15:00:12 #startmeeting 15:00:12 Meeting started Wed Aug 22 15:00:12 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:13 if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 15:00:30 #info your introductions so they go in whatever minutes are produced :) 15:00:33 We have our KohaCon planning this morning 15:00:56 #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 15:01:06 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 15:01:09 Nancy Keener Washoe county Library System 15:01:12 #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Eastern England (kohacon12 hosts) 15:01:13 #info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society Library, Orlando, Florida. 15:01:29 NancyK: if you use #info it will show up in the meeting logs - it's a little tool to create minutes for us 15:01:30 #Margo Duncan, UT Tyler Library, Texas 15:01:48 ack, 10am here, not quite typing right 15:02:00 #info Margo Duncan UT Tyler Library, Texas 15:02:06 John Crockett, Washoe County Library System, Reno, Nevada 15:03:05 if there's an agenda for this someplace, Nancy, feel free to #link to it 15:03:34 How do I use #info? 15:03:46 Oh #info i see 15:03:48 you just start the line with it #info something something 15:03:51 NancyK: just type it at the start of the line that you want to appear in the minutes 15:03:52 #info Mirko Tietgen, Koha hobbyist, lurking 15:03:54 kf: snap 15:04:03 good bye all ! 15:04:41 #info Lori Ayre, The Galecia Group is here for the meeting! 15:04:55 #info No agenda, I just want to get a consensus on number of days for the conference to get us started 15:05:02 :) 15:05:29 #topic How Many Days Do We Want Conference 15:05:47 I thought 3 days were pretty nice in Edinburgh 15:06:11 #info It was suggested we do 3 days conference, 1 day for a trip, and 3 days hackfest. 15:06:12 I thought Edinburgh was 3-1-3? 15:06:15 personally I think the hackfest was over too soon... but probably not really a problem of days :) 15:06:30 Bruce: 3 days conf - 1 day break - 3 days hackfest 15:06:50 conference with presentations, more official 15:07:01 #info Anyone have a different idea? 15:07:02 hackfest more developer oriented, some technical presentations, lots of hacking and testing 15:07:04 3-1-3 sounds like a good approach, especially if there's room for add-ons at either end. 15:07:16 kf: oh sure, we could just work like that forever, but room hire budget and customers will get empty and upset - or the other way round! 15:07:25 on the day between we went to see the city... it was bad weather, but we can't blame slef for that :) 15:07:34 i do 15:07:44 blame slef? 15:07:55 sure :P 15:08:04 there were some activities suggested for the day in between, like going fishing, but that didn't work out sadly 15:08:10 we can blame slef for anything at all. I do it all the time. ;) 15:08:13 not enough participants 15:08:35 Perhaps we can try to organize smaller events for the break day. 15:08:45 #info I plan on getting bids from local hotels, so I probably need a definite number of days. 15:09:10 did anyone disagree with 3-1-3 or have another approach? 15:09:12 One thing that may have a major impact on hotel cost is whether we span a weekend or not. 15:09:27 I think people didn't mind to stay for the hackfest on the weekend 15:09:28 hard to have no weekend with 3-1-3 15:09:29 not sure how that is in US 15:09:33 That higher weekend cost may itself argue against a 7-day span. 15:09:34 hey, slef was up the volcano, in a gale, in the clouds... I wanted good weather too! 15:09:37 maybe have the main conf in the week? 15:09:58 i like the idea of main conf during the week 15:10:05 #info I am planning on having the hotel of our choice whip something up. We can also put up a lot of links for people to explore on their own 15:10:08 But weekend costs differ by city, and I don't know Reno. 15:10:26 I'd advise a Tuesday or Wednesday start since it's usually not terrible on travel costs 15:10:36 lots of people will only want to attend the main part I guess 15:10:36 Reno is always running specials at casinos. 15:10:45 7-day stays also trigger special rates in some cities... I leave it to local knowledge 15:10:56 Specials yes, but not often 7-night specials. 15:10:58 while people travelling from far away and people intersted in developing might stay for the hackfest 15:11:10 Remember that LAke Tahoe is just minutes away so staying the weekewnd wou.,d be nice for many of you who can 15:11:11 I wouldn't plan for a shorter thing I think 15:11:38 #info What if weh start on a Wednesday -Fri for the conference, and the day off on a Saturday, and then hackfest Sun thru Tuesday? 15:11:43 it's entirely possible to split locations so that hackfest is near to conference but not in the same building in case folks never went to conference 15:11:58 NancyK: I think that could work 15:12:12 We may be able to find a university space with good connectivity for the hackfest. 15:12:21 Bruce: sounds nice :) 15:12:25 sounds good nancy and bruce 15:12:26 NancyK: you know your town best and have to live with any constraints, so your call IMO, but sounds OK to me. 15:12:34 I think internet, tables, chairs... not much more needed :) 15:12:36 We have goods connectivity at LIbraries with public wireless 15:12:41 Saturday may not be the best day for the day off--more crowded at many venues. 15:12:58 maybe friday? 15:13:10 I agree with Bruce. Too busy on Saturday to make that your one day off. 15:13:11 slef: was it friday in edinburgh? 15:13:16 Library wireless is unlikely to be able to handle the hammering the network would get from a major hackfest. 15:13:17 kf: yes. 15:13:19 #info UNR is just up the street a few blocks from the main downtown hotels. We also have a Junior college, my sister works there.;) 15:13:20 Bruce are you from around Reno / Lake Tahoe? 15:13:28 kf: Thursday in Wellington IIRC 15:13:49 Jr. colleges are often easier to work with on such matters, but talk to the head librarians at both for an in. 15:13:56 kf: It would have been Thursday in edinburgh but it was a holiday week. 15:14:11 I am presently from Orlando, but have spent a lot of time in Portola. 15:14:24 * slef looks up Portola 15:14:30 I've also run conventions all over the US & Canada. 15:14:41 Portola, a 1998 album by Rose Melberg 15:14:45 Portola's just over the hill in California, an easy drive from Reno. 15:14:47 #info About how many can we expect for hackfest? 15:14:48 Besides, gambling, there's lots of wonderful trails for hiking and mountain biking. Much nicer when fewer people around. 15:14:55 hm 15:15:05 slef? 15:15:05 i guess slef is probably busy so please use http://www.software.coop/contact/ if you need him for work 15:15:18 I was planning on organizing a trip to the Portola Railway Museum. Anybody want to drive a locomotive? 15:15:35 some of us are most definitely not big gambling fans ;) 15:15:52 NancyK: I'd guess 65-70% of conference, or 55 people, depending on conference numbers. 15:16:02 I'll bet some are....:) 15:16:05 * slef rethinks 15:16:08 #info We can also go to Virginia City (wild west) 15:16:24 4 tables of 8, plus some floaters... maybe more like 40-50 15:16:32 POrtaola is a very easy drive about 45 minutes 15:16:57 that's my memory of kohacon12... there might be better notes somewhere but I'm mid-relocation 15:17:00 I think in US maybe more supported libraries attending the main conf 15:17:02 so backtracking a bit, can we get a proper vote on 3-1-3? +1? 15:17:06 so the % might be a big off 15:17:09 a bit off 15:17:22 +1 15:17:34 Yes, "+1?" 15:17:35 Bruce: not bothered about driving, but happy to visit + ride on old trains. LBA's mountain-biking idea would also be good. 15:17:38 +1 for an extra day off? 15:17:42 +1 to 3-1-3 15:17:43 -3 15:17:52 wahanui: you stay out of this! 15:17:52 slef: what? 15:18:02 +1 for 3-1-3 15:18:09 brooke, can you remind us how to vote, for those that don't hang out here 15:18:16 :) if our hosts are ok with it 15:18:17 +1 is a vote for 15:18:22 +1 (3-1-3) 15:18:27 +1 for 3-1-3 15:18:36 +1 (3-1-3) 15:18:43 wahanui: apache voting? 15:18:43 slef: i haven't a clue 15:18:46 wahanui: voting? 15:18:46 i think voting is broken https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla_l10n/page.cgi?id=release-notes.html#v40_feat_vot_ext 15:18:56 But I'm willing to reconsider my vote once we get pricing back from the hotels. 15:19:10 makes sense 15:19:11 #agreed 3 Day Conference, 1 Day off, 3 Day Hackfest 15:19:14 apache voting is described at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html if you've not seen it before (many haven't) 15:19:37 I think everyone is willing to do so if there's a wide gap 15:19:40 #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 15:19:57 #topic Roadtrip Locations 15:20:03 oh sure... practicalities can override everything, as kohacon12 showed ;) 15:20:38 One feature of Reno hotels I learned last time I booked a conference there -- the price of rooms facing the RR tracks is markedly lower than the price of rooms facing away. 15:20:53 Check that any bids specify the side of the hotel for the rooms. 15:21:03 You go Bruce 15:21:16 while we're checking bids, ensure that whatever the hotel bids is less than hotels.com and expedia, plox 15:21:20 THe rail runs under the city now 15:21:25 I was booking a railroad conference, so we *wanted* the noisy rooms by the tracks; us, maybe not. 15:21:34 hahahaha 15:21:43 #info the train goes underground on Virginia Street 15:21:44 Okay, been a few years. 15:21:50 NancyK: wifi would be nice for the conf - not sure if that can be included in a deal 15:21:53 noisy...maybe not. 15:22:02 and not sure how it works in the US in hotels 15:22:10 kf: most american hotels have free wifi 15:22:15 even the crappy ones like Red Roof 15:22:18 I think many of us will require Internet access in our rooms. I'm a solo librarian, and have to stay in touch. 15:22:42 Brooke: like to tell Marriott that? :-/ 15:22:49 #info We are going to insist on wifi, and whatever else we can get. theyare looking for business. 15:22:50 $14.95/day :-/ 15:23:19 I vote we avoid Marriotts...for numerous reasons. 15:23:28 #info maybe not quite that good 15:23:36 Don't look just at raw room cost, or even room+wifi. You also need to consider the cost of meeting space. Often, with enough room nights, the space can be free. 15:23:49 meh, toss all of the venues into a cage and let em duke it out. It is Vegas Jr. 15:24:13 let them bid... Marriotts and Hyatts have problems IMO, though. 15:24:14 #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions 15:24:22 Grand Sierra Resort is always willing to deal 15:24:25 #info We might have a library branch with good wireless for hackfest 15:24:33 NancyK++ :) 15:24:48 Note: Good wireless <> big Internet pipeline. 15:24:49 we like visiting Libraries. 15:24:56 Also we have Harrahs in the middle of downtown among others 15:24:56 libraries good. 15:25:07 * Brooke is going back to eNZed for the Te Takere opening. :) 15:25:09 casino libraries? 15:25:18 * talljoy gets her nerd on 15:25:48 casinos and libraries...cats and dogs 15:25:58 #info we may end up as casino libraries if we keep losing budget. 15:26:11 It may be prudent for us to bring our own server to the Hackfest. Low latency, and low impact on our host's Internet service. 15:26:18 #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions 15:26:31 Hello. :-) 15:26:39 howdy 15:26:40 hola, Brooke 15:26:42 our public library pipe is 75 down and 10 up 15:27:30 Is the 3.8.4 debian package patch out yet? 15:27:43 I seem to be having issues finding it at the link provided. 15:27:45 squirrel 15:27:52 hey JoeLib001 there is a meeting going on atm 15:27:58 you may want to come back in a bit 15:28:00 Oh, sorry. :-) 15:28:17 it's no problem mate 15:28:37 okay, so the basic skeleton is sorted 15:28:40 #info So did we vote for 3-1-3? 15:28:45 and we had a small roadtrip discussion 15:28:51 JoeLib001: it was only released yesterday - I think eythian will do it as soon as he can (packages) 15:28:52 yep, that's why I #agreed it 15:29:31 #info Any other discussion for now on Koha con 13? 15:29:47 I assume program discussions will be taken up later? 15:29:57 #info Yes 15:30:20 we can't wait for next kohacon :) 15:30:27 What are the range of dates we'll consider? The whole month of October, with no overlap? 15:30:28 it's always too long between seeing all the koha people 15:30:37 kf++ 15:30:39 kohacon++ 15:30:44 I think i can go to this one!! 15:31:01 to work then on the hotel proposals. I am using the first week in Oct. 15:31:34 Offering more weeks will give us more flexibility, especially given the short notice (for convention space). 15:31:49 ok 15:31:57 anyone can help with getting Plesk to find the installed Koha application, please 15:32:00 I suggest we let them bid on all four weeks in October, and see what we get. 15:32:17 will do 15:32:17 good idea bruce 15:32:23 it's more than a year of notice Bruce 15:32:34 Yes. Most conventions book five years out. 15:32:41 * druthb makes a note to pack her poking stick^W^Wcane, since libsysguy will be at KohaCon13. 15:32:56 * talljoy will bring the trout 15:33:12 old lady cane druthb :p 15:33:17 shouldn't you be nicer to your youngest coworker? 15:33:34 just trying to train him up right! ;-) 15:33:37 * Bruce supposes he should bring a hankie to put on his head. 15:33:38 * druthb cackles, and yells "get off my lawn!" 15:33:51 druthb: http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2012-08-21/ 15:33:56 NancyK: now they got all distracted :) 15:34:00 maybe end the meeting? 15:34:15 self++ 15:34:20 yes, how do I do that? 15:34:29 it sounds that I need a vhosts.conf file but what should be written in there, 15:34:33 say it and Brooke will do it - or type #endmeeting I think 15:34:35 we all done? How about setting a time and date for the next meeting? 15:35:19 Or should we just let Nancy call one once she hears back from some hotels? 15:35:25 sounds good 15:35:30 either way 15:35:32 either way is workable though imho 15:35:41 shut up, wahanui. 15:35:41 thanks wahanui 15:35:41 druthb: i'm not following you... 15:35:42 I liike Bruce's suggestion 15:36:06 * druthb gets out her sharpened pool cue, and goes after wahanui. 15:36:19 #end meeting 15:36:23 #endmeeting