21:01:46 #startmeeting General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 2 21:01:46 Meeting started Wed Apr 9 21:01:46 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:46 The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_2' 21:02:00 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_April_2014 Agenda 21:02:16 #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_1.2014-04-09-15.00.html Minutes from first part 21:02:30 #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_1.2014-04-09-15.00.log.html Log from first part 21:02:35 #topic Introductions 21:02:36 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:02:46 #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM, Equinox, USA 21:02:53 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:03:18 #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2, India 21:05:16 hm that could be a quick meeting 21:05:19 indeed 21:05:59 we should have a vote for something silly :) 21:06:20 don't go barton... 21:06:56 heh! 21:07:05 OK, give the small attendence, I'll start with repeating the most important announcements 21:07:09 #topic Announcements 21:07:19 * barton_away is *always* up for something silly. 21:07:23 #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040419.html Release schedule 21:08:19 #info 3.14 reelase schedule: 23 April - alpha release; 28 April - feature freeze; 30 April - beta release and soft string freeze; 5 May - firm string freeze; 19 May - RC cut; 22 May general release 21:08:43 #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 21:08:44 #info Folks will be trying to highlight the availability of sandboxes and the like to encourage testing of the beta 21:09:09 hmm, I think we can know swing the vote for the Official Sport of Koha to baseball! ;) 21:09:22 YES!!! 21:09:31 +many many many 1's 21:09:42 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:09:43 heh 21:10:26 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.18 Current 3.18 nominations 21:10:45 #info Galen will be posting a query regarding whether 3.12 and earlier releases will continue to be maintained 21:11:00 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:What_does_a_module_maintainer_do module maintainer discussion 21:11:25 the next dev meeting is tenatively scheduled for 23 April, and project roles will be voted on there 21:11:45 I'm now thinking that 15/22 UTC may be better than 15/21 UTC 21:12:07 agreed 21:12:24 #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater 21:13:06 OK, unless there's an object, that's what I'll announce 21:13:29 #agreed Next dev meeting is scheduled for 23 April at 15:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC. Voting for 3.18 project roles will take place then 21:13:31 #info Mark Tompsett 21:13:39 agreed 21:14:08 22 UTC is a problem for me on the first Wed. of the month but I should not really need to attend both times. 21:14:47 at the first meeting we issued a call for volunteers to kick off the Koha 15 selection process 21:14:56 thd has volunteered, but can't get started until next month 21:16:04 and based on when we did it last year, that looks like it's soon eough 21:16:31 so thd, I guess you should plan on doing it 21:16:32 gmcharlt: Were you proposing to change next month's second time to 22 UTC or only the meeting for voting on roles? 21:16:44 thd: I think the general meeting as well 21:18:29 so speaking of which, the next general meeting was tentatively scheduled for 7 May at 15:00 / 21:00 UTC, but I suggest that the second part be scheduled for 22:00 UCT 21:18:34 OK, I should at least be present for the first time on the day and will plan on starting the process for KohaCon 15 next month. 21:18:35 thoughts? 21:19:11 #info Bob Birchall, sorry I'm late 21:19:41 no comments - but I hope I still think 21:19:50 BobB: actually, you're just in time to answer a question regarding scheduling -- would 22 UTC work better for you rather than 21 UTC? 21:21:45 gmcharlt: I do not remember the consensus from the earlier meeting on how to further discussion defining the scope of module maintainer roles if such scope would even need to be defined. 21:22:18 I'll be moving the discussion to koha-devel, where it will have more exposure 21:22:39 but it also depends in large part on what structure tcohen wants to work with 21:24:45 yes, 22 UTC is 8am, not 7 21:25:10 yes gmcharlt, 22 UTC is 8am ,not 7 21:26:43 sounds a lot better 21:26:56 :) 21:27:09 OK 21:27:22 * BobB is waking slowly 21:27:23 #agreed The next general meeting will be 7 May 2014 at 15/22 UTC 21:29:36 any other questions or discussions? 21:30:07 I hope the first half was a little more active? 21:30:12 Mmm.... 21:30:20 * mtompset goes hunting for agenda. 21:30:45 BobB: yes, I thimk we hit a better time there 21:31:17 cool 21:31:32 BobB: Attendence was down at the earlier hour but more active than this presently. 21:31:56 Why do we have so many "active" versions of Koha? 21:32:07 3.8, 3.10, ... 21:32:18 because we have module maintainers for those 21:32:35 as long as someone steps up, the version is maintained 21:33:03 somepeople don't upgrade, there are forks etc 21:33:47 Is 3.8 the Windows XP of Koha? 21:33:50 neither of those are really valid reasons though, basically maintaining a version while someone is willing to 21:33:53 no 21:34:02 I have a preference for encouraging folks to not let themselves get too far behind 21:34:05 3.8 is only 2 years old 21:34:21 and is no longer maintained anyway 21:34:39 the last release was february 21:34:42 I think the big questions are 3.12 and possibly 3.10 21:35:25 maintaining a version for 2 years seems pretty good to me 21:35:28 the version one back from current should always be maintained, imo 21:35:51 yeah, I'd think stable and stable -1 would be the bare minimum 21:35:52 if we want to get into debian proper and we do 21:35:53 yeah, two years makes sense 21:36:02 which would translate to 3.16 and 3.14 upon the releae of 3.16 21:36:04 we would need ot maintain for about that long 21:36:09 stable - 2 would be nice, as it's only 1.5 years back 21:36:30 but it does depend on (at least) a rmaint for 3.12 stepping up 21:36:35 yep 21:37:18 sorry for being late i was in a real life meeting 21:37:45 rangi, this is real life! :) 21:38:16 rangi: more generally, is 22 UTC preferable to 21 UCT for you? 21:38:22 yes 21:38:29 woot woot 21:39:13 OK, I'll do as I planned already, and put out a call for final nominations 21:39:20 with an emphasis on rmaints 21:39:32 sounds good to me 21:39:39 rangi: thoughts on the MM discussion, or shall you just weigh in when I start a therad on koha-devel? 21:40:24 basically that really they should work the way that the RM wants them to work, but that its vital they not short cut QA 21:41:08 so if RM wants them to pick from things passed qa, push to master .. thats fine, if push to a branch, then merge to master fine too, the important step is that the QA role is still done 21:41:15 but someone other than the person pushing 21:41:28 thats my 2cents anyway 21:41:29 :) +1 21:41:29 other than /just/ the pesron pushing 21:41:43 +1 21:41:44 yep 21:43:10 I think the important bit is to have more people on the pqa witout reduing the eyes on a patch 21:43:15 if that makes sense 21:44:01 yep 21:44:25 OK, any final comments or topics? 21:46:16 OK, thanks everybody! 21:46:19 #endmeeting