22:01:03 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2 22:01:03 Meeting started Wed Jun 11 22:01:03 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:01:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:01:03 The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2' 22:01:17 #info Agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014 22:01:23 #topic Introductions 22:01:24 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 22:01:30 #info Galen Charlton, ESI 22:01:51 #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 22:01:52 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 22:02:21 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 22:03:37 #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst NZ 22:03:58 * thd is merely semi-present 22:04:09 ok 22:04:19 in tcohen's absence, we'll skip the RM 3.18 update 22:04:30 #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially 22:04:52 #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ 22:04:53 #info Current proposal for wording in the coding guidelines: (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 22:05:38 this was voted on in the first meet 22:05:41 ing 22:05:51 any questions, comments, or other feedback before we vote on it here? 22:06:16 besides, "good riddance?" 22:06:44 (no! we must keep at the historical dead things!) 22:06:45 ;) 22:07:06 #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain 22:07:06 Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 22:07:06 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 22:07:23 #vote yes 22:07:23 i was at the first meeting, so I won't vote again 22:07:25 #vote yes 22:07:29 #vote yes 22:07:46 wizzyrea: The grass is always greener elsewhere until you have discovered all the difficulties of digesting especially green grass :) 22:08:09 #vote yes. 22:08:09 mtompset: yes. is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. 22:08:14 #vote yes 22:08:19 that grass is pretty much dead. 22:08:25 (since I didn't get inthe first meeting. ;) ) 22:08:43 #info Mark Tompsett 22:08:56 one minute too vote closing 22:08:57 * thd already voted yes with concerns about even free software projects originating at Twitter. 22:10:33 #endvote 22:10:33 Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are 22:10:33 Yes (4): eythian_, wizzyrea, rangi, mtompset 22:10:58 #agreed the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes 22:11:15 #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 22:11:16 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 22:11:43 #info (from part 1) gmcharlt has action items to review patches and redy them for signoff by end of June 22:12:04 #info also action item to schedule a GBSD dedicated to it in early July 22:12:34 #info Joubu has action item to look at bug 11811 and look at adjusting on or more sandboxes to use the utf8_unicode_ci collation in their mysql databases 22:12:35 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV 22:12:58 needless to say, anybody else who wants to join in patch review is very much welcome to 22:14:27 any comments before we move on? 22:14:53 apart from patch review i think there are some remaining problems 22:15:44 ? 22:15:44 hm, trying to phrase that better 22:15:51 cait: Do you mean problems within the scope of the bug but out of scope for the existing patches? 22:15:59 there are some known issues still that need to be solved in the patch series 22:16:02 right, Joubu had identified a couple issues in the bug that he wants some help writing patches for 22:16:20 I'll undertake them as part of my review, but again, more eyes welecome 22:16:23 yes, thx gmcharlt 22:16:24 welcome, even 22:16:41 and thx again for working on those :) 22:16:51 *++ 22:17:14 ok, moving on 22:17:20 #topic Big stuff we are working on 22:17:38 #info BibLibre is working on an RFC for revamping how taxes are handled in acquisitions 22:17:51 biblibre++ 22:18:02 im working on the mulitple bookcovers dev, that you would have seen kathryns email about, its not that big, should have something to submit in a couple of weeks 22:18:04 since the IRS's grand scheme to TAX THE WHOLE WORLD is not quite complete... feedback from everybody is essential 22:18:22 to ensure that the outcome works well enough for everybody 22:18:59 Did I understand that the BibLibre acquisitions RFC is awaiting more work before publishing it in English? 22:19:16 * eythian is no longer busmeeting. 22:19:16 that's my understanding 22:19:30 or at the very least, they're working on translating it 22:20:13 #info rangi is working on support for multiple sources of book covers 22:20:20 eythian: how is ES coming along? 22:21:00 gmcharlt: quite well. Implementing all that's on the advanced search page is almost done (availability is slightly tricky for unexciting reasons.) 22:21:18 Still figuring out how to do the browse interface stuff, but have some leads on that. 22:21:29 cool 22:21:32 any other projecst? 22:21:39 I'm hoping to put patches up for testing reasonably soon 22:21:46 rangi: Do you mean multiple live sources? 22:21:47 Oh right dev meeting 22:21:50 very alpha testing. 22:22:42 defining availability has always been a question. 22:22:43 rangi: Or is there a bug blocking the use of stored images for book covers? 22:23:00 Have rancor updates 22:23:19 pianohacker: go for it 22:23:28 thd: multiple sources including local covers, but with fallback 22:23:50 so you define the order, and it tries them until it gets one that has an image (or fails on all) 22:23:51 Rancor has several bugfixes and a new metasearch backend that does not depend on pazpar2 22:24:00 oooo 22:24:25 pianohacker: what are you using instead? 22:24:46 Needs to be refactored a bit, and the results have to be refetched for each page load, but it supports sorting and pagination 22:24:56 Also needs relevance ranking at some point 22:25:17 cait: Just ZOOM, all of the record fetching and sorting is done in Koha now 22:25:44 seems to be about the same speed as pazpar2, and works more consistently 22:25:55 is that an option for opac too? 22:26:06 cait: Possibly :) 22:26:15 guessing you're thinking for bug 10486? 22:26:16 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 22:26:58 of course :) 22:27:03 #info prog/CCSR deprecation now the HTML5 guideline: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML5:_Deprecation_of_the_.27prog.27_and_.27CCSR.27_OPAC_themes 22:27:20 I'd definitely want some kind of results caching before I put it on an OPAC, and I'm not sure of the best way to do that 22:27:52 pianohacker: time for you to investigate Koha::Cache 22:28:11 especially my new+improved version (I can't remember if it's in master yet or not) 22:28:24 gmcharlt: That was my thought, my major question was value size limits, though 22:28:51 oh, it's not it needs someone to poke bug 12041 22:28:52 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Improve Koha::Cache 22:30:27 If I do the straightforward thing and shove the entire result set in as a MARC blob, it comes out to roughly 250 KB for the 100-record fetch I'm currently doing. This only really works for Memcached, though, and if servers send back a ton of huge records my impression is that the key storage silently fails 22:30:40 Not a terrible thing but I was curious if there's a better way 22:31:42 probablyu worth describing it in detail on a koha-devel post 22:31:45 get more eyes that way 22:31:46 yeah 22:31:48 Seems like a good idea 22:31:54 any other topics? 22:32:02 yeah 22:32:20 i have a couple that id like to run past people, not strictly dev, but related 22:32:28 first there is 22:32:31 http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/05/23/vals-semester-of-code-foss-projects-wanted/ 22:32:33 just a note that there's a series of plack patches around that people could look at if they want something to do. 22:32:41 For staff client plack support. 22:33:09 Can the result set records be quickly stored in some temporary database storage if the result set is unexpectedly large but not egregiously large. 22:33:10 i think we have some areas were testing/qa gets into a bottleneck 22:33:11 Some are in master now, but there are some that aren't. 22:33:13 sip, caching, ldap 22:33:14 ? 22:33:44 so if someone feels able to test in that areas, please go for it 22:33:59 thd: that's a possibility 22:34:28 cait: perhaps someone who knows them should write up testing guides on the wiki? 22:34:48 well not me then... i have done a bit of sip, but no ldap and caching so far :( 22:34:55 i'd like to use one of those tesitng guides 22:35:03 caching is actually pretty easy, ldap is less so. 22:35:14 rangi: reading 22:35:20 rangi: the VALS SoC looks interesting; my main comment is that if we want to do it, we should line up several commitments for mentors first 22:35:27 yep 22:35:31 it sounds interesting 22:37:03 rangi: and the other thing you wanted to bring up? 22:37:44 ah yep 22:37:49 http://paste.koha-community.org/40 22:37:56 really really rough draft 22:37:57 for 22:38:05 https://linux.conf.au/miniconf-cfp 22:38:16 #info rangi mentioned the VALS summer of code (http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/05/23/vals-semester-of-code-foss-projects-wanted/) as a possible project for Koha to cnosider 22:38:27 but if it does get accepted i will be trying to get some people from koha to be speakers 22:38:36 as well as evergreen, islandora, et al 22:39:30 cool 22:39:50 so if anyone feels like a trip to wherever the next LCA is... :) 22:39:57 auckland nz 22:39:59 #info rangi is proposing a cultural hertiage and FLOSS miniconference for the lca2015 in Auckland (https://linux.conf.au/) 22:40:05 oooh... 22:40:06 oh, that's boring 22:40:21 way not as cool as wellington. 22:40:24 heh 22:40:25 HAR 22:40:29 :) 22:40:36 true 22:40:41 eythian: couple small questions about the new Koha::Cache module after da meeting 22:40:45 sure 22:41:55 thanks, rangi 22:42:10 thats all i have 22:42:21 regarding setting a date for the next meeting, I suggest we wait for when tcohen is back home 22:42:54 sounds good 22:43:39 ok 22:43:42 thanks everybody 22:43:45 #endmeeting