19:11:38 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 13 April 2016 19:11:38 Meeting started Wed Apr 13 19:11:38 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:11:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:11:38 The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_april_2016' 19:11:44 #Introductions 19:11:50 Please introduce yourself using #info 19:11:57 #topic Introductions 19:11:57 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:12:02 like wahanuijust did 19:12:04 #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 19:12:11 today's agenda can be found at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_April_2016 19:12:13 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_April_2016 19:12:20 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 19:12:35 #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 19:12:45 #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater 19:13:30 tcohen: ? 19:13:49 kidclamp: ? 19:14:33 less than 5 again? 19:15:05 #info Nick CLemens, ByWater Solutiojns 19:15:15 #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 19:15:38 ok, moving on 19:15:49 #topic Review coding guidelines 19:16:32 khall had proposed to do a draft for a new goding guidelines page - but I think it will take him a bit longer :) 19:16:55 so we can move on to the second suggestion from oleonard: 19:17:06 #info [oleonard] Proposal: Add a coding guideline discouraging the use of the "onclick" attribute in favor of defining click handlers in separate JavaScript blocks or files. 19:17:28 oleonard has apologized from today's meeting 19:17:39 is this something people generally agree on or are there questions? 19:18:01 * barton generally agrees. 19:18:08 is there a reason for the preference? 19:18:23 i think there is one... but i don't know it 19:18:40 well, it seems reasonable and I trust oleonard to have agood reason 19:18:53 similar here 19:18:57 question is, can we vote? 19:19:34 I'm willing to vote. 19:20:13 me too 19:20:34 +1 19:20:40 #vote Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines? (yes,no) 19:20:44 sec 19:20:51 yes 19:20:52 #startvote Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines? (yes,no) 19:20:52 Begin voting on: Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 19:20:52 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:20:58 sorry, i always mess that up 19:21:05 #vote yes 19:21:06 yes 19:21:16 #vote yes 19:21:46 #vote yes 19:22:04 not really qualified to vote on this, but if oleonard wants it its probably right ;) 19:22:10 #vote yes 19:22:22 I think that is what we all agree, let's hope he does not go mad with power 19:22:45 :) 19:22:51 #endvote 19:22:51 Voted on "Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines?" Results are 19:22:51 yes (4): kidclamp, cait, barton, drojf 19:23:20 #agreed Proposed guideline will be added. 19:23:44 #action oleonard to add his proposed coding guideline, maybe with an example, to the coding guidelines page 19:23:54 #topic Any bugs that are in discussion 19:24:02 does someone have a bug on mind he/she wants to bring up here? 19:25:10 if there is none, i'll jump to the next topic 19:25:26 #topic General development discussion 19:25:33 nobody tested bug 15303 so far, so i wonder if i should invest the time to make the changed i intended or it's not going in the next release aqnyway 19:25:34 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations 19:25:52 i think it might be something for testing at the hackfest maybe 19:26:19 that is a little late for 16.05 19:26:21 i am not good about sysadmin - but i think there would be other people interested to get walked through it 19:26:28 true 19:26:49 i'd like very much to see it - but don't feel comfortable about testing myself 19:27:34 does it renew the certificates too? 19:28:44 that needs a cron job. i can add that 19:29:44 I think that would make it even more appealing, but with cait, not my wheelhouse 19:30:10 tcohen maybe? 19:30:35 i wanted to have some things in koha-letsencrypt and have an option to LE-ify existing instances. i would throw that in until end of the week, but as a lot of people so far said they want to have it and nobody tested the parts so far, i have more urgent things to do 19:31:46 maybe send a quick mail to the mailing list? 19:32:03 saying you need someone to test in order to make thi smoving at this point? 19:32:54 hm. maybe 19:34:35 about the other 4 topics 19:34:42 i don't want to discuss all of them in this small group i think 19:34:49 is there somehting someone is specifically interested in ? 19:35:27 in general, let's use more catmandu :) 19:35:52 when is feature freeze? 19:36:06 28th 19:36:18 lots of good things in the queue 19:36:24 15930 would be nice to get in, and backport 19:36:26 and Joubu sent a good summary email 19:36:33 bug 15930 19:36:34 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15930 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , DataTables patron search defaulting to 'starts_with' and not getting correct parameters to parse multiple word searches 19:36:47 hm agreed, looks like a bug fix 19:36:53 ok then i'm trying to get my own tester :P 19:36:54 so should be not a problem for backporting hopefully 19:37:09 when you find out where to buy them tlel me 19:37:27 i need more qa people :) 19:37:48 i hope tcohen will qa it when i get a signoff person 19:38:05 the other topics are all worthwhile, but probably for another time 19:38:09 can we move to updates from QA? 19:38:25 good by me. 19:38:35 #info bug 15930 for 16.05 and backport 19:38:47 #info feature freeze is on April 28 19:39:04 #info bug 15303 needs a tester to help it moving forward 19:39:05 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations 19:39:11 just feeding the minutes 19:39:17 #topic Updates from the QA team 19:39:29 as always... fix all the bugs please, write good test plans and working code :) 19:39:37 but aside from that i have a proposal 19:39:39 that is not an update :P 19:39:41 something i'd like to try 19:39:59 #info [kfischer] proposal to have an 'exception rule' for SIP2 and LDAP related patches being able to pass QA with 2 sign offs. 19:40:10 we have tried several things.. but ldap and sip2 patches are getting stuck 19:40:21 there are not a lot of testers for those and they are hard to test 19:40:32 i'd like to try if it works with 2 sign-offs 19:40:35 and a qa 'nod' 19:41:04 what do people think? 19:41:54 you can say if you hate the idea - but the quiet is scary 19:42:19 i wonder what is actually required to test those 19:42:20 cait: I'm ambivalent -- on one hand I think that moving patches through expiditiously is a good thing, but we also seem to have a lot of weird bugs show up in new releases, especially wrt/ sip. 19:42:40 you could also suggest a hackfest project to make a SIP/LDAP test system :) (not volunteering ;) 19:42:53 i am torn myself 19:42:59 but a lot of bug fixes got stuck as well 19:43:20 is ashimema coming to greece? 19:43:29 I feel like it sounds reasonable, if the qa 'nod' includes a review fo the code 19:43:34 no - school holidays in UK 19:43:41 i'd say so 19:43:48 who else has any idea of this stuff? 19:43:49 faster passing through might make an extra bug, but allows for the fix to come in 19:43:53 did we ever get any unit tests for sip? I know that someone was working on it at some point... 19:44:00 khall - but he also writes a lot of the stuff 19:44:03 ColinC 19:44:21 maybe get their views? 19:44:30 ColinC can technically pass QA - we approved of that a while ago as a first measure 19:44:36 to have an extra SIP person 19:45:01 at the moment the queue is not super bad 19:45:02 let me check 19:45:09 Is there a reason why the Zebra SRU results don’t include the biblio numbers of the recrds? 19:45:12 records* 19:45:17 hm for ldap i see imeediately on the dashboard 19:45:22 bug 14144 19:45:23 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14144 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence warnings t/db_dependent/Auth_with_ldap.t 19:45:29 bug 6979 19:45:30 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6979 major, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , LDAP authentication fails during password comparison 19:45:31 beatsforthemind: we are in a meeting 19:45:38 bug 15006 sip 19:45:39 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15006 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Need to distinguish client timeout from login timeout 19:45:39 sorry :/ 19:46:01 beatsforthemind: pretty sure they do - checked 999$c? 19:46:03 nothing to be sorry about, but you will probably get no answers atm 19:46:59 beatsforthemind: if you're looking at results in the opac, my guess is that numbers will be supressed if there's any hidden items. 19:47:02 probably more in needs sign off 19:47:22 barton: ? 19:47:31 SRU :) 19:47:45 ah. sorry. nvm. 19:48:09 * barton had his light out, got eaten by an SRU. 19:48:36 back to dev meeting. 19:48:48 heh 19:49:01 ok, we don't have to vote on this if people are not sure about 19:49:33 yeah, I'd want more input from the community. 19:49:36 i might encourage a second sign off in some cases to give the qa people a bit more 19:49:42 999$c is it. thanks cait! 19:49:49 yq 19:49:50 yw 19:49:58 ok, time for setting a date/time next meeting? 19:50:07 #topic Set time of next meeting 19:50:19 i have a proposal here too - i think this time doesn't work well 19:50:41 if we moved it by 2 hours, it won't work for europe well (11pm) but woudl be better for australia/nz i guess 19:50:45 is there something we could work out? 19:51:34 to keep with the rotation i'd suggest 15 utc otherwise for the next meeting 19:51:43 should we have another before feature freeze or is later fine too? 19:52:00 it seems like the 15 utc meetings are better attended. 19:52:03 before would probably make sense? 19:52:06 ok back 19:52:14 ES is signed off!!! 19:52:26 bag: w00t! 19:53:22 bag: that was a real quick coffee? ;) 19:53:36 hm 19:53:40 that leves next week 19:53:43 or something like 26th 19:53:46 bag: what's the bug number on that? 19:53:57 he had to pick, roast, grind and brew, pretty fast for all of that 19:54:07 bug 12478 19:54:08 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Elasticsearch support for Koha 19:55:49 next week could be good cait as low attendance today 19:55:54 ok 19:56:10 wednesday, 20th - 15 utc? 19:56:20 +1 19:56:28 +1 19:56:31 #agreed Next meeting will be on April 20, 15 UTC 19:56:38 #endmeeting