20:03:16 #startmeeting General IRC meeting 5 August 2015 20:03:16 Meeting started Wed Aug 5 20:03:16 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:03:16 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_5_august_2015' 20:03:23 #topic introductions 20:03:24 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 20:03:38 please follow wahanui's example and introduce yourself with #info 20:03:41 #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions 20:03:44 #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 20:03:46 #info Jesse Maseto , ByWater Solutions , USA 20:03:49 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:04:24 #info Giannis Kourmoulis, A.U.Th. Greece 20:04:38 I think we forgot again to send a reminder about th emeeting... :) 20:04:43 small meeting this time 20:04:46 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_August_2015 20:04:57 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York - Busy helping a friend avoid eviction for having too wonderful a private library 20:05:06 i will give a little bit more time for people to show up 20:05:26 #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA 20:05:40 wnickc: #info? :) 20:05:55 oh 20:05:56 nope 20:05:59 #info brendan gallagher bywater 20:06:13 I’m getting pulled in other directions so I maybe in and out (sorry) 20:06:14 #info joy nelson bywater 20:06:24 bag: try not to fall apart :) 20:06:31 HA 20:06:40 can somebody post the link to the meeting itinerary? please? :-) 20:06:48 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_August_2015 20:06:57 cait++ 20:07:32 slowly moving on then :) 20:07:43 #topic Announcements 20:07:53 someone from KohaNa maybe? 20:08:09 I think most everyone at Koha NA is out of channel 20:08:19 ah wrong time i guess 20:08:32 i will have to read the blog posts later then 20:08:37 some other announcement? 20:08:38 cait: one sec 20:09:46 *waits* 20:10:10 http://bywatersolutions.com/tag/nakug15/ 20:10:18 sorry, took a bit to find 20:10:27 can I #link it? 20:10:40 i will do it 20:10:48 #link http://bywatersolutions.com/tag/nakug15/ 20:10:54 ok, moving on :) 20:10:56 I missed the opening of some 20:10:58 wait 20:11:07 hm? 20:11:22 I missed the opening of some recent meetings to announce the following. 20:11:55 I have been helping a friend avoid eviction for the past two months and for the next month. 20:12:19 cool :) 20:12:38 When the ordeal is over I will resume my interrupted work on migrating databases etc. for the wiki. 20:12:52 thx thd 20:12:59 moving on :) 20:13:12 #topic Update on releases 3.18 - 3.20 20:13:15 My friend is accused of having too nice a private library for his apartment. 20:13:26 btw, please all refresh the agenda 20:13:33 #info Mark Tompsett 20:13:39 some additions have been made 20:13:52 #info chris cormack, catalyst, NZ 20:13:57 morning rangi 20:14:06 could you give an update on 3.20? 20:14:08 it is not allowed to make the list longer while the meeting is already running :P 20:14:09 3.20.3 is on track, nothing special to report 20:14:27 i think similar for 3.22 and 3.18 :) 20:15:04 there is some interesting stuff in the qa queue 20:15:14 but not a lot that is easy to test :) 20:15:52 as always... please test and sign-off on patches! 20:16:00 ok, moving on ... 20:16:06 That's why I was delayed paying attention. ;) 20:16:14 #topic KohaCon15 20:16:30 someone around? 20:16:56 doesnt look like it 20:17:19 ok 20:17:21 moving on i think 20:17:26 i am going 20:17:33 thats all the kohacon15 news i have 20:17:38 :) 20:17:44 rangi++ 20:17:47 excellent news 20:18:19 ok,... now 20:18:24 #topic KohaCon16 20:18:46 ikourmou: would you like to say something about your plans/proposal? 20:18:54 ok. 20:19:19 our proposal appears in the respective page 20:19:40 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon16_Proposals 20:19:49 Which respective page? 20:19:58 we will soon have a dedicated page containing info about the city (Thessaloniki), the university etc 20:20:23 we can host the next kohacon on may or june 20:20:35 What about a more detailed proposal which has traditionally been expected of candidate venues? 20:21:01 hmm don’t know what you’re talking about thd 20:21:06 What sort of details are required? I'll nudge the Philippine proposal folks. :) 20:21:17 what info should it contain? 20:21:37 proposed dates, proposed venue, .. it doesnt need much more info than that 20:21:40 thd: did you see the link to the wiki page? 20:21:48 * thd looks for an example from previous years. 20:21:49 both bids are pretty detailed already 20:22:06 and ikourmou just said they will put up some more info 20:22:17 thd you thinking of code4lib or something? 20:22:22 Maybe I should state the issue differently. 20:22:36 A proposed weekly schedule? 20:22:43 ? 20:23:02 naw, you dont do anything like that until after 20:23:05 mtompset: with blanks all along? because there is no call for papers before the vote 20:23:05 i think one nice addition would maybe be a contact email address - but that's about the only thing i am missing 20:23:38 basically, unless you are planning to change the format of 3, 1, 3 to something else, venue, and dates are the main thing 20:23:45 We previously disqualified a prospective host and held no vote when one prospective host entered brief details in the wiki but did not link to anything more detailed and then stopped communicating. 20:24:06 thd: have you looked at the wiki page? 20:24:16 there are a lot of links already 20:24:17 naw, that was when someone else entered that persons details in 20:24:20 i think the stopped communicating might have been the bit - we also had the case wher esomoene else had entered information from an email to the mailing list as bid 20:24:27 exactly 20:24:42 i believe both bids in this case are valid 20:25:06 3 out of the 4 people listed in the Philippine proposal are friends of mine on Facebook. ;) 20:25:15 Ok, I recognise that the stopped communicating and entry from a third party were the most problematic elements. 20:25:16 I talk with one of them regularly too. :) 20:25:33 Nevermind :) 20:25:40 The Philippine big is definitely valid. 20:25:44 ^big^bid^ 20:25:45 I will add this info (contact email, proposed schedule format) and some background info 20:25:53 great 20:25:54 ikourmou: that is perfect 20:26:25 we are in the proccess of migration to koha 20:26:34 mtompset: because you are friends with them on facebook? :) 20:26:45 excellent ikourmou (best of skills to you) 20:26:46 ikourmou: cool - when will you go live? 20:26:53 and another university in Thessaloniki just began 20:26:54 drojf: One is my colleague. :P 20:26:56 nice 20:27:01 exciting 20:27:22 Just to remind people, in the past the first column usually had a link in the past to a more detailed proposal than could be accommodated in a simple wiki table. 20:27:25 my university library is pallning to go live on the 2nd week of september 20:27:37 oh soon, good luck! 20:27:50 awesome, good luck 20:28:59 ok, the next thing on the agenda was setting a date to start the vote? 20:29:02 someone from the philippines around to tell something? 20:29:11 oh yes, sorry 20:29:12 apart from facebook friends? :P 20:29:27 Sadly, no... it's 4:30am there. 20:29:30 there was an issue with the location i think 20:29:51 would be good to know how that works out before we vote 20:30:00 When will the vote be? 20:30:14 we will decide that in a minute i guess 20:30:32 or we already did, but i did not find a date. just "september" 20:30:59 it'll be the date of the meeting in september 20:31:09 so we should decide now a) when no new bids are accepted b) when we vote 20:31:10 when we decide that at the end of this meeting :) 20:31:29 we vote at the meeting? 20:31:40 we did online votes in the past 20:31:40 i think thats a good time to start it 20:31:45 rangi: Would we not have a community wide vote? 20:31:48 online voting for a week after that 20:32:01 works for me 20:32:14 ah ok 20:32:21 so can we agree on that? 20:32:26 until when do we accept new bids? right before that? 20:32:31 start the online vote at the september meeting? 20:32:34 yes +1 (agreed) 20:32:43 +1 form me too 20:32:52 +1 20:32:55 +1 20:32:56 +1 20:33:28 #agreed The voting on the bids will beginn with the date of the september general meeting 20:33:44 how long? 1 week or 2? 20:33:45 Is automated vote recording not functioning? 20:34:00 and deadline for bidding? 20:34:07 thd: i just thought i'd keep it a bit ismpler this time 20:34:08 cait: 1 week seems long enough for me 20:34:23 1 week 20:34:28 ok 20:34:35 1 week. 20:34:45 #vote Shall the vote be open for one week? yes,no 20:34:54 I’d say the deadline is now - but of course anyone can object 20:34:57 yes 20:35:01 #startvote Shall the vote be open for one week? yes,no 20:35:01 Begin voting on: Shall the vote be open for one week? Valid vote options are yes, no. 20:35:01 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:35:02 yes 20:35:07 yes 20:35:09 #vote yes 20:35:10 #vote yes 20:35:11 #vote yes 20:35:12 drojf: Did we not just now agree to close bidding from the next meeting? 20:35:15 #vote yes 20:35:23 #vote yes 20:35:24 #vote yes 20:35:27 #vote yes 20:35:42 thd: i think we agreed that we start voting then, not the other thing 20:35:48 or maybe i got confused :) 20:35:49 #agreed The vote will be open for 1 week before closed 20:35:50 nope we didnt thd, we agreed we will start voting then 20:36:01 bids will need to close before that 20:36:04 ok, now we can agree on when to close the time for bidding 20:36:09 how about 1 week before the meeting? 20:36:10 bag: i think doing that without announcement is not the best option 20:36:11 so that the voting site can be set up 20:36:16 or 2 weeks? 20:36:17 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 20:36:24 a week from now? 20:36:29 good for me 20:36:32 no need to wait really 20:36:35 ok by me 20:36:36 I feel like we’ve asked for canidates for a few months now 20:36:37 when is the september meeting? 20:36:40 yeah, exactly 20:36:44 its been open for 6 months 20:36:51 yup 20:36:56 #endvote 20:36:56 Voted on "Shall the vote be open for one week?" Results are 20:36:56 yes (7): cait, mtompset, bag, thd, drojf, rangi, ikourmou 20:37:01 sorry, forgot to end 20:37:01 if you leave it to the last week .. well, you probably arent the best organiser ;) 20:37:20 #info yes (7): cait, mtompset, bag, thd, drojf, rangi, ikourmou 20:37:22 or you are just that awesome ;) 20:37:25 hehe 20:37:35 We have had more reminders encouraging candidates in the past but no problems of lack of candidates on this occasion. 20:38:07 i sent a reminder not too long ago, and i think at least one before that 20:38:16 yup 20:38:22 there have been 3 in total 20:38:27 if you want to host it, you don't need a lot of reminders ;) 20:38:42 who is willing to send out an email after this meeting 20:38:45 drojf++ 20:38:46 with all the dates in it? 20:38:48 i can do that 20:38:49 #startvote Shall we close the bidding in one week from now? 20:38:49 Begin voting on: Shall we close the bidding in one week from now? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:38:49 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:38:54 drojf++ 20:38:56 but probably tomorrow morning 20:38:57 thanks 20:39:00 thats fine 20:39:05 #vote yes 20:39:12 #vote yes 20:39:13 #action drojf to send out an email abou the end of the bidding process after the meeting 20:39:15 #vote yes 20:39:16 #vote yes 20:39:17 #vote yes 20:39:24 #infoEugene Espinoza philippines 20:39:26 #vote yes 20:39:33 #vote yes 20:39:51 #vote yes 20:39:56 ready? 20:39:59 Ah, we have a Philippine proposal person: schnydszch (Eugene Espinoza) 20:40:08 #endvote 20:40:08 Voted on "Shall we close the bidding in one week from now?" Results are 20:40:15 hm it hangs 20:40:28 yes I can't connect to IRC since lastg week 20:40:37 #agreed The time to add bids for KohaCon will end in a week from now, drojf is going to send an email 20:40:37 i see 8 yes 20:40:46 I tried this lunch Rome time 20:40:54 and was able to connect 20:40:55 #info 8 yes, 0 no 20:41:31 schnydszch: do you want to say something about your kohacon proposal? 20:42:04 Yes the initial plan of holding it in the National Library of the Philippines seems not possible 20:42:15 So we will find a venue elsewhere 20:42:46 And it seems we can't contact NLP, so other koha people in the Philippines have to step up regarding our bid 20:43:19 I'll bug Manny about it. 20:43:28 we really wanted to involve the National Library in this since they're the biggest koha user in the Phils. 20:43:58 I'm also bugging other people on this, since I'm elsewhere 20:44:21 Please update the wiki when you have a new venue etc. 20:44:36 hm what should i add to the minutes? 20:45:26 Yes and also bugging some people for the official site 20:45:31 i mean a website 20:46:07 I suggest adding that the proposal from the Philippines is changing venues in the midst of changing venue and other details. 20:46:12 so voting will be this september right? 20:46:26 yes 20:46:35 #info venue will probably move from the national library to elsewhere - wiki page to be updated 20:46:43 Yes, starting from the next general IRC meeting date. 20:46:52 schnydszch: yes, we will set the exact date at the end of this meeting 20:47:27 cait: add Philippines to your note 20:48:22 could someone please give a short explanation on the voting procedure? 20:48:27 schnydszch: maybe you can update the wiki page that it will not be national library? 20:48:29 just to avoid confusion 20:49:08 ikourmou: good question 20:49:45 schnydszch: because it states as hosting organisation, so it looks like they organize it 20:49:58 i didn't understand the difference until now i think 20:50:30 or maybe still misunderstanding 20:51:07 ikourmou: someone will set up a website to vote. i did a limesurvey once for a vote, i think we had other systems too. it will be open for a week, everyone can vote 20:52:21 what information did we require last time? 20:52:30 cait: You identified a reason for a more detailed proposal linked from the simple wiki table. However, a column for venue could be added. 20:52:35 i dont know. i asked for an email address when i did it 20:53:04 and a name 20:53:10 sounds good to me 20:53:12 yeah thats about all 20:53:13 drojf: ok, and by "everyone" you mean? 20:53:22 everyone 20:53:22 somebody said everyone was doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver 20:53:30 Actually, venue is probably best understood as part of the location column. 20:53:39 ikourmou: every individual person has a vote 20:53:39 ikourmou: we will announce it to the koha mailing lists, but it is not restricted to that 20:54:42 got it. 20:55:05 ok, can we agree on the voting procedure? email and name? 20:55:24 most people are pretty good about it, we've only had one occasion in 8 years where people with no interest in koha were mobilised to vote 20:55:25 and is someone volunteering to set up the tool for voting? 20:55:36 it's pretty easy to spot when that happens 20:56:07 i can set something up if nobody wants to 20:56:20 if you have time, that would be great drojf 20:56:22 and would probably nominate one or two people to have a look 20:56:27 sounds good 20:56:54 well, if that limesurvey still exists. lol not used that in ages 20:57:11 #startvote Shall we let drojf set up the vote= 20:57:11 Unable to parse vote topic and options. 20:57:13 drojf: you can ask nengard - she’s done it before 20:57:22 for help that is :) 20:57:31 #startvote Shall we let drojf set up the vote? 20:57:31 Begin voting on: Shall we let drojf set up the vote? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:57:31 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:57:34 #yes 20:57:39 #vote yes 20:57:41 #vote yes 20:57:42 i'd add a ! but the vote thing won't like it 20:57:45 #vote yes 20:57:50 #vote abstain ;) 20:57:51 #vote yes 20:58:04 #vote yes 20:58:15 #vote yes 20:58:45 #endvote 20:58:45 Voted on "Shall we let drojf set up the vote?" Results are 20:58:57 no cookie for huginn 20:59:00 #agreed We are going to let drojf set up the vote :) 20:59:01 drojf: You should always vote for yourself if you are not excluded by some rule. 20:59:28 thd: i'm too shy ;) 20:59:35 :) 20:59:38 #startvote Shall the details being asked for be name and email address? 20:59:38 Begin voting on: Shall the details being asked for be name and email address? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:59:38 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:59:49 i am getting the hang of that vote thing *tortures you all* 20:59:56 #yes 20:59:59 no you arent 21:00:02 lol 21:00:05 you just voted wrong again :) 21:00:06 #vote yes 21:00:10 pf. 21:00:19 #vote yes 21:00:20 #vote yes 21:00:38 The understanding is still that the votes submitted are secret except to those conducting the poll. 21:00:39 #vote yes 21:00:44 #vote yes 21:00:47 thd: yes i think so 21:01:00 thd: yes 21:01:15 #info votes are submitted secret except to those conducting the poll 21:01:18 #endvote 21:01:18 Voted on "Shall the details being asked for be name and email address?" Results are 21:01:35 #agreed the vote will ask for name and email 21:01:43 ok, i think we got it all? 21:01:48 moving on? 21:02:22 yup move on 21:03:01 #topic Fundraising 21:03:16 * cait hands the hat to bag 21:03:39 ok 21:03:44 Next steps in Fundraising 21:03:50 first a vote 21:04:08 topic is Voting on additional candidates (see Fundraising) for the Fund Raising Committee. 21:04:30 So we voted in the general meeting and then afterwards paul_p added his name to the committee 21:04:44 we want to vote on if that is ok with everyone for him to join the committee 21:04:52 cait can you handle the vote process? 21:04:59 I’ll answer questions 21:05:00 Can we recap who is on the committee? 21:05:23 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 21:05:40 gmcharlt, BobB, bag, Romana 21:05:49 and then vote on Paul_P acceptance 21:06:07 #startvote Are we ok with Paul Poulain joining the fundraising committee? 21:06:07 Begin voting on: Are we ok with Paul Poulain joining the fundraising committee? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 21:06:07 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 21:06:13 Okay, so we are just voting on Paul, because he was added after vote? 21:06:18 yes 21:06:21 to get things tidied up 21:06:22 #vote yes 21:06:26 (not voting since I am on committee) 21:06:27 we already elected the other people 21:06:28 #vote yes 21:06:33 #vote yes 21:06:37 #vote yes 21:06:44 for Paul Poulain 21:07:45 #endvote 21:07:45 Voted on "Are we ok with Paul Poulain joining the fundraising committee?" Results are 21:07:58 #agreed Paul Poulain was elected to join the Fundraising committee 21:08:13 Cool - ok I’m taking over again cait 21:08:18 cait++ 21:08:19 thx 21:08:20 thanks 21:08:33 here’s an update (few lines pasted in) 21:08:34 Another committee meeting coming soon (talk about raising money, grants, and next steps) 21:08:35 Donate button added to main page of koha-community.org (In my opinion (will bring to the committee and the mailing list) too low on page - should be up top and not causing people to have to "search" for it) 21:08:36 More volunteers needed on committee 21:08:37 Establish rules for grants/invoicing committee 21:09:12 #link http://koha-community.org/ 21:09:31 i don't see anything 21:09:42 bottom right. 21:09:43 bottom right is bridgton in maine 21:09:44 scroll down 21:09:46 you may need to scroll. 21:09:51 thanks for backup my point drojf :D 21:09:54 heh 21:10:06 s/backup/backing up 21:10:09 no i do not allow third party stuff like loading things from paypal 21:10:11 :P 21:10:14 bag: There is still a basic problem that most everyone currently on the committee should by the conflict of interest rules recuse themselves in many circumstances leaving no quorum. 21:10:15 but i don't know hwer to put it nicely 21:10:24 i mean ... at the top 21:10:25 ah there you go drojf - that’s why 21:10:28 can we have a non-paypal-servery button? 21:11:03 drojf: provide the code and we can 21:11:20 ok i will have a look 21:11:25 thd: the committee established so far is only to bring money into the fund - not spend it 21:12:20 #info donate button was added to the kc website (scroll down) 21:12:25 bag: As long as the issue is recognised and corrected in due course if it could not be corrected in advance to give more confidence. 21:12:41 #info committee to meet soon again 21:13:04 and thd if the committee once those rules are set - decides to hire a third party - let’s say equinox to do some sign-off/testing - then only those who work for equinox should remove themselves 21:13:07 good moning 21:13:12 *morning 21:14:08 bag: Certainly, however, the appearance would be better if more librarians would be involved. 21:14:27 thd agreed - hence we need more volunteers - they just aren’t coming 21:14:32 yeah.. but i think that's the point of asking for more members :) 21:14:43 do you have a suggestion for recruiting some of the librarians? 21:14:48 can you do that ? 21:14:50 please :D 21:14:59 I’ll send cookies and chocoloate 21:15:12 mybe indeed we could ask people to also suggest someone they think would be a good fit...? 21:15:15 ohh cookies and chocolate 21:15:20 "You can build your own Button Text Links from scratch or take advantage of the Online Button Creator within your PayPal Account.   After generating the button code online, select the "Email" tab to view the Text Link Code." 21:15:21 looks like someone with access to the account has to do it, but its possible 21:15:22 and then ask them of course 21:15:26 I think we need suggestions too cait… 21:16:01 The problem may be in the US a need for a US based funding organisation which is an issue which I had lost time to address for IRS non-profit status. 21:16:02 #info We are looking for more volunteers for the fundraising committee 21:16:26 cool drojf can you send me information. THT has control of the bank account - so I’ll talk to them 21:16:52 i will send you an email tomorrow 21:17:05 #info and any suggestion to the committee on how to make it so more librarians are interested in joining :) 21:17:12 so many things to send tomorrow heh 21:17:40 also an update. I think we are finally almost past the legal stuff - where we finally get to have some fun and move forward with fund raising 21:18:01 bbias 21:18:37 back 21:18:46 that’s really it from me cait 21:18:50 ok 21:18:55 anything that should go in th eminutes? 21:18:58 if there are no more questions - I think we can move on 21:19:03 ok 21:19:09 #topic Support vendor listing 21:19:27 i tihnkwe had agreed to have more discussion during this meeting 21:19:28 #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 21:19:38 and a helpful soul set up a wiki page for proposed changes/solutions: 21:19:41 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Paid_support_providers_list_RFC 21:19:50 but sadly, it#s empty 21:20:00 heh 21:20:03 i'd like to postpone this topic as this meeting is a bit long already 21:20:12 +1 21:20:22 everyone has opinions, no one wants to do anything 21:20:32 postpone for ever as far as im concerned 21:20:39 i think we got some more company pages in the wiki now 21:20:44 but nothing has been communicated 21:21:14 #info Discussion about Paid support providers list to be postponed - please add to the RFC if you want things to move 21:21:19 rangi++ 21:21:25 #topic GBSD 21:21:37 the plan is sitll on - i haven't send an email yt 21:21:42 i hope to get to that this week 21:21:54 there isa first draft of a wiki page available 21:22:09 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2015-09-03_Global_bug_squashing_day 21:22:22 i want to ask for ideas, wish list item etc. and aso for people to host tutorials 21:22:31 or help testing features they developed... whatever you can think of 21:22:46 there is a new section on the page "Specials for this GBSD" 21:22:54 please add yourself there if you plan to contribute something to the event! 21:23:29 i will probably weed the links above a bit to make the page a bit more compact 21:23:48 moving on? 21:24:16 #topic Actions from last meeting 21:24:42 khall volunteered to run a virtual bootcamp during GBSD (will remind him :) ) 21:24:50 and i will send the promised email soon 21:24:56 #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_july_2015.2015-07-08-10.00.html 21:25:07 #topic Agree on date for next meeting 21:25:12 early september? 21:25:25 first wednesday? that would be the 2nd 21:25:34 9 Sep. 21:26:14 i think 9 does not work for m 21:26:15 me 21:26:37 (you can still have a meeting then) 21:27:14 sept 9 please 21:27:15 hm i thought we had agreed to stick to the first week 21:27:41 I think that concluding a vote a week from 9 would be better for having people back from holidays etc. 21:27:59 ok 21:28:10 drojf: which time? 21:28:10 which time is probably better for my area? 10:00+0000 or 22:00+0000? 21:28:24 what holidays 21:28:27 Also a specific request from one candidate should be given attention. 21:28:43 drojf: you know it's your job to tell me the time of the next meeting :) 21:28:44 aren#t there always holidays somewhere? 21:28:45 10 UTC 21:29:02 22:00+0000 is what time in the phils? 21:29:08 10UTC? 21:29:08 it has been said that 10UTC is what we've decided = 18UTC (today) -8 21:29:37 @wunder wlg 21:29:38 Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on August 06, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). 21:29:44 drojf: Yes, however, many academic calendars widely used would encourage a later rather than earlier time in the month 21:30:28 citation needed 21:30:31 ok, so 10 UTC on september 9? 21:31:04 don't make me start the votebot again 21:31:20 http://www.ocdsb.ca/calendar/Pages/Proposed-calendar---2015-2016.aspx 21:31:47 September 8 is firstday of school, so people will be back from holidays, drojf. 21:31:48 drojf: Sorry, I only have anecdotal information about the range of academic calendars in the US running from times starting in late August to mid September. 21:32:59 #agreed 9 September, 10 UTC 21:33:06 #endmeeting