21:02:25 <kidclamp> #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 27 September 2017 21:02:25 <huginn`> Meeting started Wed Sep 27 21:02:25 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:02:25 <huginn`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:02:25 <huginn`> The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_27_september_2017' 21:02:37 <kidclamp> #topic Introductions 21:02:37 <wahanui> #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:02:51 <kidclamp> #info Nick Clemens,ByWater Solutions 21:03:01 <tcohen> #info Tomas Cohen Arazi 21:03:23 <mveron> #info Marc Véron, Switzerland 21:04:34 <kidclamp> joubu cait marcelr khall fridolin 21:05:10 <kidclamp> bueller? 21:05:45 <kidclamp> tcohen, mveron - should we push this if just us? 21:06:09 <mveron> I don't think so :-) 21:06:39 <kidclamp> I mean reschedule for next week and drum up more attendees 21:06:50 <tcohen> rangi? 21:06:50 <wahanui> I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 21:07:12 <tcohen> I think we should re-schedule, but this doesn't look good to me :-D 21:07:25 <mveron> Let's wait some minutes and then re-schedule... 21:07:32 <tcohen> I'd say same day same time next week if no one shows up 21:07:43 <tcohen> agreed 21:07:43 <kidclamp> kk - lets give them til 21:15? 21:07:50 <mveron> +1 21:07:51 <tcohen> yup 21:07:52 <tcohen> +1 21:08:05 * kidclamp goes to youtube 21:09:17 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:09:34 <kidclamp> hi cait 21:09:42 <cait> ooops 21:11:00 <tcohen> hi cait 21:11:09 * mveron waves to cait 21:11:45 <tcohen> quorum? 21:11:46 <wahanui> i guess quorum is 4 21:11:50 <tcohen> alright 21:12:09 <cait> not sure next week would be better 21:12:19 <tcohen> cait: elaborate :-D 21:12:32 <greenjimll> #info Jon Knight, Loughborough Uni 21:12:39 <tcohen> hi Jon! 21:12:42 <cait> :) 21:12:43 <greenjimll> Hi! 21:12:49 <cait> maybe i am proven wrong 21:13:00 <tcohen> rangi, wizzyrea, dcook 21:13:15 <rangi> too busy at work sorry, and wizzyrea is on annual leave 21:13:57 <alexbuckley_> #info Alex Buckley, Wellington NZ 21:14:04 <tcohen> rangi: too bad, hope to have you around soon! 21:16:09 <alexbuckley_> Hi 21:16:29 <greenjimll> Hi! 21:16:41 <kidclamp> #topic Announcements 21:16:56 <kidclamp> Anyone have anything? 21:17:05 <greenjimll> Not from me. 21:17:10 <cait> Documentation IRC meeting tomorrow 21:17:25 <cait> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_28_September 21:17:43 <kidclamp> #info Documentation meeting tomorrow, 22UTC 21:18:40 <tcohen> There's a scheduled QA sprint next friday 21:18:56 <kidclamp> yup, on agenda 21:18:57 <tcohen> people could join and make it a GBSD 21:19:00 <tcohen> ah, sorry 21:19:02 <tcohen> agenda? 21:19:03 <wahanui> i guess agenda is a wiki 21:19:04 <kidclamp> also on agenda :-) 21:19:10 <kidclamp> #topic Update from the Release manager (17.11) 21:19:28 <kidclamp> Joubu isn't here but read 'what's on' 21:19:59 <kidclamp> #link https://koha-community.org/whats-on-in-koha-devel-15/ 21:20:06 <kidclamp> tcohen can you talk jenkins? 21:20:12 <tcohen> ok 21:20:37 <tcohen> The Mojolicious version change and new deps for the REST api 21:20:48 <tcohen> made our jenkins setup unsustainable 21:21:00 <tcohen> in order to avoid breaking the testing env for stable branches 21:21:15 <tcohen> the infrastructure has been dockerized 21:21:27 <tcohen> this means the tests run on a docker container 21:21:42 <tcohen> which is quite similar to what happens in kohadevbox 21:21:59 <kidclamp> #info jenkins got borked, joubu and tcohen dockerized it and made it more awesome, you should thank them 21:22:02 <tcohen> we went even further, and created dockerized images tasks for the stable branches 21:22:17 <cait> tcohen++ Joubu++ 21:22:19 <greenjimll> Thank you! :-) 21:22:26 <tcohen> so everything is running in docker and while there are some issues 21:22:33 <tcohen> we've learned quite a lot 21:22:40 <kidclamp> tcohen++ 21:22:41 <tcohen> and things look great right now 21:22:43 <kidclamp> joubu++ 21:22:50 <mveron> tcohen++ Joubu++ 21:23:05 <kidclamp> #link https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2017-September/049092.html Release date published 21:23:14 <tcohen> done 21:23:25 <kidclamp> thank you 21:23:46 <tcohen> ah 21:23:51 <kidclamp> #info SO queue is growing and there are majors, please give attention 21:24:01 <tcohen> #link https://github.com/tomascohen/koha-testing-docker 21:24:06 <cait> there are some cool things in signed off... hope qa will be able to qa on time :) 21:24:28 <kidclamp> #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 21:24:36 <kidclamp> cait, the floor is yours 21:24:57 <cait> we are trying to refine the process a bit 21:25:04 <cait> being more coordinated :) 21:25:13 <cait> otherwise nothing new, releases will happen 21:26:10 <kidclamp> #info cait and maintainer are refining processes, distilling awesomeness, expect releases to keep happening 21:26:34 <kidclamp> #topic Updates from the QA team 21:27:00 <kidclamp> #info QA Sprint Day Friday, September 29 21:27:13 <kidclamp> All hands on deck to help out and test and move things along 21:27:20 <kidclamp> make sure to read your bug notifications 21:27:41 <kidclamp> set QA contact when reviewing bugs to prevent duplication 21:27:42 * mveron will be travelling, sorry 21:27:53 <tcohen> mveron: you can do it in advance :-D 21:27:59 <mveron> :-) 21:28:00 * kidclamp is at a training but will do his best 21:28:18 <kidclamp> Anyone else to add? 21:28:45 <greenjimll> Good to see the ILL stuff coming along. 21:29:51 <kidclamp> #info bug 7347 is of interest 21:29:51 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7347 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, dontmerge preference description wrong 21:29:57 <kidclamp> #info bug 7317 is of interest 21:29:57 <huginn`> 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Signed Off , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC 21:30:00 <kidclamp> oops 21:30:05 <kidclamp> #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 21:30:10 <alexbuckley_> In an article I've written for this months newsletter about a research project of automated regression testing tools, I asked developers to please test a whole bunch of selenium tests I have written to extend the Koha selenium test suite from just basic_workflow.t to testing most of the core Koha functionality I'd just like to re-iterate that it would be awesome if any of you can please test those, so I can make alterations (if 21:30:11 <alexbuckley_> necessary)and hopefully get them into Koha 17.11 21:30:24 <kidclamp> heh, sorry alex 21:31:06 <tcohen> alexbuckley: bug number? 21:31:06 <kidclamp> #info read the latest koha newletter for added selenium tests and see if we can get them moving 21:31:10 <tcohen> ah 21:31:11 <tcohen> ok 21:31:42 <tcohen> maybe it is time to integrate Selenium to kohadevbox 21:31:42 <kidclamp> who wants to volunteer to organize gbsd? 21:31:46 <cait> alexbuckley++ 21:31:51 <tcohen> alexbuckley++ 21:31:57 <kidclamp> alexbuckley++ 21:32:12 <mveron> alexbuckley++ 21:32:41 <alexbuckley_> bugs 18974, 19181, 19182, 19183, 19184, 19185, 19189, 19243, 19330, 19330 and more to come :) 21:32:52 <kidclamp> GBSD? volunteer someone who isn't here?:-D 21:33:03 <cait> we are probably going to do a documentation sprint too at some point 21:33:19 <tcohen> kidclamp: can u explain what it involves? 21:33:38 <cait> tcohen: making a wiki page, announcing it 21:33:46 <cait> running the gbsd account for th eday 21:33:49 <kidclamp> sending emails, wiki page, tweeting if you want to be realy excited 21:33:53 <cait> being around :) 21:34:00 <kidclamp> banging the koha drum 21:34:23 <mveron> playing Koha Piano Concerto No. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1jAOMfyY2Q 21:34:24 <kidclamp> usually good to poke the sandbox providers as well 21:34:56 <tcohen> I'll be around to help anyone organizing 21:35:01 <kidclamp> eating the koha dog food? https://jet.com/product/detail/525506c48b7c421c87d543871eb43944?jcmp=pla:ggl:nj_cons_gen_pet_supplies_a2:pet_supplies_dog_supplies_dog_food_a2:na:PLA_751164444_37510663857_pla-326056159867:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&pid=kenshoo_int&c=751164444&is_retargeting=true&clickid=79bb301a-0487-44c1-81f2-317b248bbcf8 21:35:23 <cait> playing the koha ice hockey? 21:36:31 <kidclamp> presumably we want itsoon? so qa can catch up? 21:37:09 <kidclamp> maybe Oct 11 or that week? 21:37:43 <kidclamp> #info kidclamp will send an email to lists to start organizing GBSD in october 21:38:04 <kidclamp> #topic Review of coding guidelines 21:38:16 <greenjimll> I'm happy to do any tweeting required. 21:38:51 <kidclamp> To add to Commit messages: 21:38:51 <kidclamp> Commit messages must start with "Bug XXXXX: " 21:38:51 <kidclamp> Commit messages must be a short explanation of what the patch does (not what the bug is) 21:38:51 <kidclamp> follow-up patches could start with "Bug XXXXX: (follow-up)" or "Bug XXXXX: (QA follow-up)" (if written by QA team) 21:38:53 <kidclamp> follow-up patches must be squashed if not signed-off yet, and the history is not needed 21:38:55 <kidclamp> Commit messages must not refer to bug tracker comment numbers 21:38:57 <kidclamp> bug report title must be a short explanation of what the bug is 21:39:29 <kidclamp> thanks greenjimll 21:39:52 <kidclamp> Jonathan proposed standardizing commit messages as pasted in above 21:40:02 <kidclamp> any comments or would people like to vote? 21:40:07 <cait> just want to remind that these changes will only affect git 21:40:16 <cait> for nice release notes, titles in bugzilla have to be nice 21:40:33 <greenjimll> Why does the commit message need to start with "Bug XXXX"? 21:40:43 <cait> so that the tools pick them up right 21:40:54 <cait> git bz, release notes tool etc 21:41:03 <kidclamp> makes git log nice too, so you know where to find info 21:41:03 <tcohen> it starts with the bug number, greenjimll 21:41:39 <greenjimll> OK 21:42:14 <kidclamp> gonna call for vote 21:42:47 <tcohen> lets vote! 21:42:57 <kidclamp> #startvote Should we adopt the commit message guidelines as outlined in the agenda? 21:42:57 <huginn`> Begin voting on: Should we adopt the commit message guidelines as outlined in the agenda? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 21:42:57 <huginn`> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 21:43:03 <kidclamp> #vote YES 21:43:08 <tcohen> #vote Ye 21:43:13 <tcohen> #vote Yes 21:43:14 <greenjimll> #vote Yes 21:43:25 <mveron> #vote Yes 21:43:28 <tcohen> too late thd, you cannot vote :-P 21:43:48 <kidclamp> tcohen is not chair, ignore him 21:43:53 <cait> #vote abstain 21:43:53 <tcohen> hahaha 21:43:54 <kidclamp> :-b 21:45:07 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - [babysitting and mostly missing the meeting] 21:45:58 <kidclamp> #endvote 21:45:58 <huginn`> Voted on "Should we adopt the commit message guidelines as outlined in the agenda?" Results are 21:46:27 <kidclamp> i broke huginn 21:46:35 <greenjimll> This is like waiting for Eurovision results. 21:46:52 <kidclamp> #info results are 3 yes, 1 abstain 21:47:11 <cait> i count 4 yes i tihnk :) 21:47:24 <cait> kidclamp: tcohen greenjimll mveron 21:47:27 <kidclamp> #info results are 4 yes, 1 abstain 21:47:38 <greenjimll> We broke kidclamp too. ;-) 21:47:41 * kidclamp didn't count kidclamp 21:48:00 <kidclamp> #topic Set time of next meeting 21:48:08 <kidclamp> not hard to do greenjimll 21:49:04 <kidclamp> two weeks is Oct 11 - 14utc 21:49:05 <tcohen> can we do it in 3 weeks? 21:49:12 <kidclamp> works for me 21:49:13 <tcohen> ah, better 2 weeks 21:49:24 <tcohen> I was trying to remember when the release is 21:50:24 <greenjimll> When is GBSD? Is that on Oct 11th too? 21:50:38 <kidclamp> could be 21:50:53 <kidclamp> no harm in having on same day (may get us more attendees) :-) 21:51:08 <kidclamp> meetings are always weds - gbsd canbe any day 21:51:08 * mveron agrees 21:51:16 <cait> make it a gbsd attraction 21:51:27 <kidclamp> sounds good to me 21:51:30 <greenjimll> May as well have them on the same day - promote both at the same time. 21:51:37 <aleisha_> hey all 21:51:38 <kidclamp> #info Next meeting: 11 October 2017, 14 UTC 21:51:41 <kidclamp> hi aleisha_ 21:52:19 <aleisha_> oops did i just jump in on a meeting 21:52:32 <kidclamp> just barely :-) 21:52:44 <kidclamp> last call before i close it :-) 21:53:55 <kidclamp> #endmeeting