15:01:29 <tuxayo> #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 8 February 2023 15:01:29 <huginn> Meeting started Wed Feb 8 15:01:29 2023 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:29 <huginn> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:29 <huginn> The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_8_february_2023' 15:01:47 <tuxayo> #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_8_February_2023 Today's agenda 15:01:52 <tuxayo> #topic Introductions 15:02:08 <tuxayo> rmaints? 15:02:08 <wahanui> it has been said that rmaints is liliputech, wainui, lukeg and ashimema 15:02:11 <oleonard> #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 15:02:17 <tuxayo> qa_team? 15:02:17 <wahanui> qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook 15:02:19 <tcohen> #info Tomas Cohen Arazi 15:02:39 <AgustinMoyano[m]> #info Agustin Moyano 15:02:47 <Joubu> #info Jonathan Druart 15:02:48 <khall_> #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 15:02:49 <paulderscheid[m]> #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Germany 15:02:57 <ashimema> #info Martin Renoize, PTFS Europe, UK 15:03:17 * ashimema will need to duck out at some point for school runs etc.. and is a bit distracted with another ongoing meeting 15:03:20 <lauraesca[m]> #info Laura Escamilla, ByWater Solutions 15:03:32 <thd> #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:03:38 <cait> #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 15:03:43 <tuxayo> #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Antartica, France 15:04:05 <emlam> #info Emily Lamancusa, MCPL, USA 15:06:22 <tuxayo> #topic Announcements 15:06:22 <tuxayo> Anything to announce that doesn't fit better the other topics? 15:07:52 <tuxayo> #topic Update from the Release manager (22.11) 15:07:59 <tuxayo> tcohen: 🎙️ 15:08:32 <cait> over 50 registrations for hackfest in Marseille .) 15:09:25 <Joubu> Can we make this meeting a bit more... dynamic? 15:09:27 <tcohen> Not many updates 15:09:31 <Joubu> so we don't spend 2h :) 15:09:40 <tcohen> sorry, I was answering something personal 15:09:41 <thd> :) 15:09:52 <tuxayo> #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 15:09:52 <tuxayo> rmaints? 15:09:53 <wahanui> rmaints is probably liliputech, wainui, lukeg and ashimema 15:09:53 <tcohen> Not many updated, worked on wiki update this morning 15:09:56 <cait> and I was in the wrong topic - too slow 15:10:02 <tcohen> and resumed pushing. 15:10:18 <tcohen> looking closely at the conversations about compiled assets in the source tree 15:10:20 <ashimema> Likewise, we're bashing through the queue 15:10:27 <tuxayo> oops, go on tcohen, rmaints can give info also 15:10:28 <tcohen> we are removing them soon, updates to come 15:10:40 <ashimema> nice to have tcohen back and pushing to master.. my team are getting into the groove now 15:10:53 <cait> tcohen++ koha++ :) 15:10:57 <ashimema> rmaint scripts are getting refined and improved with each new member on my team taking things on 15:11:14 <ashimema> tcohen++ for all his work dockerising the release-tools 15:11:20 <tuxayo> nice 15:11:30 <ashimema> awesome on the compiled assets front tcohen 15:11:36 <ashimema> I'm excited to get that one pushed 15:11:41 <cait> also tcohen++ for the ktd updates - with the last batch of changes I am much faster because not constantly struggling permission errors 15:12:15 <tcohen> help with the README is welcome 15:12:30 <tcohen> I'm training a junior dev 15:12:40 <tcohen> and the first portion he could follow 15:12:49 <emlam> I would love to help with the README if I can ask a million questions... 15:12:49 <tcohen> but things need a tidy 15:13:06 <tcohen> emlam: I love answering things 15:13:09 <tcohen> so, go ahead :-D 15:13:12 <emlam> I'm just getting the hang of using it so the perspective on what's helpful for a new user is fresh for me 15:13:17 <emlam> Awesome! :0 15:13:20 <emlam> :) 15:13:27 <cait> I think it's great - we need to take that feedback and make things better 15:14:45 <tuxayo> emlam: if you have ideas, find some stuff confusing or find issues, you can open a ticket here: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues 15:14:59 <tuxayo> anything else to add? 15:15:22 <tcohen> only 15:15:23 <emlam> got it - will do 15:15:38 <tcohen> that you all can contact me if you need to talk about your devs 15:15:45 * ashimema is cleaning up readme's for some of our other infrastructure 15:15:56 <ashimema> so I can look at ktd too 15:15:58 <tcohen> it is better to do it like that, specially if some dev is stuck and imporant for you 15:16:07 <ashimema> it's already on the list to slim it down a bit and clarify some points 15:16:30 <tcohen> ashimema: I'd like to have a separate 'advanced' file for tricks and stuff 15:16:42 <ashimema> yeah.. I was thinking along those line 15:16:48 <ashimema> or maybe even a gitlab wiki site 15:16:56 <ashimema> there's in the repo in another branch if I remember correctly 15:16:58 <tcohen> \o/ 15:18:02 <tuxayo> moving on? 15:18:17 <tcohen> yes please 15:18:21 <tuxayo> #topic Updates from the QA team 15:18:25 <tuxayo> qa_team? 15:18:25 <wahanui> qa_team is, like, cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook 15:19:23 <tuxayo> There was testing sessions spread over 3 days as part of the hackathon of KohaLa (french Koha users association). 15:19:24 <tuxayo> 3 attendants, 2 new people trained on patch testing. Results for attendants: 11 tickets out of the Needs Signoff queue: 5 signoffs and 6 failed QA. And 2 attempts with a comment let on the ticket to ask for more details about how to test. 15:20:13 <ashimema> tuxayo++ 15:21:10 <ashimema> really happy these sessions are happening.. and glad to hear they're slowly picking up attendance a bit 15:21:39 <cait> oh sorry 15:22:01 <cait> I am also happy to see some movement on the queue and hope we'll get below 100 soon 15:22:01 <wahanui> okay, cait. 15:22:03 <cait> and then even lower 15:22:22 <cait> the number of bad bugs is a little worrying, to we shoudl focus on those to get stable more stable 15:22:34 <cait> and then there are some bugs sitting since December I'd like to see moving 15:22:56 <cait> but overall, we seem to pick up speed, which is good and please continue :) 15:23:11 <tuxayo> ashimema: it being part of another even helps a lot to have people planning time for it. Otherwise it's tough to get people ^^ 15:23:42 <tuxayo> moving on? 15:23:53 * ashimema has been trying.. but you keep filing it back up again cait ;P 15:24:36 <tuxayo> #topic Status of roadmap projects 15:24:43 <cait> sorry, not sorry :) 15:25:07 <tuxayo> «ERM/Vue/Cypress » 15:25:11 <tuxayo> - Run yarn build commands after reset_all (waiting for approval) https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev/-/issues/60 15:25:14 <tuxayo> - Issue #60 - Run build_js if available otherwise build (waiting for approval) https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev/-/merge_requests/58 15:25:17 <tuxayo> - Issue #62 - Run cypress tests with --run-all-tests (waiting for approval) https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev/-/merge_requests/59 15:25:21 <tuxayo> - Bug 32609 - Remove compiled files from src (waiting for QA) 15:25:21 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32609 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Remove compiled files from src 15:25:24 <tuxayo> - Bug 32806 - Some Vue files need to be moved for better reusability (In discussion!) 15:25:24 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Some Vue files need to be moved for better reusability 15:25:28 <tuxayo> - Bug 32898 - Cypress tests are failing (Waiting for SO) 15:25:28 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32898 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Cypress tests are failing 15:25:45 <tuxayo> lots of stuff going on! :) 15:26:01 <Joubu> lot of help needed 15:26:03 <tuxayo> comments from people involved? 15:26:17 <Joubu> we need more help to make them move forward 15:26:34 <Joubu> it's all related to removing the compiled files, js and css 15:26:53 <Joubu> different layers need to be adjust to prevent crashes, so misc4dev and ktd, and finally koha 15:27:09 <Joubu> there 2 follow-ups to improve the current situation 32806 and 32898 15:27:27 <Joubu> and I forgot https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/311 15:27:37 <Joubu> we don't run cypress tests, and we missed regressions 15:27:58 <Joubu> there is code in all of that, all we need to testing 15:28:58 <Joubu> I will continue with the other topics, just raise hand if you have question 15:29:06 <Joubu> * git hooks 15:29:25 <Joubu> I sent an email to the list, we now have pre-commit hook that will installed automagically for ktd users 15:29:34 <Joubu> currently it's broken, so don't pull your ktd images! 15:29:40 <Joubu> but it will get fixed very soon 15:29:47 <Joubu> * ktd DB persistency (waiting for approval) 15:30:00 <Joubu> several people asked that, it will allow to keep the DB from one run to another 15:30:12 <cait> i like that 15:30:16 <Joubu> code is there, just need to be tested and merged 15:30:20 <cait> but haven# thad time to test 15:30:31 <Joubu> * CI/Jenkins 15:30:44 <Joubu> I sent an email to the QA team already, nothing new here 15:30:48 <Joubu> Clean of the job list (done) 15:31:00 <Joubu> it was messy, not it's a bit better. Less jobs, better coverage 15:31:01 <tcohen> about the git hooks, https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/pipelines/771428468 15:31:05 <Joubu> Test of Pipeline (https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/test_pipeline/) (to improve later) 15:31:11 <ashimema> I can work through testing that lot tomorrow.. 15:31:15 <ashimema> someone remind me 😜 15:31:32 <Joubu> I had a try at testing pipeline's jenkins. The idea is to not run all the jobs at first, but only if the big one succeeds 15:31:33 <tcohen> leaving to feed the little beasts, sorry 15:31:38 <Joubu> run_tests.pl (done, can be used from ktd!) 15:31:41 <Joubu> https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/320 https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev/-/issues/58 15:31:52 <tuxayo> Joubu++ 15:31:52 <Joubu> there is an awesome new script in ktd, run_tests.pl 15:32:03 <Joubu> use --help and it will tell you all what it can do 15:32:13 <Joubu> run_tests.pl --run-all-tests 15:32:22 <Joubu> and you will run all tests like you are jenkins 15:32:38 <Joubu> (this is pushed already, you can enjoy it now) 15:32:44 <Joubu> * RabbitMQ/worker (waiting for something) 15:32:53 <Joubu> several things pushed, but more are coming, and need help for those 15:32:59 <Joubu> Bug 32305 - Background worker doesn't check jobs receive from rabbitmq are in 'new' state 15:32:59 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32305 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Background worker doesn't check jobs receive from rabbitmq are in 'new' state 15:33:02 <Joubu> Bug 32395 - Why do we send jobs params to the broker 15:33:02 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Why do we send jobs params to the broker 15:33:04 <Joubu> Bug 32594 - Add a dedicated ES indexing background worker 15:33:05 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32594 critical, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Add a dedicated ES indexing background worker 15:33:22 <Joubu> The last one has code and need to be tested. I think it's a great improvement for production system 15:33:28 <Joubu> * Bugzilla 15:33:33 <Joubu> Bug 32614 - Highlight important comments 15:33:33 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32614 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Highlight important comments 15:33:53 <Joubu> If a comment has the "important" tag, the comment will be highlighted. No excuse to not read a comment 15:34:15 <Joubu> that will be useful for QAers, RM and RMaints. No need to read all the comments, the important ones should have the info you need to know! 15:34:18 <Joubu> that's all for me 15:34:35 <AgustinMoyano[m]> Joubu++ 15:34:45 <emlam> Joubu++ 15:34:59 <tuxayo> important tag is very nice, will avoid some issues we ran in the past 15:35:23 <tuxayo> #topic Actions from last meeting 15:35:53 <tuxayo> «cait add to RMaint documentation to run the test suite locally for security release» 15:35:53 <tuxayo> Done, if I recall correctly 15:36:00 <cait> yes 15:36:03 <cait> but can we add another? 15:36:09 <cait> we shoudl add the important tag to the wiki 15:36:16 <cait> it's a koha specific Bugzilla thing 15:36:39 <cait> and it hink we have another custom tag... obsolete? 15:36:56 <tuxayo> Like a category to some pages in the wiki? 15:37:23 <tuxayo> would having them listed as such in the homepage be enough? 15:39:28 <Joubu> I think cait wants to add a note about the 'important' tag, to the RMaint doc 15:39:57 <Joubu> we should move on 15:40:14 <tuxayo> ok 15:40:39 <tuxayo> I needed to find a link: 15:40:42 <Joubu> #action cait add info about the 'important' tag to RMaint documentation 15:40:42 <tuxayo> «Please reply to the mailing list about Forgejo/Gitea fork and what we should do» 15:40:43 <tuxayo> see and previous month for the begininng https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2023-February/thread.html 15:41:13 <tuxayo> «Guidelines for SQL - please provide feedback on the mailing list https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2023-January/048016.html» 15:41:22 <tuxayo> #action tcohen To schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release). 15:41:29 <tuxayo> #action tcohen To draft proposal for master→main change and draft of action list (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release). 15:41:38 <tuxayo> «oleonard ashimema Draft in the developer handbook how to form our modals. With template of a simple case and a case with form inside. Update: focus is currently on staff interface redesign changes, see the draft style guide: https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha-styleguide-draft (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release).» 15:41:51 <tuxayo> Anything new about the previous item? 15:41:54 <ashimema> sorry. was distrected 15:42:12 <ashimema> nope.. not managed to move that forward yet 15:42:23 <ashimema> but it's still on the list and is an open tab in my browser 15:42:32 <ashimema> https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha-styleguide-draft 15:42:36 <Joubu> IMO we should move to forgejo in a couple of months 15:42:37 <tuxayo> #action oleonard ashimema Draft in the developer handbook how to form our modals. With template of a simple case and a case with form inside. Update: focus is currently on staff interface redesign changes, see the draft style guide: https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha-styleguide-draft (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release). 15:42:48 <ashimema> would love some input on the questions etc there 15:42:59 <ashimema> forgejo would be good 15:43:08 <paulderscheid[m]> Is self-hosted imperative here? 15:43:12 <Joubu> yes 15:43:17 <Joubu> I think so 15:43:18 <paulderscheid[m]> Alright 15:43:26 <Joubu> it has always been 15:43:39 <Joubu> and we have a server already, there is nothing to do 15:43:45 <paulderscheid[m]> The forgejo ftw 15:43:51 <Joubu> *almost* nothing 15:43:53 <paulderscheid[m]> *Then 15:44:18 <Joubu> we need to vote that at some point however 15:44:21 <tuxayo> Migration from gitea to forgejo shouldn't be much trouble. Still some work for the person doing it. 15:45:04 <tuxayo> Has the dust settled enough on the fork between the two projects? 15:45:33 <cait> oh i got actioned... was htinking about the Bugzilla docs... but maybe both? 15:45:33 <Joubu> one is transparent, the other is not 15:46:29 <tuxayo> > was htinking about the Bugzilla docs 15:46:29 <tuxayo> So updating the wikipage about using bugzilla to mention the important tag? 15:47:08 <Joubu> #action Joubu we need to vote on forgejo move at some point 15:48:47 <tuxayo> People that haven't done it (including me) go to the koha-devel topic and give feedback on the proposal to moving to Gitlab, it's a completely different plan 15:49:19 <Joubu> it's not a proposal :D 15:49:40 <Joubu> It misses the "why" we would need to migrate to gitlab 15:50:03 <Joubu> we did change the git hosting to something more modern already few years ago 15:50:12 <Joubu> anyway, I don't have the energy for that right now :D 15:50:13 <tuxayo> Me too, there would be reasons but they are not mentioned in the discussion so I'm not sure why 15:50:23 <tuxayo> #info opinions needed to decide the future of our git hosting https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2023-February/thread.html 15:50:24 * ashimema runs off for the school run/parents evening 15:50:29 <tuxayo> moving on? 15:50:48 <tuxayo> #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 15:50:52 <tuxayo> «ACK pre vs post processing for background jobs » 15:50:59 <tuxayo> « Bug 32573 - background_jobs_worker.pl should ACK a message before it forks and runs the job suggests we should ACK of STOMP messages before we begin processing which would avoid the issue 30 minute time issue among other problems. It appears that the STOMP documentation and the RabbitMQ documentation do not agree. We should have a vote if needed.» 15:50:59 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32573 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to oldstable , background_jobs_worker.pl should ACK a message before it forks and runs the job 15:51:03 <Joubu> it's pushed 15:51:09 <tuxayo> lol 15:51:23 <tuxayo> good then ^^" 15:51:39 <khall_> indeed! 15:51:40 <thd> tcohen has updated test.wiki.koha-community.org to MediaWiki Canasta 1.22. I have not found any new bugs. People should look and remember that the test database is not current. 15:51:50 <tuxayo> Anything else to discussion before closing? 15:52:19 <oleonard> Anyone know what happened with Catalyst Academy? 15:52:28 <oleonard> They announced it but then I didn't hear anything more 15:53:00 <tuxayo> :o 15:53:21 <paulderscheid[m]> Server for penpot is already running, hadn't had the time to set it up, though. 15:53:46 <paulderscheid[m]> If anyone knows a way around unprivileged docker containers, hit me up. 15:53:56 <paulderscheid[m]> *his way around 15:54:24 <tuxayo> paulderscheid++ 15:55:07 <paulderscheid[m]> or her way, of course :D 15:55:19 <AgustinMoyano[m]> There is a rule in qa scripts that don't allow for backticks be used in js files 15:55:47 <AgustinMoyano[m]> That was reported in bug 24725 15:55:47 <huginn> 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24725 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, xgettext does not support (yet) ES template literals 15:55:55 <paulderscheid[m]> template literals much o.o 15:56:51 <AgustinMoyano[m]> To test if it works you can: 15:56:51 <AgustinMoyano[m]> git clone --depth 1 --branch import_source_vue git@gitlab.com:thekesolutions/Koha.git 15:57:08 <AgustinMoyano[m]> sorry 15:57:28 <AgustinMoyano[m]> https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha.git 15:57:32 <AgustinMoyano[m]> run qa where it will tell you that it has backticks 15:57:44 <AgustinMoyano[m]> and then run 15:57:44 <AgustinMoyano[m]> /kohadevbox/koha/misc/translator$ perl translate update es-ES 15:57:53 <AgustinMoyano[m]> you will see that it runs ok 15:57:55 <paulderscheid[m]> AFAIK support was added. Only doesn't work in JSX. 15:58:13 <paulderscheid[m]> AgustinMoyano[m]: Yes, that 15:59:08 <Joubu> AgustinMoyano[m]: let remove it and see if it causes troubles.. 16:00:10 <Joubu> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?50920 16:00:13 <Joubu> The fix is contained in gettext 0.20.2. 16:00:16 <AgustinMoyano[m]> Joubu: Ok, later I'll ask you how we cand do it 16:01:08 <Joubu> AgustinMoyano[m]: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/blob/master/QohA/File/JS.pm#L19 16:01:21 <Joubu> it's there, just remove check_ES_template_literals and related code from qa-test-tools 16:01:34 <AgustinMoyano[m]> great! 16:02:18 <tuxayo> Nice! so let's close? 16:02:45 <Joubu> yes 16:02:55 <Joubu> ktd is fixed, you can pull now! 16:02:57 <tuxayo> #topic Set time of next meeting 16:02:58 <tuxayo> #info Next meeting: 22 February 2023, 22 UTC 16:03:18 <tuxayo> As for next meeting on this timeslot: Thursday 9 march? Because March 8 (International Women's Day) is a public holiday in several countries according to Wikipedia. 16:03:18 <tuxayo> And as for France, I see on walls in Marseille calls for women to be on strike that day. And I know there will be big demonstrations open to anyone. 16:05:00 <paulderscheid[m]> LGTM 16:05:31 <tuxayo> #info for this time slot, next meeting is: 09 March 2023, 15 UTC 16:05:34 <tuxayo> #endmeeting