14:00:05 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 12 August 2020 14:00:05 Meeting started Wed Aug 12 14:00:05 2020 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_12_august_2020' 14:00:10 #topic Introductions 14:00:15 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_12_August_2020 14:00:20 #info Jonathan Druart 14:00:24 #info Marcel de Rooy 14:00:53 #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 14:01:00 hi marcelr, good to see you around :) 14:01:04 :) 14:01:25 rmaints? 14:01:25 lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!! 14:01:26 qa_team? 14:01:27 qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts 14:01:55 #info Nick Clemens 14:01:55 i guess #info Nick Clemens is working on testing the circulations rules rewrite 14:02:10 #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:02:27 #topic Announcements 14:02:31 Anyone have something? 14:02:47 It's too hot ;) 14:02:52 SMTP is ready for testing 14:03:09 bug number and link tcohen ;) 14:03:20 bug 22343 14:03:20 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22343 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add SMTP configuration options to Administration 14:03:22 smtp is around for a while now :) 14:03:26 # info bug 22343 is ready for testing (SMTP config) 14:03:52 anything else? 14:03:52 i guess anything else is necessarily going to be incremental. 14:04:13 hey oleonard! 14:04:13 oleonard is, like, happy for ashimema to write the release script 14:04:26 #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Library, Ohio, USA 14:04:29 oleonard: do you have something to announce? 14:04:57 any feedback on bug 24544 14:04:57 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, In Discussion , Add a script for inserting persistent identifiers to MARC records 14:05:14 I would like to announce that I'm still looking for testers of Bug 20168 :) 14:05:14 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 14:05:54 yes oleonard, that's a good one. I will get back to it 14:06:23 #info Marcel sent an email about 24544 on the dev ML - more feedback welcome! 14:06:35 generally it looked good oleonard.. I just didn't like the increase in default whitespace myself.. but that's likely a personal thing 14:06:55 #info Update from the Release manager (20.11) 14:07:06 Everything goes well, but I'd like to see more big things tested 14:07:27 we really need to focus *now* on those, to have them into master in the last couple of weeks 14:07:31 max 1 month! 14:07:51 you will make the RM happy if you track the RM priority list: https://frama.link/koha_bz_RM_priority 14:07:51 and discourage things too big 14:08:06 The main 3 things in the queue right now, that I really want for 20.11 are: 14:08:24 bug 20168 14:08:32 bug 22417 14:08:32 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add a task queue 14:08:50 and, ofc bug 20271 14:08:50 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables 14:09:12 #info Focus must be on bug 20168, bug 22417 and bug 20271 for the next couple of weeks 14:09:30 #info Bookmark https://frama.link/koha_bz_RM_priority 14:09:31 +1 14:09:55 any questions about those 3? 14:10:14 any remarks, doubts? 14:10:20 they need to be pushed ASAP :-D 14:10:21 fears? 14:10:39 20271 will have bugs.. 14:10:48 so push fast 14:10:50 yes 14:10:55 tcohen: Some of them need patches ASAP then... 14:11:01 I didn't find bugs in it 14:11:11 when pushed we will :) 14:11:12 yes did not, but there will be 14:11:15 but yeah, statistically 14:11:35 Tomas and I have given 20271 a fairly solid set of testing.. I think really we now need to push it to 'force' wider testing by devs in daily use 14:11:38 so, actions maybe? 14:11:52 volunteers? 14:12:05 I have a few area's I'd like to play with in it.. like how quickly could we end up filling the table when using staged imports + rollbacks 14:12:15 if two qaers had a look, just push now ? 14:12:32 one more is always good 14:12:47 I think we should stick to the current table names.. drop the views and work on a basic report migration + alert displayed in the reports area to get people updating their reports 14:12:50 and I'd like to avoid bypass the QA step for such big changes 14:13:25 I was hopeing cait would look at the import/rollback/matching stuff as they use it allot for their union cat 14:14:42 "stick to the current tables", it's what we did, right? 14:14:51 about the report warnings there is bug 25921 14:14:51 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Merge biblio* and items table - Update reports 14:14:54 happy to collect ideas there 14:15:07 great Joubu :) 14:15:40 ok moving on if we don't get volunteering 14:15:44 what about bug 25260? 14:15:44 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add a new 'holds' table 14:15:44 #info Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:15:57 its similar-ish 14:16:05 I didn't find anything broken when working through the OPAC for bug 20168.. perhaps I should just set my SO on it at this point.. encourage the next step people 14:16:05 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 14:16:25 yes ashimema! 14:16:25 it has been said that ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;) 14:16:38 tcohen holds versus reserves ? 14:16:39 #action ashimema is going to add his stamp on 20168 14:17:17 with amoyano we decided to try introducing a new table, for the same merge process 14:17:35 ok it is a merge (title does not say that) 14:18:07 yes it's the same idea as 20271 but for the *reserves tables 14:19:00 no rmaints around, moving on 14:19:17 #topic Updates from the QA team 14:19:39 come back cait 14:20:01 NQA queue is quite ok with 78 bug reports (27 bugs) 14:20:02 The queue is fairly high.. 78 NQA 14:20:05 lol 14:20:16 <100 14:20:23 different point of views :) 14:20:27 less then 100 is good 14:20:36 but I'd love to see us at 50 ;) 14:20:36 less than 50 is better ;) 14:21:10 a fair number fof 'Majors' in the pipe 14:21:28 yes, good point 14:21:45 5 majors waiting qa, 13 majors waiting for SO.. and loads without patches :( 14:22:04 #info There is a bunch a major waiting for SO or QA, would be good to prioritize them 14:22:11 If I can find a moment I will try to work through some of the ones missing patches 14:22:31 I did a bit the last 2 weeks, but some are very hard 14:22:39 or not that hard, but cannot be done easily 14:22:42 yeah.. 14:22:43 agreed.. some are evil 14:23:05 #topic Actions from last meeting 14:23:17 #topic ashimema will get back to qa bug 15522 14:23:17 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New interface for revamped circulation rules 14:23:30 do you want to update that ashimema? 14:24:28 #info I've left a note on the bug.. I'm generally happy with the way it all works from an end user perspective.. We had the PTFS-E educators have a chat with the ByWater educators to work through it.. they're all happy. 14:25:11 #info My next move is to start digging into the code.. I'd love to see a vue alternative submitted somewhere so we could do a comparison for code clarity between the two frameworks... 14:25:44 #info This bug shouldn't be blocked by a lack of decision on framework.. but also feels like if it gets pushed as is, it makes the implicit decision for us. 14:25:46 ashimema: I don't find your note 14:25:51 which comment? 14:26:15 144 14:26:24 I confirm the branch works 14:26:25 ok 14:26:28 "Written feedback here to follow." 14:26:30 :) 14:26:34 and confirm that we've been testing it rigorously.. 14:26:58 the guys here are writing up their notes.. but the general consensus was it's a big improvement. 14:27:17 tl:dr; still pushing hard on this one 14:27:28 do you think you will have time to review the code soon? 14:27:54 I hope I'll have some early next week 14:28:24 #action ashimema is collecting notes about bug 15522 and is going to review and dig a bit more into the code 14:28:24 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New interface for revamped circulation rules 14:28:25 though I have little experience with react.. I'm not sure we have anyone well placed to review that side :( 14:28:48 #topic ashimema to propose a guideline ragarding using direction object notation rather than indirect object notation (postponed) 14:28:55 did you write that guideline? 14:29:03 Totally forgot about that one :( 14:29:12 #action ashimema to propose a guideline ragarding using direction object notation rather than indirect object notation (postponed) 14:29:12 "postponed" 14:29:21 #topic tuxayo integrate the RMaint-handover-draft into the "release maintenance" wiki page 14:29:23 thats what it is 14:30:08 not done 14:30:15 #action tuxayo integrate the RMaint-handover-draft into the "release maintenance" wiki page (postponed) 14:30:34 #topic davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth): update - still working on this 14:30:43 certainly too late for Dvic 14:30:46 oops David 14:31:00 #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth): update - still working on this (postponed) 14:31:11 #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:31:24 Something not on the agenda you would like to discuss? 14:32:19 3, 2, 1? 14:32:20 #topic Set time of next meeting 14:33:14 #info Next meeting: 26 August 2020, 14 UTC 14:33:47 we did not get much attender in the last 19 UTC 14:34:07 so no sure if we should stick to 19 or 20 or 21? 14:35:10 #info If you prefer another hour of the meeting, like 19, 20, 21, please contact Joubu on IRC and we will modify it 14:35:16 #endmeeting