18:01:25 <cait> #startmeeting 18:01:25 <huginn> Meeting started Wed May 2 18:01:25 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:25 <huginn> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:26 <wahanui> if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 18:01:32 <cait> #topic Introductions 18:01:33 <wahanui> #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:01:44 <cait> please introduce youself as the bot did with #info 18:01:47 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:01:47 <slef> #info MJ Ray, software.coop 18:01:50 <jcamins> #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services 18:02:02 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 18:02:13 <slef> (this is a meeting about KohaCon12... in case anyone is watching who doesn't know) 18:03:27 <cait> #topic Roadmap to KohaCon 18:03:52 <cait> quick update from slef? 18:04:08 <cait> I think Brooke said at the meeting yesterday that we need more sponsoring? 18:04:11 <slef> ok well apologies from me for not having the usual report compiled, or the schedule done yet. 18:04:22 <slef> There was some stuff in the agenda at 18:04:24 <slef> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_2_May_2012 18:04:39 <slef> # KohaCon12 Schedule basically full but needs sorting 18:04:44 <slef> # Over 40 registrations, so about 30% of capacity. Expecting a flurry of fairly local ones when schedule announced. 18:04:49 <slef> # About £1100 short on sponsorship? Please beg the firms not yet listed on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ to help make the conference better. Otherwise, it will go ahead but it might be slightly bare-bones. 18:05:07 <cait> perhaps a mail to the list? 18:05:08 <slef> the comments from that meeting are at 18:05:11 <slef> #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-02-02.00.log.html#l-46 18:05:20 <slef> cait: to find more sponsors? 18:05:29 <cait> yes 18:05:35 <cait> that more sponsorships are needed 18:05:52 <cait> not a lot of people at the meeting yesterday 18:06:01 <slef> that would be good... my next priority is to email potential sponsors directly, based on a list S made 18:06:26 <slef> so if someone else could repeat/boost the call for sponsors, that would be a big help 18:06:32 <slef> otherwise I'll get to it after that 18:06:53 <slef> there's also a suggestion to put a donate button on the front page 18:07:16 <slef> do people like that? 18:07:34 <jcamins> +1 18:07:41 <thd> +1 18:07:56 <cait> +1 18:08:01 <cait> if it doesn't take too much time 18:08:30 <cait> so basically we need more money, something else? 18:08:44 <slef> I think it's fairly simple to do. Who here can edit the website? 18:08:49 <cait> I think only around 30 days now! :) 18:08:49 <jcamins> Even just adding a link that says "Sponsor KohaCon12" on the right might be a good idea. 18:09:21 <cait> I think wizzyrea 18:09:35 <cait> not sure how to edit the right navigaton 18:10:02 <slef> I can do that. 18:10:04 <cait> I can try to do it myself 18:10:09 <cait> ah 18:10:14 <slef> I think it's Links 18:10:21 <cait> let me try and I will find you if I don't manage? 18:10:26 <slef> ok, thanks 18:10:31 <thd> Nothing should stop anyone from donating something during or after the event, however, they could not then have the same sponsorship credit as others. 18:10:38 <cait> #action cait: put a donate link on the front page 18:10:59 <cait> I think after might be a bit late for this kohacon 18:11:00 <slef> thd: yes, deadlines will soon impinge. 18:11:01 <cait> can only be used for next 18:11:14 <slef> cait: depends how late we pay the suppliers, but that's a bit nasty. 18:11:28 <cait> and you would have to know that the money will get in 18:11:37 <cait> I think we should really sort it out before the event :) 18:11:37 <slef> yeah 18:11:42 <cait> ok 18:11:47 <cait> slef, will you send out a reminder to the list then? 18:11:52 <slef> ok 18:12:01 <slef> #action slef to send reminder to the list about sponsorship 18:12:02 <cait> #action slef: sends a reminder about sponsorship to the mailing list 18:12:06 <slef> dup! 18:12:14 <cait> :) 18:12:17 <cait> you type faster 18:12:17 <cait> ok 18:12:19 <cait> next topic? 18:12:27 <cait> #topic Conference Schedule 18:13:03 <slef> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule 18:13:10 <slef> took me three goes to paste that :-/ 18:13:46 <slef> no action since last week, due to illness and other unexpected events, so next action is to summarise last meeting's reviews, plus the two late paper reviews that Brooke has done 18:14:03 <slef> then contact the GDC presenters to encourage merges 18:14:11 <slef> and schedule it 18:14:32 <cait> ok 18:14:33 <slef> Can anyone help? 18:14:34 <cait> so no program this week? 18:14:49 <slef> not today 18:15:10 <cait> I think we should try to get that sorted soon - so people waiting on the program start to register 18:15:26 <cait> whatkind of help do you need? 18:15:29 <thd> cait++ 18:16:15 <cait> slef: would a spreadsheet with a summary of our last meeting help? 18:16:40 <thd> There have certainly been conferences for which I had not registered until I the presentations had been posted. 18:16:49 <slef> cait: yes. scrawling it into http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Papers would help 18:16:54 <cait> yes, I think we need to hurry up a bit 18:17:05 <cait> hm not sure how to compress the information so it can go there 18:17:51 <slef> mostly we agreed, so can summarise hi, medium or low and the audience as dev, lib or mix 18:18:00 <cait> perhaps we should also put the abstracts online for the talks that do not require change? 18:18:19 <slef> yes, indeed. I suggest on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ 18:18:21 <cait> slef: so medium medium high would be medium? 18:18:39 <cait> slef: i thought perhaps in the wiki and link from the schedule table? 18:19:10 <slef> cait: that's what I was going to do, with me as a tie-break vote if needed, but I'm happy for it to be you 18:19:33 <slef> cait: wiki is temporary. Needs moving to the more public place ASAP 18:19:48 <cait> hm ok 18:19:49 <slef> cait: but could put it in the wiki and I'll copy it later 18:19:53 <slef> up to you 18:20:07 <cait> will still gather as many of the abstracts as I can find there first - so you can fill blanks 18:20:10 <slef> who does wins 18:20:24 <slef> I can probably paste all the abstracts fairly quickly 18:20:31 <cait> will probably be friday - I am off work on friday, so have some time to srot this out 18:20:32 <slef> it's summarising the reviews that is difficult 18:20:35 <thd> I think that posting even a potential list of papers would help obtain additional registrations and possibly more sponsorship, even in the absence of confirmation and detailed schedule. 18:21:37 <slef> cait: OK if I paste abstracts before that? I think only the GDC five required significant changes 18:21:44 <slef> required/we would request 18:21:47 <cait> totally ok 18:22:06 <slef> #agreed slef to post full abstracts to wiki unless changes were requested 18:22:19 <slef> #agreed cait to summarise reviews, probably Friday 18:22:47 <cait> #topic Hackfest Schedule 18:22:54 <cait> I have posted 2 ideas on the wiki page 18:23:05 <cait> I am a bit stuck on it 18:23:18 <slef> well 18:23:27 <cait> we have 2 long presentations / workshops 18:23:28 <slef> I think we have five papers, plus the bugsquash idea 18:23:31 <cait> where not all might be interested in 18:23:39 <slef> and there are six half-days 18:23:44 <cait> especially the debian packaging is probably more a hands on training 18:24:01 <cait> we can spread it equally - but that will mean people don#t get to work much on topics that are on the last day 18:24:13 <cait> or we can try to put it into the first days and then start working on things we learned 18:24:18 <cait> not sure what is better 18:24:27 <cait> and how to spread it out between mornings and afternoons 18:24:44 <slef> me neither 18:24:53 <cait> I hoped for some input :) 18:24:54 <jcamins> I'd suggest no long workshops after lunch. 18:25:00 <cait> yeah 18:25:07 <cait> I was hoping for people to hack in the afternoons mostly 18:25:19 <jcamins> So I'd vote for option 2. 18:25:22 <cait> digesting what they heard in the mornings and leaving room for some spontanous things 18:25:28 <slef> ok 18:25:37 <jcamins> And I think the order makes sense, too. 18:25:48 <cait> and has someone a better idea about the Groups report? (term I mean?) 18:25:50 <slef> I think it's important to kick the bugsquash off early 18:25:57 <slef> cait: feedback? 18:25:58 <cait> the idea was that people talk about what they have worked on during the day 18:26:01 <cait> or ideas that came up 18:26:10 <jcamins> The most people will be interested in TT, followed by Plack, with SIP being interesting to the smallest number of people. 18:26:22 <slef> jcamins: yes, I think TT should be early. 18:26:27 <cait> we could start squashing bugs on monday afternoon 18:26:32 <cait> keeping some kind of score during the days 18:26:34 <jcamins> cait++ 18:26:45 <cait> jcamins: that was my thinking, hope that's ok with you all too 18:26:52 <cait> i think sip is smallest group 18:27:02 <cait> and put template toolkit before plack, because it's a bit less technical 18:27:36 <slef> ok... next question: do you want both the package workshops in the same day? 18:28:01 <slef> I can see arguments for and against it 18:28:24 <jcamins> slef: the problem I see with that is that you end up having 4 straight hours on packaging, two of those immediately after lunch, which means everyone will fall asleep. 18:29:16 <slef> Aye. The benefit is that you only lose one day to package work and could have two days spent on core hacking. 18:29:30 <cait> slef: I think both on same day is a bit much 18:29:35 <cait> so I prefer the second schedule a bit 18:29:43 <cait> we could move the sip server talk into the afternoon 18:29:48 <cait> which would make friday free to play 18:30:03 <jcamins> cait: yeah, that would make sense. 18:30:03 <thd> I like the idea of a progressive degree of accessibility starting with template toolkit. 18:30:17 <slef> jcamins: I think we have to trust people not to gorge so much at lunch that they fall asleep. 18:30:30 <cait> slef: dangerous :) 18:30:41 <jcamins> slef: well, there's trusting people, then there's making it that much easier for them to be trustworthy. ;) 18:31:04 <slef> jcamins: and we have to trust cait to bring so much chocolate and the co-ops to bring so much coffee, everyone will be running laps around the walls. 18:31:09 <jcamins> lol 18:31:18 <cait> please refresh page 18:31:22 <cait> I made some changes to number 2 18:31:31 <oleonard> slef: it worked for the marseille hackfest 18:31:36 <cait> slef: who said I will bring chocolate? :) 18:31:41 <thd> which page? 18:31:43 <jcamins> cait: I like option two. 18:31:45 <cait> everyone has to bring chocolate! :) 18:31:52 <slef> thd: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule I think 18:31:53 <jcamins> As you have it now. 18:32:00 <jcamins> That makes a lot of sense. 18:32:03 <cait> slef: what do you think? 18:32:19 <slef> cait: looks good to me. 18:32:22 <cait> and please - another word for groups report? or is that ok, reads wrong :) 18:32:27 <slef> cait: feedback? 18:32:50 <cait> ah 18:32:56 <cait> feedback is good 18:33:01 <cait> I will put a short explanation above 18:33:26 <slef> I have seen it called "feedback to plenary" but plenary is not really a common English word I think. 18:33:39 <cait> hm and it's long :) 18:33:42 <slef> as in I have been in plenary sessions that were split into groups ;) 18:33:52 <cait> "Feedback" ? :) 18:34:10 <slef> cait: bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeee 18:34:15 * slef screeches at cait 18:34:16 <cait> oh 18:34:19 <cait> what have I done? 18:34:23 * cait hides behind jcamins 18:34:33 <slef> sorry... thought you wanted some feedback 18:34:41 <cait> rofl 18:34:50 <slef> heh that'll be a cool way to stop people talking when it's time for the feedback session 18:34:53 <cait> you have the hat tonight ;) 18:35:14 <cait> ok 18:35:14 <slef> sorry 18:35:17 <cait> latest version in wiki 18:35:28 <cait> if someone hates it - we can still reschedule 18:35:45 <jcamins> Looks good to me. 18:36:06 <slef> hmm 18:36:26 <thd> I think that we should have some group reports at the end of each day for which there are divided tracks. 18:36:33 <slef> no free hack time in first two mornings if you like all talks 18:36:49 <jcamins> thd: I think "Feedback" covers that well enough. 18:37:16 <cait> I think we will have not all people attending to the packaging 18:37:31 <slef> yeah I guess not 18:37:34 <cait> so the short talks first in the morning 18:37:44 <cait> and people can decide to work on that or work on something else 18:37:47 <slef> ok 18:37:56 <cait> not sure it will work - we will see then and there 18:38:01 <thd> Have we suggested 'feedback' for the end of each day? 18:38:14 <slef> yeah true we can play if needed, but this is a good working plan 18:38:19 <cait> thd: check the schedule - there is one block at 4 everyday 18:38:20 <jcamins> thd: yes, there's a schedule proposed on the wiki. 18:38:27 <cait> perhaps we could also have on ein the morning for friday? 18:38:38 <slef> cait: friday? 18:38:39 <cait> #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Other_ideas 18:38:39 <wahanui> friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday 18:38:49 <cait> oh monday 18:38:50 <cait> sory 18:38:59 <slef> np 18:39:06 <slef> all work and no play makes cait a dull boy 18:39:23 * thd had glanced so quickly at the schedule table that rows and columns had been inverted in his mind. 18:39:58 <cait> boy? 18:39:59 <slef> cait: hey, I didn't make the saying up. 18:40:39 <slef> speaking of mind inversions, can we move on to the next topic before thd makes another entry in the bizarre statement contest? ;-) 18:41:04 <cait> #Topic Next meeting 18:41:13 <slef> Next Wednesday, same time? 18:41:16 <cait> yep 18:41:19 <cait> +1 18:41:26 <slef> #agreed Next Wednesday, same time 18:41:45 <cait> #endmeeting