20:03:10 #startmeeting General IRC meeting 1 August 2018 20:03:10 Meeting started Wed Aug 1 20:03:10 2018 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:03:10 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_1_august_2018' 20:03:17 #topic Introductions 20:03:17 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 20:03:26 please introduce yourself with #info following wahanui's example 20:03:32 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_1_August_2018 today's agenda 20:03:39 #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro 20:03:42 #info Jonathan Druart 20:03:42 caroline: considering it's response, that wouldn't have gone well :P 20:03:42 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:03:55 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:04:13 #info David Nind, wellington, New Zealand 20:04:29 #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 20:05:00 giving it a minute longer or so 20:05:02 #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland 20:05:58 tuxayo: ? 20:06:19 ok, moving on then 20:06:25 #topic Announcements 20:06:34 any announcements anyone? 20:07:33 ok, moving on 20:07:45 #topic Update on releases 20:07:51 RMaints? 20:07:51 RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05) 20:08:22 i don't think anyone is here :) 20:08:34 ok, moving on 20:08:46 #topic Encouraging sign-offs/testers 20:08:54 this is from me and i am here.. so: 20:09:15 at the moment the QA queue is mostly under control, but we got 66 bugs waiting for sign-off and 245 bugs total 20:09:28 so that's unusual high 20:09:45 on top of that i got feedback from someone who was willing to sign offf, that all sandboxes are broken 20:10:01 that means all 3 providers of sandboxes and no note on the wiki about if it's maintenance or whatever 20:10:28 I've tried, it's at least since last week, maybe longer 20:11:13 #info All sandboxes are currently down. There is no info if this if for maintenance on the wiki. 20:11:41 i think none of hte hosters are around, apart from bag maybe? 20:12:04 yeah not sure why our’s are down - we’ll take a look 20:12:57 thx bag 20:13:14 @action bag to check on status of Bywater's sandboxes 20:13:15 cait: downloading the Perl source 20:13:29 they all have a different errors, that's fun 20:13:30 #action bag to check on status of Bywater's sandboxes 20:13:39 yeah :( 20:14:04 the other question was if we could add a keyword for bugs testable on sandboxes 20:14:23 we use Academy for easy bugs, but sometimes those are related to documentaiton fixes in cronjobs or similar, so not testable 20:14:51 or the reverse? 20:14:57 I think it's a good idea from a search point of view 20:15:07 most of them should be testable on a sandbox 20:15:19 currently there is a lot of elastic 20:15:31 that's a bit harder as you have to clean indexes etc 20:15:39 so maybe a keyword to mark them could help 20:16:06 could maybe jsut be Sandbox 20:16:26 cait: no really here, sorry. 20:16:26 Thanks for the notification :) 20:16:40 that would implicitely mean than others are not testable on a sandbox 20:17:03 not necessarily 20:17:10 we have easy bugs not marked Academy 20:17:56 ok 20:18:08 it oculd help before events or when someone asks for finding some bugs they could test 20:18:57 bag, around? 20:19:05 yes 20:19:22 #topic KohaCon18 20:19:29 sneaking i another topic for a little update 20:19:45 So right now we’re expecting around 150 people maybe a few more 20:19:54 The program is set 20:20:08 https://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/schedule.html 20:20:46 We are still seaking sponsors to help with the costs - only 3 pledges so far (and 2 more that said they will commit some funds) 20:21:22 #info Program is set 20:21:32 Is there a room sharing board? 20:21:35 #link https://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/schedule.html Program 20:21:57 #info Still seaking sponsors! 20:22:10 Cultural day will be an optional fun run/walk in the early morning. Then going to the Portland history musuem, lunch, and then to the Japanese Gardens for the afternoon. 20:22:18 * thd will send a message to mailing list about possibly sharing a room 20:22:56 Bring ideas for the hackfest (the style will be an unconference) 20:23:13 any other questions? 20:23:20 #info Cultural day will be an optional fun run/walk in the early morning. Then going to the Portland history musuem, lunch, and then to the Japanese Gardens for the afternoon. 20:23:33 hmm… Don’t know about room sharing board... 20:23:37 #info Bring ideas for the hackfest! (style will be an unconference) 20:23:46 registrations? :) 20:24:02 what do you mean “registrations”? 20:24:18 what do you mean "unconference"? :) 20:24:48 how many registrations:) just curious 20:25:00 ah unconference - no set schedule :) we’ll decide what we’re going to do on the different days of the hackfest. I think that the RM will be a default leader of those days 20:25:30 yep, excellent 20:25:30 we have 188 registered so far - I am expecting so where around 150 to show up 20:25:52 Is there a cutoff date for registrations? 20:26:01 no cut off date 20:26:33 #info 188 registrations so far - no cutoff for registrations 20:26:37 Thanks! 20:27:55 ok, if there aren't anymore questions, we can move on? 20:28:02 #topic KohaCon19 20:28:20 #info there are 2 bids for KohaCon19 with bidding now officially closed: Dublin and Stockholm 20:29:36 so we will have a vote! 20:29:55 is someone willing to organize? I think the last ones were done by drojf, who is not here tonight 20:30:23 how does it work? 20:30:34 i thin the last were done using limesurvey or similar 20:30:51 it's supposed to be an online form that people can fill out 20:31:15 Ok, I guess it's not that complicated, I could try to organize the vote 20:31:22 We should not actually vote until late September to avoid missing too many people on holiday. 20:31:28 Do we have a start/end date to the vote? 20:31:32 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons 20:31:36 well yes it is, I think we had issue last time with people voting several times 20:31:39 ah thx perfect davidnind 20:31:42 was just looking for that page 20:31:44 davidnind++ 20:31:45 so it should be hosted to remove duplicates 20:32:04 cool thanks davidnind1 20:33:23 apparently we did not host it last time, there is "How to minimise potential issues: " section 20:33:31 #action caroline to organize the vote 20:33:41 As there are only two options we do not have to worry about the complexities of the methodology for counting ranked votes. 20:34:05 yeah probably have it that you can only choose one 20:34:26 choose your preferrd 20:34:47 * caroline adds organize voting on her todo 20:34:58 as both locations are in europe, they are kind of close :) 20:35:14 when should the vote finish? 20:35:29 Sept 30th? 20:35:32 A sophisticated survey might try to catch some null option where people are voting without a real preference but we should avoid the complexity required to account for such voting. 20:35:57 both proposals are between may and june 20:36:05 Two great looking options, thanks to the bidders for putting in the time and effort! 20:36:18 stockholm++ dublin++ :) 20:36:22 And taking on the challenge! 20:36:31 september 30th sounds good to me 20:36:36 caroline: you think it's ok? 20:36:50 we should have a few weeks for voting to catch the people on vacation 20:37:04 Well, I'm going to need a bit of time to get to know limesurvey and have it installed here 20:37:05 How the choices should be ordered should be considered. There is probably some advantage to whomever appears first on the ballot. 20:37:25 with 2 options? 20:37:37 i think we should not overcomplicate 20:37:37 I'm going to give it a month and a half after it's up 20:37:42 is that ok? 20:37:54 Even with 2 options the first option probably has some advantage. 20:37:56 fine by me, i think 4 weeks would be good too 20:38:19 thd: do you always vote for the first option? 20:38:24 Limesurvey allows you to randomize question order 20:38:25 ... that actually goes to the point of some people not having a strong prefernce. 20:38:31 ok so between 4-6 weeks 20:38:47 randomize the questions and ask for name, email, institution 20:38:53 bag: No, I always vote for the least popular option ;) 20:38:54 georgew++ 20:39:06 georgew: thx :) 20:39:25 anything else I'm missing? 20:39:26 does that also cover the otpions in the questions? 20:39:36 Yes, I believe it does 20:39:39 cool 20:39:51 caroline++ 20:40:10 if there is nothing else, i am moving toward ending the meeting 20:40:23 when shall we meet next? 20:40:35 august 5? 20:41:02 13 utc? 20:41:12 Randomised question order could help if limesurvey can do that. 20:41:41 Date and time ok to me! 20:42:00 Aug? 20:42:14 or Sep.? 20:42:17 sorry september 20:42:20 first wednesday 20:43:08 joubu can you help me out with the formatting? 20:43:20 #info Next meeting: 5 September 2018, 13 UTC 20:43:23 that? 20:43:23 that is still relevant 20:43:25 thx 20:43:32 #endmeeting