf> lots of awesome things around the corner - sign offers and testers needed :)
10:21:12 <paul_p> Brooke I think so.
10:21:23 <paul_p> as usual...
10:21:27 <slef> I've some ideas I'll try to throw in
10:21:32 <Brooke> #topic Roles 3.10
10:21:53 <eythian_home> msg magnuse signing off bug 7885 for you
10:21:53 <huginn> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7885 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Change filename of TransferLog suggested by packages to fit with logrotate
10:21:55 <eythian_home> oops
10:21:58 <Brooke> okie dokie going down the list
10:22:09 <Brooke> please +1 for each candidate
10:22:24 <Brooke> RM - Paul Poulain
10:22:27 <druthb> +1
10:22:28 <magnuse> +1
10:22:32 <asaurat> +1
10:22:34 <oleonard> +1
10:22:35 <thd> +1
10:22:35 <eythian_home> +1
10:22:36 <jcamins> +1
10:22:36 <rangi> +1
10:22:37 <drojf1> +1
10:22:38 <mbalmer> +1
10:22:39 <dpavlin_> +1
10:22:40 <kf> +1
10:22:45 <ColinC> +1
10:22:46 <fredericd> +1
10:22:53 <BobB> +1
10:23:00 <mveron> +1
10:23:01 <kmkale> +1
10:23:07 <sekjal> +1
10:23:50 <Brooke> okie dokie
10:24:07 <Brooke> we're keeping Paul another 6 months before he's eligible for parole.
10:24:20 <Brooke> next we've got Translation Manager
10:24:31 <Brooke> Samuel Desseaux
10:24:44 <thd> +1
10:24:45 <rangi> fredericd: you didn't want to do ti again?
10:25:07 <fredericd> I can do it again...
10:25:09 <druthb> +1
10:25:10 <kf> I am a bit worried because no proposal and he is not here
10:25:17 <fredericd> Who is Samuel?
10:25:26 <paul_p> another frenchie ;-)
10:25:32 <fredericd> I tried to get in touch with him without success
10:25:35 <rangi> i wonder if fredericd and Samuel could work together
10:25:45 <Brooke> sounds like a plan
10:25:48 <paul_p> (not related to BibLibre at all. I remember seeing him once at a conference)
10:25:55 <fredericd> I agree
10:26:04 <Brooke> you agree
10:26:07 <Brooke> he's absent
10:26:17 <Brooke> so I'm going to just run with co Translation Managers
10:26:26 <Brooke> so +1 for both working together
10:26:29 <slef> +1
10:26:30 <rangi> +1
10:26:31 <thd> +1
10:26:33 <asaurat> +1
10:26:34 <kmkale> I propose fredericd continues am TM
10:26:52 <kmkale> *as
10:26:54 <jcamins> +1
10:26:55 <Brooke> hang on and see if this fails first
10:27:02 <Brooke> shouldn't have two motions simultaneously.
10:27:08 <fredericd> I don't know if Samuel is a librarian or a IT. I could help him setting up a Pootle server
10:27:23 <dpavlin_> marijana also wanted to help out with translations also, but not as full-TM.
10:27:28 <sekjal> +1 for co-TMs…. getting more people trained up on the procedure can only help us in the future
10:27:31 <magnuse> +1 for cooperation
10:27:36 <dpavlin_> +1 co-TM
10:27:41 <druthb> +1 cooperation
10:27:42 <oleonard> +1 co-TM
10:27:46 <kf> +1
10:27:47 <marijana> hi to all, sorry for being late
10:27:50 <rangi> i agree, mentoring is always good
10:27:53 <kf> I can continue helping on the mailing list
10:28:00 <fredericd> kf++
10:28:07 <druthb> kf++
10:28:12 <kf> I had admin rights to set up accounts - but not sure we want to keep it that way - samuel and fredericd should decide
10:28:13 <paul_p> francharb iirc, he's a geeky librarian
10:28:31 <kmkale> i would like to be mentored in translations stuff :)
10:28:40 <druthb> kmkale++
10:28:47 <fredericd> It's like a club now
10:28:51 <rangi> hehe
10:28:52 <Oak> kf++
10:28:54 <sekjal> Translation Team
10:29:03 <kf> T Team? :)
10:29:23 <Brooke> okay I'm going out on a limb and saying that the co chair thing passed
10:29:30 * gaetan_B is joining late too
10:29:31 <francharb> paul_p, ?
10:29:31 <wahanui> i heard paul_p, was it foreseen to have a SIP working group during the hackfest?
10:29:34 <Brooke> we have KF as an Assistant
10:29:41 <kmkale> we are trying to set up a summer project sorts for Marathi translation here
10:29:44 <gaetan_B> #info Gaetan Boisson, BibLibre
10:29:45 <Brooke> did you want to sign on as an Assistant too, marijana?
10:29:46 <francharb> 0/ all
10:29:48 * druthb watches Brooke out on a limb, and hides the tree-saw.
10:29:55 <paul_p> francharb yes ?
10:30:12 <francharb> paul_p, "paul_p> francharb iirc, he's a geeky librarian"
10:30:18 <rangi> francharb: i think paul_p meant to type that to fredericd
10:30:19 <dpavlin_> marijana: TT assistent++
10:30:26 <francharb> ahah
10:30:27 <francharb> ok
10:30:29 <paul_p> francharb oups, sorry, I made a nick mistake
10:30:30 <fredericd> Ok, so I propose to switch Pootle server to a dedicated VM. This way I will be able to give the keys to any volonteer, or TT exclusive member
10:30:31 <rangi> tab completion :)
10:30:36 <marijana> so, as dpavlin said, i would like to help
10:30:41 <rangi> fredericd++
10:30:43 <BobB> kmkale marathi translation ++
10:30:46 <rangi> thats a great idea
10:30:56 <thd> rangi: Samuel Desseaux had sent a message for his candidacy to the koha-devel list
10:30:57 <marijana> but we would not be able to maintain pootle server
10:30:58 <magnuse> marijana++
10:30:59 <paul_p> ++ for fredericd idea
10:31:10 <rangi> thd: i know that
10:31:23 <mbalmer> fwiw, I did a lot of SIP work.
10:31:50 <mbalmer> but the patch is pbply to young for 3.8 (and I dunno if it is signed off yet)
10:31:57 <Brooke> okay so +1 for Katrin and Marijana as Translation assistants
10:32:08 <slef> mbalmer: what's this to do with translations?
10:32:08 <drojf1> +1
10:32:10 <vfernandes> hi guys
10:32:26 <vfernandes> i'm still having problems with Koha and encodings
10:32:31 <mbalmer> slef, ah missed that, just saw the SIP comment earlier.
10:32:34 <kf> +1 for marijana :)
10:32:35 <jcamins> +1
10:32:42 <mbalmer> +1
10:32:44 <slef> +1
10:32:45 <druthb> +1 ! :)
10:32:52 <kmkale> +1
10:32:53 <dpavlin_> +1
10:32:54 <thd> +1
10:32:55 <rangi> +1
10:32:58 <fredericd> +1 for kf, marijana & samuel
10:33:01 <sekjal> +1
10:33:06 <ColinC> +1
10:33:13 <gaetan_B> +1
10:33:18 <marijana> dpavlin promised to help with encondings and utf-8 problems
10:33:24 <paul_p> +1
10:33:25 <BobB> vfernandes, you've arrived into a meeting.  Can you ask again when its finished?
10:33:45 <vfernandes> http://koha.ulusiada.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=101874 -> tags description: if i remove the concatenation the tag description appears fine
10:33:57 <kf> +1 for samuel and fredericd too of course
10:34:20 <vfernandes> ok BobB... sorry! I didn't know
10:34:33 <BobB> No probs  :)
10:34:40 <Brooke> that looks to have carried
10:34:49 <Brooke> moving on to Documentation
10:35:11 <Brooke> I'm going to roll general documentation and database documentation since it's both Nengard
10:35:19 <Brooke> holler if you like voting twice, and I'll separate that.
10:35:28 <druthb> Roll some other things on there, since she's not here to protest.
10:35:30 <druthb> :P
10:35:50 * Brooke sneaks dog grooming into documentation responsibilities...
10:36:09 <thd> +1
10:36:18 <rangi> +1
10:36:19 <jcamins> +1
10:36:20 <sekjal> +1
10:36:20 <BobB> BobB +1
10:36:22 <dpavlin_> +1
10:36:23 <Brooke> okie dokie, hearing no objections +1 for nengard
10:36:24 <oleonard> +1
10:36:25 <drojf1> +1
10:36:25 <marijana> +1
10:36:34 <fredericd> +1
10:36:34 <druthb> +1
10:36:41 <dpavlin_> Brooke: let us have our +1 fest!
10:37:04 <kf> +1
10:37:18 <BobB> these elections are a bit like those in Myanmar
10:37:30 <paul_p> BobB lol :D
10:37:31 <thd> :)
10:37:45 <Brooke> MY APPROVAL RATING IS 100% :P
10:37:48 <paul_p> +100 for nengard
10:37:49 <slef> +1
10:38:04 <ColinC> +1
10:38:16 <magnuse> +1
10:38:27 <sekjal> perhaps this shows we're on a good track with what we want as a community
10:38:47 <BobB> sekjal +1
10:38:53 <kmkale> +1
10:39:01 <druthb> sekjal++
10:39:08 <kf> sekjal +1 :)
10:39:31 <magnuse> sekjal++
10:39:49 <Brooke> okie dokie, Nicole isn't allowed to stop documenting things yet :)
10:40:00 <Brooke> moving on to Ian for QAM
10:40:09 <dpavlin_> +1
10:40:10 <kf> she put her name down herself on the wiki - so she should be ok with that :)
10:40:13 <kf> +1
10:40:16 <thd> +1
10:40:17 <oleonard> +1
10:40:18 <drojf1> +1
10:40:30 <marijana> +1
10:40:31 <slef> +1
10:40:31 <kmkale> +1
10:40:31 <druthb> +1
10:40:32 <rangi> +1
10:40:33 <magnuse> +1
10:40:36 <ColinC> +1
10:40:37 <eythian_home> +1
10:40:38 <jcamins> +1
10:40:43 <rangi> glutton for punishment :)
10:40:48 <paul_p> +1
10:41:16 <jwagner> I have no objection, but wanted to verify that Ian was really willing -- sekjal, you had said when you changed jobs that you didn't know if you'd have time to continue
10:41:32 <Brooke> he put his name up there :P
10:41:39 <sekjal> jwagner:  I've have volunteered, yes
10:41:51 <jwagner> OK, just trying to give you an out if you wanted it :-)
10:42:05 <sekjal> after two months on the job, I've seem to still be doing QA at a goodly rate
10:42:10 <sekjal> though, that's really up for everyone here to decide
10:42:13 <thd> There is no way out :)
10:42:16 * druthb makes a note that if Ian decides to take another term six months from now, we should add some flowery words to the title.  "Mighty King of Sanity" is a modest proposal.
10:42:33 * Brooke likes the cut of druthb's jib.
10:42:47 <dpavlin_> sekjal++
10:42:52 <kf> sekjal++
10:42:53 <sekjal> if at any time I stop doing a good job, fire me
10:42:54 <druthb> just you wait, Brooke; I'll change your tune shortly; you're up soon.
10:43:00 <Oak> sekjal++
10:43:22 <BobB> +1
10:43:39 <paul_p> about QA = I just hit save to improve the pre-commit hook & check more QA things ;-)
10:43:40 <Brooke> moving on to Assistant Quality Assurance Managers
10:43:55 <Brooke> Marcel de Rooy
10:43:56 <Brooke> and
10:44:02 <Brooke> Jonathan Druart
10:44:07 <kmkale> paul_p++
10:44:21 <paul_p> http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Tips_and_tricks => no detect ` in your patch
10:44:24 <kf> +1 +1
10:44:26 <oleonard> +1 +1
10:44:30 <magnuse> +1 +1
10:44:31 <paul_p> +1 and +1
10:44:32 <wahanui> 2
10:44:35 <druthb> +1 +1
10:44:36 <kf> lol
10:44:38 <thd> +1
10:44:40 <mtj> fyi: i just added my name in the hat for QA (assistant) too
10:44:42 <thd> +1
10:44:45 <dpavlin_> +2
10:44:45 <drojf1> +1 +1
10:44:50 <jcamins> +1
10:44:51 <rangi> +1 +1
10:44:52 <marijana> +1 +1 +1
10:44:52 <wahanui> 3
10:44:53 <kmkale> +3
10:45:02 <druthb> !    +1 for mtj, too.
10:45:06 * dpavlin_ ups! +3
10:45:17 <magnuse> +1 for mtj
10:45:18 <thd> +1, +1, +1
10:45:19 <mtj> ... (and updated the wiki page)
10:45:21 <BobB> +1 all 3
10:45:24 <ColinC> +1
10:45:25 <eythian_home> +1
10:45:26 <jcamins> +1 +1 +1
10:45:26 <wahanui> 3
10:45:28 * druthb thought mtj was crazy when she met him last fall.  Now she is certain of it.  <3, mtj.
10:45:30 <fredericd> +1
10:45:31 <paul_p> mtj great ! +1 for you then (the more QAA the best)
10:45:33 <sekjal> +1 +1, +1
10:45:37 <kf> +1 for mtj
10:46:03 <drojf1> mtj +1 too
10:46:32 <Brooke> right
10:46:38 <Brooke> everyone's in
10:46:57 <Brooke> Release Maintainers are Chris Cormack for 3.8
10:47:10 <magnuse> +1
10:47:11 <Brooke> and Jared Camins-Esakov for 3.6
10:47:18 <kf> +1
10:47:19 <druthb> +1, +1
10:47:20 <kf> +1
10:47:21 <Brooke> so +1 +1
10:47:22 <kmkale> +2
10:47:24 <magnuse> +1 +1
10:47:25 <dpavlin_> +2
10:47:32 <drojf1> +1 +1
10:47:33 <oleonard> +1 +1
10:47:38 <fredericd> +1
10:47:38 <marijana> +1 +1
10:47:39 <BobB> +1 * 2
10:47:45 <ColinC> +1
10:47:52 <eythian_home> +1
10:48:19 <sekjal> +2
10:48:20 <thd> +1 [+1, +1]
10:48:31 <slef> +1
10:49:03 <Brooke> that carries
10:49:10 <Brooke> moving on to Packaging Managers
10:49:16 <kf> getting a lot done here today
10:49:18 <kf> :)
10:49:22 <Brooke> we've Robin and Mason
10:49:29 <kf> +2
10:49:30 <Brooke> so +1 +1 for
10:49:33 <druthb> +1 +1
10:49:34 <slef> in partnership or competition? ;)
10:49:42 <druthb> Cage Match!
10:49:44 <magnuse> +2
10:49:53 <rangi> +2
10:49:54 <thd> +1 [+1, +1]
10:49:55 <dpavlin_> +2
10:49:55 <drojf1> +1 +1
10:49:56 <marijana> +1 +1
10:50:00 <jcamins> +1 +1
10:50:01 <ColinC> +1 +1
10:50:02 <slef> +1 +1
10:50:02 <Brooke> coopetition
10:50:02 <sekjal> +2
10:50:05 <kmkale> yah lets have some competition. This is boring ;)
10:50:06 <oleonard> +1 +1
10:50:15 <kmkale> +2 of course
10:50:18 <kmkale> :)
10:50:31 <dpavlin_> kmkale: it's about communitity (err, +1) not about code!
10:50:37 * eythian_home is building the 3.7 packages right now if it helps my cause any ;)
10:50:46 <kmkale> dpavlin_: I know. Just joking :)
10:50:49 <druthb> eythian++
10:50:49 <kf> eythian++ :)
10:50:54 <kf> helps your karma
10:51:02 <kmkale> eythian++
10:51:07 <magnuse> eythian++
10:51:23 <marijana> eythian++
10:51:30 <Brooke> right, that carries, too (shocker)
10:51:36 <Brooke> moving on to Bug Wranglers
10:51:52 <oleonard> +1 to all the bug wranglers!!
10:52:04 <Brooke> Magnus Enger, Katrin Fischer, Dobrica Pavlinušić
10:52:09 <druthb> +1, with a cheer.
10:52:14 * oleonard can't imagine voting against a bug wrangler
10:52:15 <marijana> +1 +1 +1
10:52:15 <wahanui> 3
10:52:18 <jcamins> +1 +1 +1
10:52:19 <wahanui> 3
10:52:24 <drojf1> +1 +1 +1
10:52:25 <wahanui> 3
10:52:27 <kf> +1 for magnus and dobrica :)
10:52:38 <sekjal> +3
10:52:38 <ColinC> +1 x 3
10:52:39 <eythian_home> +3 and more for anyone else who wants in :)
10:52:42 <magnuse> +1 for kf and dobrica
10:52:46 <BobB> +1 * 3
10:52:51 <thd> +1 {[+1, +1, +1]};
10:52:54 * kmkale would like be an assistant bug wrangler
10:52:55 <fredericd> +1 for whatever
10:53:11 <slef> +1 +1 +1
10:53:12 <wahanui> 3
10:53:13 <Brooke> oooooh
10:53:18 <Brooke> Kmkale's in there, too
10:53:22 <BobB> kmkale +1
10:53:23 <slef> wahanui: stoppit!
10:53:23 <wahanui> slef: what?
10:53:25 <magnuse> +1 for kmkale
10:53:32 <marijana> kmkale +1
10:53:39 <sekjal> +1
10:53:42 <thd> +1 {[+1, +1, +1, +1]};
10:53:45 <slef> wahanui: 1 / 0
10:53:45 <wahanui> slef: excuse me?
10:53:56 <drojf1> lol slef
10:54:03 <kmkale> slef: wahanui is way too good at math it seems
10:54:09 <paul_p> well, I don't think we need to vote for this role, anyone is welcomed as bug wrangler ;-)
10:54:15 <BobB> wahanui: you are excused this time
10:54:16 <wahanui> ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow....
10:54:27 <paul_p> (or i'm missing what "bug wrangler" mean ;-) )
10:54:38 <kf> +1 for kmkale
10:54:41 <thd> paul_p++
10:54:49 <magnuse> +1 for voting :-)
10:55:13 <Brooke> right
10:55:15 <Brooke> last vote
10:55:22 <Brooke> bus driver / court jester
10:55:30 <jcamins> +1
10:55:36 <BobB> brooke +1
10:55:42 <magnuse> sure anyone can do the bugwrangler job, but being voted into the "office" feels good :-)
10:55:43 <magnuse> makes it feel more serious
10:55:54 <magnuse> +1 for court jester :-)
10:56:07 <sekjal> Brooke:  you got "The Wheels on the Bus" stuck in my head before I even woke up this morning… but +1 anyway
10:56:07 <dpavlin_> +1
10:56:10 <mtj> brooke +1
10:56:13 <drojf1> bug wranglers deserve their "office" and a coffee machine!
10:56:16 <druthb> +1 for carving Brooke's name into this role in stone, including title change to "Mistress of Meetings."
10:56:19 <drojf1> brooke +1
10:56:21 <rangi> +1
10:56:24 <ColinC> +1
10:56:30 <thd> +1 for the jester who knows why the seven stars are not more than seven
10:56:40 <slef> +1
10:56:43 <kf> +1
10:56:54 <slef> wahanui: +1 +27364 +1
10:56:55 <wahanui> 27366
10:57:07 <Brooke> hooray, all the voting's out of our systems
10:57:14 <Brooke> moving on to KohaCon
10:57:21 * druthb votes early and often.
10:57:23 <kf> more happy news
10:57:25 <kf> Ilike this meeting
10:57:28 <Brooke> #topic KohaCon12
10:57:34 <slef> riiiight
10:57:39 <slef> so submit papers please
10:57:46 <slef> links on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/
10:57:57 <slef> thanks to those who have reviewed papers so far: kf, Brooke... erm...
10:58:00 <BobB> deadline?
10:58:01 <wahanui> hmmm... deadline is Aug 15th I think lotsa time
10:58:12 <slef> call for papers deadline 20 Apr
10:58:15 <rangi> april 20 BobB
10:58:16 <Brooke> wahanui forget deadline
10:58:16 <wahanui> Brooke: I forgot deadline
10:58:23 <slef> wahanui: I do that too.
10:58:23 <wahanui> slef: excuse me?
10:58:27 <BobB> lotsa time :)
10:58:36 <slef> The earlier the better!
10:58:41 <slef> please be kind to the reviewers!
10:58:50 <slef> (and the overtaxed scheduler...)
10:58:54 <dpavlin_> can we get some list of submitted papers so we don't overlap?
10:58:55 <BobB> Of course
10:59:08 <druthb> submitting papers early is good for the blood pressure of conference organizers.  Been there, Done That.
10:59:18 <slef> dpavlin_: once we've got a few accepted, we'll start to post titles
10:59:45 * dpavlin_ submited paper at hackfest, wonders about submiting for conf part (with bias towards no)
10:59:53 <paul_p> slef at BibLibre we are discussing of the paper we will submit, don't worry, we will submit some (maybe "a lot" ;-) )
10:59:54 <thd> It would be nice to have a conference not overlapping with "any" other conference also.
10:59:57 * slef rebiases dpavlin_
11:00:02 <paul_p> s/paper/papers/
11:00:17 <slef> The calls for registrations and sponsors will go out imminently
11:00:28 <kf> slef: will answer mails tonight
11:00:30 <slef> as soon as someone gets time, basically
11:00:53 <slef> and the first batch of invitation letters went out a few days ago but I've not yet found time to edit the web page to say that.
11:01:09 <slef> Any other things that people are interested in?
11:01:14 <slef> wahanui: kohacon12
11:01:14 <wahanui> hmmm... kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
11:01:15 <BobB> slef +1 that was really important.
11:01:32 <slef> #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/
11:01:35 <thd> How much recording equipment do you have?
11:01:37 <magnuse> slef: will there be streaming or video-after-the-fact?
11:02:17 <kf> I think mle confirmed there will be wifi?
11:02:18 <paul_p> slef how many rooms will we have ? one 150ppl large ?
11:02:19 <slef> thd: DV camera. Not sure what else. I think mle isn't here right now, so I don't know.
11:02:28 <slef> magnuse: we're still checking network capacity.
11:02:31 <slef> kf: I think so.
11:02:39 <magnuse> slef: cool
11:02:56 <thd> slef: Do you plan to record dev days also?
11:03:12 <slef> paul_p: yes, basically one room, at least for the conference. I think we might have a small side room too but my memory may be failing - mle is the best to ask about the venue.
11:03:28 <magnuse> any kind of video of talks during the hackfest would be super cool
11:03:39 <dpavlin_> slef: audio is very important! might camera have direct link to AV?
11:03:46 <slef> thd: yes, but video helpers will be needed to pull it off.
11:04:33 * thd has a conflicting unrecorded conference so recording is important.
11:04:35 <slef> dpavlin_: I think so. If not, we'll record AV audio directly and resynchronise them.
11:04:48 <dpavlin_> slef++
11:04:53 <magnuse> slef++
11:05:02 <kf> slef++
11:05:20 <thd> slef++ much recording
11:05:26 <kmkale> slef++
11:06:04 <slef> simplest will be if we can stream, because then it can be recorded and made available in one step, but I just don't know.
11:06:24 <slef> Any other question?  I think I've two things I'd like to ask for your feedback on
11:06:38 <slef> 1. is it OK to put sponsors logos on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ ?
11:06:41 * paul_p must head for lunch, will read logs after
11:07:06 <kf> I think if made clear it's sponsoring for the conference - ok for me
11:07:17 * oleonard tries to join paul_p for lunch, fails
11:07:29 <dpavlin_> slef: would http://www.bigbluebutton.org/ help with recording?
11:08:05 <slef> 2. we were considering giving sponsors extra perks at around $50 (standard) and $1200 (full monty) - are those the right price points?
11:08:10 <drojf1> while i am all against advertisements in general i would still be ok with sponsor's logos on the conference site
11:08:44 <kf> slef: the gap seems a bit wide to me
11:08:45 <BobB> I have a conflict of interest on this one.  :)
11:09:00 <rangi> we didnt really differentiate at kohacon10
11:09:07 <thd> slef: The right price points are the ones which meet the needs.
11:09:09 <slef> dpavlin_: I think it requires Adobe flash to send or view so I'm not sure. I think we have better options but the guy with bad eyesight isn't the best one to ask about this.
11:09:17 <rangi> everyone got their logo on the website, and that was it
11:09:22 <slef> BobB: so do we. We want to set prices people will pay.
11:09:38 <BobB> Slef do you have a budget yet?
11:09:58 <BobB> or a target for how much you want to collect?
11:10:02 <rangi> we also didnt have price points .. so i dont really have an opinion
11:10:08 <magnuse> slef: what would the full monty be?
11:10:15 <thd> slef: It seems to work in gnash but that does not qualify it.
11:10:45 <slef> BobB: I think we need at least $4000, but the budget has lots of variables even now.
11:10:59 <BobB> Understood.  Thx.
11:11:00 <slef> BobB: basically more sponsors = better conference.
11:11:08 <dpavlin_> thd: recordings are html5 FWIW but it does require flash [stops bbb chatter from now]
11:11:24 <slef> dpavlin_: things have improved since I last looked.
11:11:56 <BobB> If you make the entry point $50 you are more likely to raise $400 than $4,000
11:12:17 <rangi> i dunno
11:12:24 <rangi> our entry point was $1
11:12:46 <kf> rangi: was it diddicult to get all expenses covered?
11:12:46 <slef> magnuse: full monty = website, programme, things in the room, things in the pack, logo up big, something else I forgot
11:12:55 <rangi> i think the companies involved have more ethics than that
11:13:04 <thd> slef: both rangi and BobB are correct :)
11:13:09 <BobB> OK, well just so we all know what the target is.
11:13:13 <rangi> and know what a reasonable amount is
11:13:36 <BobB> But (conflict aside) I'm not in favour of favours and don't expect any
11:13:39 <thd> slef: Framing by expectation is important but turning away anything offered is bad.
11:13:40 <magnuse> i don't think slef said anything about a minimum amount?
11:13:50 <kmkale> we had VPM to fall back on for everything
11:13:55 <rangi> kf: nope
11:14:10 <kf> so perhaps we should keep it more open?
11:14:17 <rangi> i agree with BobB
11:14:26 <kf> don't have different levels?
11:14:27 <slef> No, we'll accept anything as sponsorship. Just more perks at those price points. We're also going to have a class of sponsors for people who give us stuff we need.
11:14:52 <kf> slef: what is a class of sponsors?
11:15:04 <slef> kf: standard, full monty...
11:15:09 <magnuse> bronze silver gold kind of thing
11:15:11 <slef> kf: basically a package of things.
11:15:16 <kf> ah
11:15:18 <slef> kf: magnuse has it right
11:16:22 * magnuse will sponsor with the same amount as for kohacon10 and 11, and does not expect anything more than being listed somewhere
11:16:24 <slef> I think so far we have two sponsors in that class. We're trying to keep that one as small as we can, so we'd like to get the call for sponsors out ASAP
11:16:54 <kf> hm
11:17:07 <Brooke> are we all talked out on this?
11:17:11 <kf> we have some bigger companies and some smaller - which will give the bigger ones bigger representation I think
11:17:18 <rangi> yeah im not mad keen on the perk thing
11:17:38 <rangi> but maybe thats just me
11:17:39 <slef> so the feedback I'm taking back is that the gap is too wide?
11:17:42 <kf> I am not totally sure it fits our structure
11:17:58 <thd> Brooke: We will be talked out when KohaCon is fully funded ;)
11:18:11 <slef> I really expect to have only 3 going for the full monty
11:18:36 <Brooke> #topic Old Business
11:18:46 <Brooke> Don't think there are actions from last meeting
11:18:50 <Brooke> lemme know if I'm wrong
11:19:15 <rangi> you could just do the #topic thing and not change it twice if you want to save keystrokes
11:19:23 <thd> There is an issue from last meeting
11:20:04 <thd> There had been mention of KohaCon 2012 specific IRC meetings.
11:20:18 <slef> oh yeah
11:20:25 <slef> didn't mle suggest a date+time?
11:20:26 <thd> Are there any?
11:20:43 * oleonard has to take kids to school
11:20:44 <oleonard> Bye all
11:20:47 <oleonard> bbl
11:21:06 <thd> slef: mle suggested 19.00 UTC on Wednesdays.
11:21:26 <thd> if I recall correctly
11:21:31 <slef> thd: that's fine with me.  How about others?
11:21:32 <kf> slef: is there a need to start meeting? or waiting for the deadline?
11:22:40 <slef> kf: you mean not meet until after 20 April?
11:22:53 <kf> I am not sure - that's why I am asking
11:22:55 <kf> :)
11:23:18 <kf> so first meeting today, or on 11th, 18th?
11:23:20 <slef> thd: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.html says 18.00 Wednesdays... could mean 17 or 18 UTC.
11:23:32 <thd> slef: meetings with kmkale were sparsely attended as a point of information.
11:23:44 <slef> thd: I remember.
11:24:10 <slef> kf: let's say 11th, to give people enough notice?  Also to see if we can start scheduling papers a bit by then.
11:24:21 <kf> ok :)
11:24:22 <Brooke> k that's resolved then
11:24:36 <Brooke> #info KohaCon12 meeting 11 April 18.00 UTC
11:24:49 <Brooke> #topic Miscellaneous
11:24:58 <thd> s/19.00 UTC/18.00 UTC/
11:25:07 <Brooke> I think dpavlin's plack stuff might be helpful here
11:25:34 <BobB> Brooke: LOL
11:26:14 <dpavlin_> I have demo of new development tools at http://blog.rot13.org/koha/koha-intranet-cgi-vs-plack.ogv (write-up pending for koha-dev) it's on https://github.com/dpavlin/Koha for people who want to try it *right now*
11:26:37 <dpavlin_> AARGH! Wrong video: http://blog.rot13.org/koha/koha-plack-debug.ogv
11:28:09 <kf> dpavlin_++ for making videos!
11:28:10 <slef> dpavlin_: good work.  (I'll persuade you to gitorious one day)
11:28:31 <dpavlin_> slef: I can push it to gitourious also, no problem :-)
11:28:47 <druthb> dpavlin++
11:28:53 <dpavlin_> github is mostly for visibility, I still prefer my own git server ;-)
11:29:19 <Brooke> #topic Meeting Time
11:29:22 <mtj> for the win, i have setup a realtime repo for Koha, on github too , https://github.com/Koha-Community
11:29:35 <mtj> https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/commits/master
11:29:38 <Brooke> we're due for a good olde fashioned 0200 UTC
11:29:44 <dpavlin_> mtj++
11:30:00 <mtj> slef:  i plan to sort a gitorious Koha repo too... :)
11:30:13 <magnuse> mtj++
11:30:21 <slef> mtj: why not use the one that's there?
11:30:22 <Brooke> so 2 May (Wednesday) 02.00 UTC
11:30:39 <jcamins> +1
11:30:45 <slef> mtj: I update it once in a blue moon. Help welcome ;)
11:31:04 <magnuse> 0 (will be sleeping)
11:31:16 <rangi> +1
11:31:17 <kf> sleeping too
11:31:18 <mtj> slef:  its *just* an alternative... no offensive intended ;)
11:31:19 <druthb> +1
11:31:38 <drojf1> sleeping then or in the day. boss won't allow that, so no meeting for me
11:31:51 <sekjal> +1
11:32:09 <mtj> slef:  oops sorry, you meant why not use *your* existing gitorious repo?
11:32:34 <mtj> slef: ok, a good suggestion from you
11:32:37 <Brooke> #info 2 May 02.00 UTC is the time of the next meeting
11:32:41 <Brooke> #endmeeting