14:02:14 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 24 May 2017 14:02:14 Meeting started Wed May 24 14:02:14 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02:14 The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_24_may_2017' 14:02:20 #topic Introductions 14:02:20 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:02:29 #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:02:32 #info Tomás Cohen Arazi 14:02:38 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 14:02:55 #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre 14:02:56 #info Jonathan Druart 14:04:00 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_24_May_2017 14:04:10 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - Earlier resumption of internet service from Verizon was merely a delusion ... grrr ... 14:04:19 khall barton cait 14:04:40 khall1 14:04:50 #info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch 14:04:59 #invo Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:05:08 #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:05:14 heh, thanks ; ) 14:05:37 okay, starting things 14:05:42 #topic Announcements 14:05:53 anyone? Joubu? 14:06:14 later 14:06:45 kk 14:07:03 #topic Update from the Release manager (17.05) 14:07:08 that's you khall1 14:07:13 #info Marcel de Rooy 14:07:28 No much new to report, pushing a few final bug fixes 14:07:40 I plan on releasing Friday 14:07:55 #info final bug fixes being pushed, release on Froday 14:07:58 #info final bug fixes being pushed, release on Friday 14:07:59 barring any unforseen problems with my move that will leave me without internet access 14:08:46 ask thd 14:09:11 #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:09:31 mtj, jajm 14:09:52 * thd could move one building away for internet access if that would be possible ;( 14:10:00 3.22.21 is out and is the last 3.22.x release 14:10:19 jajm++ 14:10:28 #info 3.22.21 is out and is the last 3.22.x release 14:10:34 jajm++ 14:10:41 3.x++ 14:10:48 Heav2 is officialy backported into all stable releases :) 14:10:56 it's great to have it into 3.x :) 14:11:07 #info 16.11.08 was released on 22nd 14:11:24 #Hea v2 is officially backported into all stable releases 14:11:27 #info Hea v2 is officially backported into all stable releases 14:11:32 jajm++ 14:11:51 jajm++ 14:11:53 :-D 14:11:57 #topic Updates from the QA team 14:12:09 here! 14:12:13 17.05 is coming very soon, do we have time for majors and criticals? 14:12:14 :) 14:12:21 * kidclamp sees a light agenda so moving fast, poke me if you have things to say 14:12:24 We have 4 majors and 2 criticals in the NQA queue 14:12:40 Majors: Bug 18663, bug 18662, bug 18131, bug 16295 ; criticals: bug 17717, bug 10382 14:12:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18663 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Missing db update for ExportRemoveFields 14:12:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18662 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Can not delete currencies 14:12:41 (I have plenty of things to say) 14:12:42 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18131 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Matching staged records when using elastic search fails 14:12:43 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16295 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , marc_modification_templates permission doesn't allow access to modify template 14:12:44 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17717 critical, P4, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , process_message_queue.pl: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm 14:12:45 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10382 critical, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Signed Off , collection not returning to null when removed from course reserves 14:12:50 NQA = SO 14:12:53 Sounds like some of them should go into 17.05 14:12:54 * kidclamp budgets most of the time for that :-) 14:13:24 10382 looks like a failed qa to me 14:13:25 I prefer "NQA" because there is a "Need" in it :) 14:13:42 but yes NQA==SO (and not an assignment marcelr ;) 14:13:53 #info some majors and criticals awaiting QA for 17.05 14:14:08 #info Majors: Bug18663, bug18662, bug18131, bug16295 ; criticals: bug17717, bug10382 14:14:32 So either we lower the severity, or you take care 14:14:48 I cannot as I wrote 4/6 of them, I am against 1 and cannot test the last one 14:15:10 i'll do some QA after the meeting 14:15:17 i will look at what remains on friday 14:15:45 18663 18662 16295 are trivial 14:15:46 #info barton, BWS 14:16:07 17717 should be too, if you recreate 14:16:13 the 2 others are tricky 14:16:34 move on? 14:16:46 #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:17:16 here! :) 14:17:43 :-) 14:17:44 I would like to share with all of you what I shared with few of you last week 14:17:57 I created a kanban board on the taiga website, it's https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/kanban (start by reading the README card) 14:18:04 It is how I'd like to coordinate and assign tasks for the next release (17.11) 14:18:21 I did not shared it widely, to test it first 14:18:25 If you want to join us, feel free to come 14:18:35 Joubu++ 14:18:40 Then I wanted to tell that I received quite a lot of answers from the poll, 29! (2 dup IIRC) 14:18:48 (and some answers are a bit surprising) 14:19:05 If I sum the number of hours they will have to help the community, I get .... 14:19:08 want to guess? 14:19:32 well, not "they will have to" ;) 14:19:37 100 14:19:38 ? 14:19:39 "they said they will" 14:19:42 500 14:19:46 32 14:19:49 683h! 14:19:57 And some big companies did not answer yet. 14:20:12 I need to contact some of the "surprising" answers to make sure they correctly understood the question :) 14:20:13 how realistic are these numbers.. 14:20:23 no idea, some are, some are not 14:20:28 #info Joubu has received good response from survey, 683 possible volunteer hours!! 14:20:45 that's why I will contact the ones that seems too high 14:21:18 Regarding these big numbers (and what they said they were expecting: contribute, getting involved!) my priority for now is to build descend "entry points" for beginners. 14:21:29 I'd like to make clear the information that are useful on our wiki, refresh and update them. 14:21:31 #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/kanban Kanban for 17.11 release 14:21:49 To get help from you and centralize the efforts about "help new contributors", I created a card on the kanban: https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/us/21?kanban-status=1156859 14:22:22 This card contains 3 subtasks: 1. koha-howto (I announced it a week ago, it's ready for testing and getting feedbacks), 2. find new ideas for koha-howto and 3. Create the entry points 14:22:50 This last task points to a pad which aims to be the tool to discuss together on how to get these entry points 14:22:52 Joubu: do you think we should bake how-to into kohadevbox? 14:23:01 How do we to welcome new contributors? Which pages are important? What could have helped you when you started? 14:23:22 tcohen: not yet, but we should later, yes 14:23:27 See https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/Koha_Create_entry_points and improve it. 14:23:38 TLDR; See this last link and reorder/improve/format things 14:23:52 And I am done :) 14:24:01 Joubu++ 14:25:02 anyone want time for responses 14:25:53 * kidclamp is giving it :-) 14:25:57 New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18548: Print usage when missing instance name in koha-create script  / Bug 18569 - Quick add patron will not copy over details from cities and towns pull...  / Bug 18598 - Quick add form doesn't clear values when switching  / Bug 18596 - Quick add form duplicating password confirm  / Bug 18642: Remove debug messages  / Bug 18647: Resolve internal server error on category_type 14:26:12 * cait waves 14:27:30 I have a question for everyone if this is a good time 14:27:57 floor is yours oleonard 14:28:28 I've been looking at the new Hea interface (better late than never) and it occurred to me that it might be nice to make it reflect the style of koha-community.org. What do you all think? 14:28:49 I tried a bit 14:29:27 well not, I get the blue from Koha 14:29:32 not k-c.org 14:29:41 * mveron is called. Bye Kohy 14:29:45 Koha.. 14:30:07 * oleonard 's affectionate name for Koha is now Kohy 14:30:19 * LibraryClaire pats kohy 14:30:40 Did everyone get distracted by something shiny which I can't see? Or are you all nodding in agreement? 14:30:45 Stylistic integration should be an advantage. 14:31:09 * thd nods. 14:31:26 * kidclamp is both distracted and nodding 14:31:30 Kohy++ 14:31:49 I say go forth oleonard and design! 14:31:56 oleonard++ 14:32:05 Alright that's enough for me. 14:32:09 I asked something on the list 14:32:14 *what*? oh. was distracted. nods. 14:32:17 about using UUID 14:32:30 it has its disadvantages 14:32:37 tcohen: as long as you do not replace all pk's 14:32:39 DB index size, for instance 14:33:10 I do not see the difference UUID and adding a column to old_issues (1 PK 'id' and 1 'issue_id') 14:33:16 between* 14:33:21 #info oleonard will work on matching hea interface to koha community website 14:33:45 just merge issues and old_issues if you have time to fix the problem :) 14:33:52 "just" 14:35:32 ping? 14:35:33 Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 14:35:45 why are you all so slow? 14:35:54 :) 14:35:56 I have no strong feeling, but think I prefer table merge 14:36:03 https://www.percona.com/blog/2014/12/19/store-uuid-optimized-way/ 14:36:04 if nobody has something to add, we can move on, no need to wait for nothing 14:36:11 true 14:36:24 * oleonard is unqualified to comment 14:36:33 well, no coding guidelines, so just next meeting 14:36:38 unless anyone has final thoughts 14:36:40 yup 14:37:17 General is June 7, so 14th? 14:37:42 21UTC? 14:38:03 +1 14:38:29 #info Next meeting: 14 June, 2017, 21 UTC 14:38:32 switch 14:38:35 yes 14:38:53 #endmeeting