10:06:34 #startmeeting Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13 10:06:34 Meeting started Wed Jul 10 10:06:34 2013 UTC. The chair is wizzyrea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:06:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 10:06:34 The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting_10_7_13' 10:06:46 wizzyrea: thx :) 10:06:47 #topic introductions 10:06:47 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:06:55 gogo 10:06:58 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 10:07:10 #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 10:07:15 #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 10:07:19 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 10:07:20 #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin 10:07:25 #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT 10:07:29 #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia 10:07:30 #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 10:07:34 #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT 10:07:49 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City (asleep) 10:08:04 lots of catalyst tonight :) 10:08:09 Alright, welcome everybody to the July edition of the Koha IRC community meeting 10:08:12 we'll start with 10:08:19 #topic Announcements 10:08:23 anybody got any? 10:09:07 If anyone hasn't heard, I'm working on a new theme for the OPAC 10:09:18 we are running a copy of oleonard's responsive bootstrap opac at responsive.mykoha.co.nz 10:09:23 awesome 10:09:39 wizzyrea: can we send that to the maling list maybe? 10:09:55 wizzyrea: culd get more libraries involved in testing 10:09:56 not really sure about that kf 10:09:57 It's still a work-in-progress, but I'm interested in getting feedback 10:10:04 oleonard: Is that also fully resizeable with no commitment to particular screen size? 10:10:18 thd: you should check it 10:10:19 thd: Responsive, yes 10:10:20 ;) 10:10:25 hi all 10:10:26 #info Mason James, NZ 10:10:55 #action Liz will check about sending the responsive demo to the mailing list 10:11:04 other announcements? 10:11:19 Alrighty then, on to 10:11:24 #topic 3.8 update 10:11:29 cjh, over to you 10:11:35 oleonard: just making certain people who believe the world is exactly 960 pixels wide have not been creeping in the back door. 10:11:50 #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_10_July_2013 10:11:51 Things have been very quiet since 3.8.14 10:12:29 the problem we had with 3.8.14 regarding translations may have a fix, email from bgkriegel that I have to look into, so hopefully 3.8.15 will have some new translations :) 10:12:30 you planning a 15? 10:12:47 thd: I think oleonard has proven he is not one of those people 10:12:48 cool, so yes 10:13:07 3.10.x hasnt had any more patches since it's last release, so I will have to check bugzilla for that, the translations themselves might justify a 3.8.15. 10:13:53 #info 3.8.15, assuming that the translations are fixed, will be on schedule 10:14:22 I think that is everything I have worth saying. 10:14:31 cjh++ :) 10:14:32 how are you feeling about retiring the 3.8 line? 10:15:13 or, how is *anyone* feeling about retiring the 3.8 line 10:15:31 hm i think we always said that we will maintain it as long as someone wants to maintain 10:15:32 my thinking was that at the 3.14 release I wouldn't continue, so it depends if someone else wanted to carry it on. 10:15:57 releases are always maintained as long as someone wants to maintain them 10:16:31 will we have packages of older releases at some point? 10:16:40 #info MJ Ray, software.coop member, England 10:16:53 #info cjh thinks he will stop as maintainer for 3.8 after the Pi release 10:16:55 drojf: hasnt happened yet 10:16:58 so i think if cjh is willing to continue until 3.14 that would be nice? 10:17:05 drojf: if you want to build and maintain them :) 10:17:13 eythian: i don't :) 10:17:31 (or, there's sufficient call for them, which hasn't really happened) 10:17:41 cjh++, thanks for the update 10:17:44 kf: that is the plan :) 10:17:52 #topic 3.10 update 10:18:40 :) 10:18:53 I don't think Bernardo is here 10:19:04 I think the maintainer is not around - my knowledge of it is that releases are continuing on schedule 10:19:18 soo 10:19:26 #topic 3.12 update 10:19:35 is tcohen about? 10:19:59 hm might be a little early for him not sure 10:20:13 also not, so the same update there as well - releases are continuing on schedule. 10:20:30 does anyone have anything they would like to bring up for posterity regarding 3.10 or 3.12 at this time? 10:20:49 oh one thing 10:20:50 i think one thing is sure there is no AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/Members.pm in the untarred source tree of koha-3.02.01.tar.gz 10:20:50 tcohen++ bgkriegel++? :) 10:21:15 Hush wahanui 10:21:20 continue, eythian :) 10:21:30 a minor thing is that 3.12 has a new dependency, so the next release will require a dist-upgrade rather than a normal one. 10:21:43 Just making sure it's documented somewhere. 10:21:58 (this catches people out whenever it happens) 10:22:17 #info 3.12 has a new dependency, it will require a dist-upgrade instead of a normal upgrade for package users 10:22:30 cool, thanks eythian 10:22:38 speaking of, it's not in the agenda - but 10:22:51 #topic packaging update 10:22:53 anything to note really? 10:22:58 heh 10:23:07 besides what is already noted? :P 10:23:12 not really. 10:23:20 excellent. no news is good news. 10:23:20 it's all fine. 10:23:39 right - so 10:23:48 #topic 3.14 update 10:23:50 gmcharlt? 10:23:50 rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology 10:23:58 well yes, but is he around? 10:24:03 I highly doubt it. 10:24:13 you know the ninja he is... 10:24:16 QA, would you like to say anything? 10:24:19 might just show up any second out of nowhere 10:24:36 :) 10:24:42 hm i guess the usual: please people, keep testing and test well, sign off and write test plans 10:24:53 oh and also, try to go beyond the test plan of the developer 10:25:02 ask yourself what else might break and if the change makes sense 10:25:06 i'm german, we follow orders 10:25:11 shush 10:25:13 :) 10:25:25 #info QA requests "please people, keep testing and test well, sign off and write test plans" 10:25:25 kf++ 10:25:36 so nothing new really ;) 10:25:41 #info and please try to go beyond the test plan of the developer 10:25:50 thx wizzyrea :) 10:26:03 #info ask yourself what else might break and if the change makes sense 10:26:19 How are the queues looking? 10:26:30 dashboard? 10:26:30 i heard dashboard was at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 10:26:37 not too bad 10:26:43 i think we need someone lookig at unimarc patches 10:27:00 #action someone please look at unimarc patches. It's getting a little silly. 10:27:01 and we have some bigger patches going back and forth 10:27:10 hey, i didn't say that! :) 10:27:15 I did! 10:27:17 ;) 10:27:49 #info let the record show that it was wizzyrea who proclaimed the level of unimarc patches "silly," not kf 10:28:05 heh 10:28:31 'needs signoff' is quite high, atm 10:28:56 nothing in there is very old to 10:28:58 tho 10:29:17 i think a lot goes in, a lot goes out 10:29:25 #info get busy signoffers! only about 3 months left! (ish) 10:29:34 oh wow true! 10:29:39 thats a nice point chris :) 10:29:40 yea the turnover seems quite good lately 10:30:05 #info nothing in the signoff queue is all too old, so good work on that. Keep it up! 10:30:08 we are a productive bunch of people ;) 10:30:26 http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha&c= 10:31:03 ok, if there's nothing else about 3.14 (code name Pi) 10:31:05 on to 10:31:10 #topic Kohacon13 10:31:11 fwiw, 'needs signoff' was very low 3 months ago… such is progress :) 10:31:25 3 months ago we released ^.^ 10:31:43 updates on kohacon? how is the planning going? 10:32:24 hm seems no one is around who wants to talk about that eh 10:32:49 fair enough - 10:32:54 I'll be coming. We think (at the mo') that Irma may not this time. 10:33:19 yes, quick poll, how many in attendance are planning to go to Kohacon? 10:33:32 +1 10:33:39 +1 10:33:44 +1 10:33:46 0 10:33:55 0 10:34:02 what are we voting? 10:34:05 0 (lianza instead) 10:34:08 sorry, got distracted for a sec :) 10:34:10 if we are going to kohacon 10:34:12 attendance to kohacon 10:34:13 +1! 10:34:34 * kf wants to mention the volunteers page 10:34:34 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Volunteers 10:34:35 0 10:34:39 0 10:35:28 +1 10:35:32 0 10:35:44 cool, so a few in attendance are going, and it should be a good time :D 10:35:57 #topic Kohacon14 10:35:57 :) 10:36:01 i said i'd send a mail to the list asking for proposals, which i did http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-June/036518.html 10:36:08 i set up a wiki page for the proposals and we already got a first entry by tcohen and bgkriegel for kohacon in argentina http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2014_Proposals 10:36:12 I think we got one proposal from argentina 10:36:21 ah good someone who has something to talk about! 10:36:39 I think next step would be setting a date for the vote? 10:36:44 that might also trigger more proposals 10:36:55 when do you want to cut off the proposals? 10:37:03 no later than kohacon? 10:37:13 or a month in advance? 10:37:21 i'd say around kohacon13 10:37:50 let's say have the vote a few weeks before Kohacon, so that the organisers can meet and hobnob 10:38:04 a few weeks before kohacon is now :P 10:38:44 errr 10:38:47 it's in october :P 10:38:48 so voting beginning of october? 10:39:00 that is only a few weeks away ;) 10:39:01 yep, and submissions by mid september 10:39:02 wizzyrea. I think that drojf is correct meaning that you would be setting an impossible case. 10:39:43 what? 10:40:00 No, Sept is two months away. 10:40:00 kohacon14 10:40:07 you cant really have the vote after october 10:40:25 i think another reminder to the list and begining of october/end of september 10:40:34 that would make it impossible to actually organise a functional conference (or at least very very hard) 10:40:41 and make sure we get the voting mechanism and tool sorted way in advance 10:40:58 #info submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October 10:41:02 i'd send another mail asking for proposals a little before next meeting so we can have a look at the outcome at the meeting 10:41:18 will you do that drojf? 10:41:22 yes 10:41:25 drojf++ :) 10:41:37 #action drojf will send a reminder for people to get in their proposals by September 15 10:41:43 Cook is out. England 1-27 (for those who know what that means) 10:41:59 drojf++ 10:42:12 If we have people giving attention to proposed venues at this time the case may not be impossible, otherwise Argentina would be chosen by default. 10:42:44 im fine with taht 10:42:56 #topic Action items from last meeting 10:43:02 its not like this is some new conference 10:43:13 we are still working diligently to "test all the things" so can put a tick next to that one 10:43:29 (but keep it up please and thank you) 10:43:53 :) 10:43:58 and drojf is again on the hook for kohacon emails :) but other than that, I think we are done here 10:44:03 #topic Anything else? 10:44:07 nope 10:44:18 more cookies 10:44:37 Thank you all very much for your attention and commitment to the community, we will see you back here next month (if not before!) 10:44:51 we should set a date ;) 10:44:58 :) 10:44:58 and a time 10:45:02 oh yes 10:45:11 #topic time and date of next meeting 10:45:35 someone who is good at calendars please help 10:45:41 i think it's the uneuropean timeslot. 2UTC? 10:45:46 7th? 10:45:46 i guess 7th is worth a try 10:45:59 7 Aug, 2UTC? 10:46:15 * kf will be sleeping 10:46:20 * drojf too 10:46:51 #agreed Next meeting is 7 Aug, 2013, 0200 UTC 10:47:02 because no one stopped me to tell me otherwise 10:47:05 Would anyone objecgt to 14 Aug.? 10:47:16 mmm we usually do it first week 10:47:29 unless brooke visits the opera 10:47:41 errr 10:47:44 Oh actually 2 UTC is not an obstacle for the first week. 10:47:48 i think shorter is better than longer 10:47:59 ok, have to go - bbl 10:48:07 ok, 7th is alright - all ok :) 10:48:08 +1 14 Aug. 2 UTC 10:48:16 +1 7 Aug. 2 UTC 10:48:25 s/14/7/ 10:48:28 :) 10:48:29 gotya 10:48:42 Thank you all again, have a good $timeofday 10:48:49 #endmeeting