13:13:24 #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 6 June 2019 13:13:24 Meeting started Thu Jun 6 13:13:24 2019 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:13:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:13:24 The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_6_june_2019' 13:13:24 for what it is worth 13:13:38 #topic Introductions 13:13:58 #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 13:14:13 #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe 13:14:29 #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe 13:14:32 #info Andy Boze, University of Notre Dame, USA 13:14:43 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 13:16:43 Hi everyone, thanks for coming along, and apologies for the late start! 13:16:47 #topic Action points 13:17:11 #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_6_June_2019 13:18:26 No progress to report on my actions points, so I think I will skip over these 13:19:29 #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 13:19:35 Hi sorry I'm late! 13:19:42 Will try and get on top of these in the next few days, particularly the list of suggested tasks to work on (from easy to hard) 13:19:54 hi caroline_catlady! 13:20:24 no worries, we started a but late because of "technical difficulties" on my end! 13:20:47 #topic What's been done so far 13:21:36 I've added a quick update on the agenda, but to summarise... 13:22:15 there was kohacon... 13:22:44 I've not done much, apart from some minor updates 13:23:15 Before KohaCon, I updated taiga with the release notes 13:24:06 caroline_catalady++ 13:24:50 it is a bit of a mission trying to keep all the things pushed updated on taiga! 13:24:51 yeah ,that's about all I did for the whole cycle, so no ++ for me 13:25:00 ashimema added a section to the intro on contributing to Koha 13:25:18 :) 13:25:20 every little but helps, and everyone has been busy I think 13:25:35 Thanks for adding me to the Taiga team btw. I've not had chance to do any updates though 13:26:25 sorry that took so long, AndyBoze is added now as well 13:26:51 davidnind: did I make you admin on taiga? 13:26:52 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 13:27:00 I've been trying to get prepared for working on documentation, so I'd love to tackle some of the easier things to get started. 13:27:15 Also, did you get merging rights on gitlab? 13:27:22 caroline_catalady: yes you did! 13:27:28 and davidnind did a great presentation and capitalization updates 13:27:45 yes awesome presentation! davidnind++ 13:28:17 caroline_catlady: not yet I think for merging rights (although I haven't tried!) 13:28:28 ok, let me check right now 13:29:11 thanks, not the greatest at presentations... 13:29:45 it didn't show, it was great 13:30:21 also did a "workshop" at kohacon, which was more of a presentation on adding text for the release notes in bugzilla and the easy way to edit the manual on GitLab 13:30:30 :-D 13:30:34 davidnind++ 13:30:37 we shoudl probably #info more 13:30:41 If it doesn't look to others like you're bad at presentations it means you're good at presentations 13:31:00 #info Kohacon had a documentation presentation and a workshop, thelatter focusing on release notes in bugzilla and editing with gitlab 13:31:21 thanks cait, I forget to do those! 13:31:26 #info davidnind to get merging rights on gitlab 13:31:37 who do go to for taiga access? 13:31:40 just for the info 13:31:44 i got it :) 13:31:46 * ashimema apologises the 'workshops' didn't go as to plan as I'd hoped.. I wanted to try and make them more interactive but on the day the facilities didn't really lend themselve to it. 13:32:21 for taiga, I guess any team manager present or past 13:32:25 :) 13:32:35 so lee, me or david 13:32:42 it still worked out okay in the end with the workshops 13:32:49 #info If you need to get access to taige, ask caroline_catlady, davidnind or Lee 13:33:17 shoudl we got ot the action points? 13:33:28 there was a lot of interest in getting started with editing the manual 13:34:09 cait: I skipped over those as I haven't made much progress on those... 13:34:23 ah ok 13:34:29 i got a question :) 13:34:31 after talking with severine and lucyvh, I think we should do a "git for librarians" section 13:34:38 do we refrain from updating screenshots until we have figured out automation? 13:34:56 to explain the process because for most of us, git isn't a part of our day to day and may be hard to get a hold of 13:35:26 (on the wiki I mean, not in the manual) 13:35:39 would you be able to write it? 13:35:42 not sure what is needed 13:35:48 cait: unless we need a new one right? 13:35:53 (screeshots) 13:36:02 * ashimema is happy to help but would need guidance as to what sort of thing you needed 13:36:09 i was not sure about the guideline (screenshots) - my coworker was filing bugs for outdated ones 13:36:14 so we got stuck ont he question how to fix them 13:36:26 agree, we also talked about having a visual guide or diagram of the git workflow 13:36:29 what sorts of tasks you're wanting to carry out and then I can advice on how best to approach them 13:37:15 for screenshots, I think just manually updating them at the moment until I get the automated part sorted out 13:38:23 re: git: this is a course I followed when I first started here, and it clears it up a lot (though I still need my git sensei at work) https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/code-school-git-real 13:38:27 #info manually updating screenshots is ok, until automation is sorted out 13:38:36 #action create a section on git for beginners for editing manual, aimed at those who aren't familiar with git 13:38:48 i think codeacademy has a free git tutorial as well 13:38:51 #link https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/code-school-git-real 13:39:09 this is the one, codecademy ws merged with pluralsight 13:39:53 oh! 13:40:19 oh no nevermind, its codeschool that was merged 13:40:28 #link https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-git 13:41:10 I like this one too http://ohshitgit.com/ 13:41:37 #link http://ohshitgit.com/ 13:41:51 I guess pulling together some of the useful guides for beginners would be useful as well 13:42:28 luncyvh and AndyBoze: is git something you are familiar with? 13:43:03 No, I'd never used it until I started doing the manual 13:43:13 I've only had a little experience with git, and nothing too recent. 13:44:05 I think those links will be really useful - particularly the last one! 13:44:11 there's this, but it seems really detailed https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 13:44:18 perfect for providing feedback on anything we come up with, or on Editing the Koha Manual page! 13:46:37 just to finish ff the agenda item, rangi has made some changes on gitlab so that if you fork the repository you don't get continuous integration errors when you make a change 13:46:48 ff s/be off! 13:46:49 yay! 13:47:05 #info gitlab configuration has been fixed so forking doesn't give you CI errors 13:47:16 is that the pipeline fials? 13:47:20 yep 13:47:25 woohoo! 13:47:31 rangi++ 13:48:02 I just did something yesterday to test it out, and I didn't get any of the errors 13:48:56 I guess to summarise we need to make it as easy as possible for people to get up to speed (in a gentle way) using git and the workflow 13:50:26 and I need to put together a list of tasks from easy to harder that people to get started on 13:51:14 #action davidnind to put together a list of documentation tasks from easy to harder to help those getting started 13:51:42 any other thoughts before we move onto the next agenda item? 13:52:26 #topic Workflow 13:52:52 I think we've covered this, unless anyone has anything to add or any more ideas? 13:53:52 #topic Next steps 13:54:08 I think I 13:54:38 I think I'll skip over translation - I haven't got my head around how this works... 13:54:43 yet... 13:55:59 we are actively wrking on the German tarnslation for 18.11 currently 13:56:22 excellent! 13:56:22 darn tootin' it is. 13:57:09 do you feedback into the english version where you find it difficult to translate the text? 13:57:20 I know the fr-FR team is working on the french version a lot... not so much for fr-CA 13:58:05 #info active work being done on German and fr-FR translations 13:58:07 I instructed the fr-FR team to open bugs on bugzilla if they found typos or things that needed work 13:59:57 that's great, english-only speakers can get lazy when we write! 14:00:56 #info raise bugs on bugzilla for any text that is difficult to translate or where there are typos 14:00:59 that's fine, everyone makes typos. It's just that when we translate, it's one sentence at a time, so it's obvious 14:01:19 davidnind: mostly my coworker doing translation right now, he filed bugs for screenshots at least 14:01:57 yeah, true for the typos 14:02:54 great, I'll make sure I pick those up, add to taiga, and be a bit more responsive 14:03:25 For the 19.05 release I'm conscious of trying to get the new features such as mana and the changes to system preference incorporated 14:04:10 There should be tasks in taiga (thanks caroline_catlady!) for all of these 14:04:32 So if you are looking for something to do, this may be a good place to start 14:04:51 * ashimema is going to slowly ramp up the requirement for original bug submitter to at least submit a first cut manual entry 14:05:35 ashimema is getting his whip ready lol 14:06:01 ashimema: that would be great, even if it is a text file or something attached to the bug would provide a great starting point 14:06:21 has anyone got any ideas on specific priorities, or things they want covered first? 14:06:47 Sorry, I have to drop out of the meeting for school run - bye for now 14:06:59 thanks lucyvh! 14:07:30 apologies for going over, I'm conscious hat you are all working at the moment I think! 14:07:47 maybe sysprefs, notices 14:07:54 those are quick and i think might be often looked up 14:08:36 #info things to work on for 19.05 release - system preference changes and notices 14:09:11 #info other things to work on are the new features 14:10:06 is everyone able to hang in there for a few minutes to do the koha-docs mailing list or would you prefer just to set the time for the next meeting? 14:10:27 I'm around anyway 14:10:33 * ashimema is still listening 14:10:45 thanks! 14:10:49 #topic Other items 14:10:51 I can stay. 14:12:01 I sent a message to the mailing list about making the archive open https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/koha-docs/2019-June/thread.html 14:12:37 the feedback was all in agreement (thanks for those that provided it!) 14:13:07 does anyone have anything they would like to add, or should we just vote on it? 14:13:35 (have always wanted to runga vote thingy!) 14:13:44 if it is something we need to vote on... 14:13:49 if everyone is in agreement, I would say go ahead, but we can vote too 14:14:51 I'll start a vote... 14:14:53 #startvote Do you agree to making the koha-docs mailing list archive open? Yes, No, Abstain 14:14:53 Begin voting on: Do you agree to making the koha-docs mailing list archive open? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 14:14:53 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:15:04 #vote Yes 14:15:21 #vote Yes 14:15:25 #vote Yes 14:15:42 #vote Yes 14:16:45 #endvote 14:16:45 Voted on "Do you agree to making the koha-docs mailing list archive open?" Results are 14:16:45 Yes (4): ashimema, davidnind, caroline_catlady, AndyBoze 14:17:10 does anyone else have a security warning when going to that page? 14:17:21 #agreed The koha-docs mailing list archive will be made open 14:17:45 caroline_catlady: Yes. Self-issued SSL certificate. 14:18:02 ok, glad to know it's not just me :) 14:18:07 Self-issued by Biblibre, so it's just a technicality. But unfortunate. 14:18:23 I'd already sent an email to paul 14:18:39 but that was weeks ago, I was wondering if they were able to reproduce 14:19:05 I didn't notice as I added an exception probably ages ago... 14:20:51 maybe add on bugzilla under the infrastructure area 14:21:19 oh oops sorry, yes from me too! 14:21:25 for the archive 14:21:35 thanks cait! 14:22:21 #action mailing list website security certificate causes browser errors, raise an issue on bugzilla 14:22:31 #topic Set time for next meeting 14:23:19 The general IRC meeting is a week later because of US holidays, should we do the same? 14:23:40 that would make it 11 July 2019 14:23:54 any is everyone happy with this time? 14:24:16 It's good for me. 14:24:22 I am away training that week, but feel free to hold it sans moi 14:25:30 happy to keep to the normal time which would be 4 July 14:26:01 4 July works for me, too. 14:26:08 we have no more public holidays until October in NZ :-( 14:26:28 thanks AndyBoze! 14:26:50 #info Next meeting 4 July 2019 13:00 UTC 14:26:57 #endmeeting