20:01:13 #startmeeting General IRC meeting 13 November 2019 20:01:14 Meeting started Wed Nov 13 20:01:13 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:01:14 The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_13_november_2019' 20:01:28 #topic Introductions 20:01:33 #info Please introduce yourselves using "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes 20:01:37 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 20:01:44 #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe, UK 20:01:47 #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montréal, Canada 20:01:54 #chair rangi 20:01:54 Current chairs: ashimema rangi 20:01:56 #chair cait 20:01:56 Warning: Nick not in channel: cait 20:01:56 Current chairs: ashimema cait rangi 20:01:57 #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District, USA 20:02:02 #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library, Sweden 20:02:14 #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, FR 20:02:38 #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 20:02:42 [off] "Nick not in channel?" kidclamp is right there 20:02:44 #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:03:53 #info Katrin Fischer, Germany 20:04:09 hmm.. feels a little thin on the ground.. 20:04:09 we'll wait a few more mins 20:04:32 #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 20:04:46 thin? this is a crowd! 20:05:04 #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 20:05:05 =) 20:05:07 (sorry, I'm used to mdocs meetings with like 3 ppl) 20:05:08 !bang 20:05:08 There is no hunt right now! You can start a hunt with the 'start' command 20:05:14 my first koha general meeting :) 20:05:14 haha 20:05:15 #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, New Zealand 20:05:24 #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 20:05:40 nice entrance there bag 20:05:45 :P 20:05:56 :) 20:05:58 :) 20:06:04 Right.. few more of us here nw :) 20:06:18 #topic Announcements 20:07:09 #info We are entering string freeze for the 19.11 release as of the end of this meeting. Go forth and translate :) 20:07:25 [off] it felt like bag just entered the tavern in the far west 20:07:41 Bernardo has already created the new branch on translate.koha-community.org for me and uploaded the strings. 20:07:44 [off] lol tcohen! Exactly! 20:08:10 Did I spot rangi a second ago..? 20:08:15 not on translate yet, but that might take a bit longer 20:08:51 #info Kohacon20 - Submissions for talks close on 1 December https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/talksubmission/ 20:09:03 I see them on translate cait? 20:09:07 only have like 6 changes for German, that seems unrealistic :) 20:09:14 though listed at the bottom instead of the top for some reason. 20:09:36 https://translate.koha-community.org/de/19.11/ - it probably just takes a little while longer 20:09:40 yeah, mine is 100% done... ?? 20:09:48 ah.. perhaps not fully there yet then.. I'll catch him after the meeting. 20:10:00 caroline_crazycatlady: would be nice, eh? :) 20:10:15 thinks davidnind.. any other kohacon20 updates? 20:10:16 lol! I feel underwhelmed! 20:10:37 rangi: KohaCon20? :) 20:10:51 i have kohacon updates! 20:10:53 #info The third Pakisatan Kohacon is 16-18 April 2020 in Lahore, Pakistan http://2020.kohapakistan.org/ 20:11:12 so as davidnind already noted, talk submissions close on 1 december so get them in! 20:11:22 ooh.. fire away :) 20:11:44 #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, New Zealand 20:12:06 also we'll be updating on sponsorship soon but we have started having some conversations already. at this point we are accepting cash sponsorship as well as acknowledging organisations that sponsor their people to attend in work time 20:12:58 ptfs-e have asked for internal submissions by the end of this week.. just trying to work out who to send etc then we'll submit up to you guys shortly. 20:13:09 sounds great 20:14:00 those are the key updates for now, any other news will be posted to the list :) 20:14:26 #info KohaCon20 Sponsorship conversations are underway. Cash donations are welcome but organisations sending deligate will also be acknowledged :) 20:14:39 great, thanks.. 20:14:47 any other announcements? 20:14:50 #info Nice write-up of the Maldives Library Association and National Library Koha training https://infomalias.wordpress.com/2019/11/12/completed-a-successful-koha-training/ 20:15:03 moving on then 20:15:11 Koha is everywhere :) 20:15:11 #topic Update on releases 20:16:08 #info 19.11 has progressed nicely the last few weeks, thanks to all for their hard work.. We're entering string freeze as of the end of this meeting. 20:17:25 #info 19.05 et al missed their release window in October due to too many other commitments so the November release will be a bumper one. 20:18:30 ok.. don't think any of the rmaints are present so I can't think of any other updates to give there.. 20:18:31 onto the next topic we march 20:18:41 #topic Election of 20.05 release team 20:19:08 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.05 20.05 Roles 20:19:51 uh oh... short on release maintainers? 20:19:55 yep 20:20:03 I'm willing to let davidnind continue as manager 20:20:03 We are still missing a couple of key positions I'm afraid.. I've been trying to temp various people but haven't suceeded yet. 20:20:08 docs manager that is 20:20:12 but i think we should still have the vote and then add them later? 20:20:29 Names, RMaint's for 19.11 and 18.11 20:20:52 caroline_crazycatlady: Will try and do a bit better this time:-D 20:21:03 someone from catalyst will do 18.11 20:21:12 we'll work out who later 20:21:14 davidnind: do you want to continue? I was thinking of you as a strategy manager and I could be operations manager? 20:21:15 catalyst+++ 20:21:30 catalyst++ 20:21:47 caroline_crazycatlady: sounds like a plan 20:21:52 sounds like a great idea to me caroline_crazycatlady 20:21:54 catalyst++ 20:22:04 share the role, share the load :) 20:22:42 ok, so missing the 19.11 rmaint now, right? 20:23:00 correct cait 20:23:27 thd, are you not standing for wiki curator? 20:23:30 davidnind: ok, I'll do the nitty gritty (taiga, gitlab) and you can do the broader stuff which you started to do brilliantly 20:23:33 be nice to get that migration completed ;) 20:24:01 Yes, I would have added my name but I wanted to finish the migration first. 20:24:06 (love the docs plan) 20:24:18 caroline_crazycatlady++ 20:24:26 caroline_crazycatlady++ davidnind++ 20:24:41 ++ 20:24:42 I am about to have a working migration script. 20:24:51 thd++ 20:25:15 It already works but just missing some pieces. 20:25:23 Does anyone have any thoughts on a stable rmaint? 20:26:48 cait 20:26:49 :-P 20:26:53 tcohen 20:27:03 and if you want me to do less QA... 20:27:13 but i will do it if we can't come up with another solution 20:27:36 I added my name. 20:27:39 but the 19.11 is the most busy, so it takes a lot of time 20:27:43 biblibre felt they didn't have anyone with the expertise to step into any rmaint roles.. Frido needs a well deserved break from it 20:27:49 cait++ 20:27:55 thanks thd 20:29:27 if no one else does, I can help cait with 19.11 (she is vitally important to QA, so I wouldn't want to take away from that, so would prefer if someone else did it) 20:29:28 if it comes to it I could share some of the rmaint load.. but it feels like we're really starting to pull on the same small group of people for everything.. 20:29:37 snap ashimema :) 20:29:46 development will suffer if we're pulling resources out of SO and QA pools. 20:29:59 ++ 20:30:03 how about 20:30:11 i volunteer as mentor 20:30:17 for 19.11 20:30:36 so that someone who wants to try can, with the knowledge they can lean on me 20:30:44 Yippee, build fixed! 20:30:44 Congratulations! 20:30:44 That's a great offer! 20:30:45 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #475: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/475/ 20:31:07 is the 19.11 Rmaint the only empty position? 20:31:11 yep 20:32:21 sowe could rangi's offer... we have a backup plan 20:32:25 and see if someone steps up? 20:32:46 ok, that English didn't work so well 20:32:53 well. given we don't use 19.11 @biblibre I don't think anyone will fit the position. would have more sense than someone from biblibre work a bit on 18.11. I proposed Paul to do it but being junior he thought it would have been early 20:33:00 that would be fantastic rangi... I was thinking simlar thoughts.. happy to mentor but also know the level of commitment I already have as rm 20:33:28 I tink the important bit is to dedicate time regularly 20:34:08 it's not super hard once you have set everything up 20:34:22 agreed.. they're important roles, but it's as much about process as anything.. the technicalityof it isn't that challenging (and you can always push back on devs for help for the technical bits) 20:34:43 if something didn't apply, I pushed it back to devs for rebase 20:34:47 that usually worked quite well 20:35:05 but you should do a fair bit of testing especially if there have been conflicts 20:35:14 I'm happy to mentor too.. that way we'd have pretty much all timezones covered.. rangi and I being on oposite side of the globe and all. 20:35:21 sounds good 20:36:22 I can help too betwen your timezones 20:37:00 'kay. got to talk to paul_p about it, i would happily apply but guess I shouldn't do it without his approval? :) 20:37:23 Shall we vote on what we've got and I'll keep hunting for a name to put on that role in the lead up to this release. 20:37:37 liliputech_asu: If we all vote for you he'll have no choice! 20:37:47 hah! ^^ 20:37:58 hahaha 20:38:04 I already have most of the technical stuff installed by the way :) 20:38:31 liliputech_asu++ 20:38:34 brill.. I feel a little more confident now :) 20:39:04 oleonard = evil genius ;) 20:39:12 OK.. so.. 20:39:45 Shall we vote on the page is it now stands.. or does anyone have any specifics they'd like to query first? 20:40:07 shall we vote in liliputech_asu ? :) he could still step back :P 20:40:33 rangi: if I'm going to apply to an RMaint role, i think it makes more sense that I apply for 18.11 rmaint since that's the release we currently support for our client 20:41:09 Is it the same for you rangi? 20:41:24 but if it's non relevant then I may fit in 19.11 then 20:41:57 I need to leave, count me as a positive vote please :-D 20:42:37 you can flip it around if you want, put catalyst in 19.11, and you in 18.11 liliputech_asu 20:42:41 thanks tcohen for sticking around.. I realise it was home time for you a little while ago 20:42:44 we'll sort it out 20:43:35 lets vote on the rest and we can shuffle the rmaint around a bit as we finalise the details 20:43:45 m'kay 20:43:55 ok.. just phrasing the vote 20:44:25 #startvote Do we agree to the release team as proposed on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.05 with the exception that the 19.11 release maintainer is still to be found? yes,no,obstain 20:44:25 Begin voting on: Do we agree to the release team as proposed on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.05 with the exception that the 19.11 release maintainer is still to be found? Valid vote options are yes, no, obstain. 20:44:25 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:44:39 #vote yes 20:44:45 #vote yes 20:44:47 #vote yes 20:44:51 #vote yes 20:44:54 #vote yes 20:44:55 #vote yes 20:44:58 #vote yes 20:44:58 #vote yes 20:44:58 #vote yes 20:45:05 #vote yes 20:45:15 #vote yes 20:45:25 #vote yes 20:45:30 #vote yes 20:46:04 * ashimema watches all the people come out of the woodwork to vote and then dissapear again 20:46:08 :) 20:46:14 (just realizing than much API stuff I've been looking around for couple months is on 19.11... :) 20:46:19 civic duties... right? 20:46:34 cait++ 20:46:45 3 20:46:50 2 20:46:54 1 20:46:57 #endvote 20:46:57 Voted on "Do we agree to the release team as proposed on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.05 with the exception that the 19.11 release maintainer is still to be found?" Results are 20:46:57 yes (13): davidnind, liliputech_asu, lisettelatah, andreashm, ashimema, bag, cait, rangi, caroline_crazycatlady, oleonard, thd, aleisha, donna 20:47:15 Thankyou everyone 20:47:23 onto our last topic.. 20:48:06 #topic Set date and time for next meeting 20:48:39 ah THAT topic :) 20:48:54 11th December sounds reasonable for people? 20:49:07 yep 20:49:11 great :) 20:49:14 good 20:49:25 +1 20:49:36 I may be flying to California that day but +1. 20:50:01 shall we stick to the 'flip/flop' time arrangment and go with the earlier slot.. 20:50:33 which is the earlier slot? 20:50:43 or, rangi, are you guys going to be starting to ramp up kohacon20 thought and as such shall we do a later one again? 20:50:59 save that for january 20:51:10 early one sounds good. =) 20:51:14 erm.. 1pm UTC I believe at this time of year 20:51:22 any would do for me =) 20:51:30 brill 20:51:44 *thumbsup* 20:51:47 so.. for clarity thats 20:52:09 can you do 14utc? 20:52:15 11 December 2019, 13 UTC 20:52:36 14 works for me still 20:52:50 Still works for me as well 20:53:45 ok.. 14 it is then 20:53:51 thank you! 20:54:07 #info Next meeting: 11 December 2019, 14 UTC 20:54:18 thankyou everyone for attending :) 20:54:24 #endmeeting